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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 8:36 pm 
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And then, when he refused to pay it, they jailed him over it? Wtf? Could they have, perhaps, sent him a bill in the mail after he'd gone home? (Not a dollar bill. Rather, a bill for the dollar.)


That would have sort of failed to serve the purpose of a bond, which is that you put it up against a possible eventuality, and if that eventuality comes to pass, you forfeit it. Of course, a jury wouldn't understand this, which is why this kind of equitable issue is decided by a judge in a sane court.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 8:41 pm 
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poutine wrote:
And then, when he refused to pay it, they jailed him over it? Wtf? Could they have, perhaps, sent him a bill in the mail after he'd gone home? (Not a dollar bill. Rather, a bill for the dollar.)


That would have sort of failed to serve the purpose of a bond, which is that you put it up against a possible eventuality, and if that eventuality comes to pass, you forfeit it. Of course, a jury wouldn't understand this, which is why this kind of equitable issue is decided by a judge in a sane court.


Isn't the purpose of a bond defeated the moment you set it at an absurdly low amount? This isn't like deciding to award a plaintiff in a civil case nominal damages. The "peace bond" had a purpose, supposedly. And when Jones defied that purpose, they threw him in jail. If it was so important to the state of Michigan, why was it one dollar?

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 9:33 pm 
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A Legal Lohengrin wrote:
poutine wrote:
And then, when he refused to pay it, they jailed him over it? Wtf? Could they have, perhaps, sent him a bill in the mail after he'd gone home? (Not a dollar bill. Rather, a bill for the dollar.)


That would have sort of failed to serve the purpose of a bond, which is that you put it up against a possible eventuality, and if that eventuality comes to pass, you forfeit it. Of course, a jury wouldn't understand this, which is why this kind of equitable issue is decided by a judge in a sane court.


Isn't the purpose of a bond defeated the moment you set it at an absurdly low amount?


Yes, obviously. In that event, a judge wouldn't set a bond. That's why equity is for judges. While it makes a certain amount of sense for a jury to give a dumb plaintiff $1 in damages, that purpose is not served in a case like this. Now, there is an appeals case over an arrest because of some jerk's refusal to pay $1.

That is not efficient, and the purpose of a bond is to discourage a foreseeable damage, and discourage it by basically forcing the foreseeable perp to cough up the damages in advance, then either not cause them or sacrifice the bond.

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This isn't like deciding to award a plaintiff in a civil case nominal damages. The "peace bond" had a purpose, supposedly. And when Jones defied that purpose, they threw him in jail. If it was so important to the state of Michigan, why was it one dollar?


As I have said at fairly great length, this is why this kind of thing should never have been put to a jury in the first place. It just gave Jones an opportunity to show off, be a douche, and cost taxpayers lots of money with an appeal to a higher court. If he was going to get to an appeals court, a JUDGE should have made the bond sizable. Not a jury that apparently had no clue whatsoever what the point of a bond is.

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Because there aren't nearly enough morons in this race.........

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Pastor Terry Jones, the man who infamously burned a copy of the Quran in honor of 9/11, is throwing his hat into the 2012 presidential race.


http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/news/s ... president-

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 8:59 am 
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Because there aren't nearly enough morons in this race.........

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Pastor Terry Jones, the man who infamously burned a copy of the Quran in honor of 9/11, is throwing his hat into the 2012 presidential race.


http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/news/s ... president-



Maybe we can see the church's finances. His church only has between 30 - 50 members. I'd like to see where the money for his church is coming from.

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Since Jones seems to echo all of the Teabaggers views he needs to be portrayed as THE face and voice of the conservative/Republican movement. That should scare moderates away for the next 40 years or so

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