Obama Breaks (NYTimes) Medical Marijuana Promise

Feds Set to Crack Down (faux news link, AP article) on California Pot Dispensaries

What EXACTLY is the point?

Does the admisitration really feel that it has to overcompensate for being, in Fox News and the right wings view, too liberal? Why continue another failed fight from the Bush DOJ? Leave the pot smokers alone, go after the real drug problem, the collusion between big pharma and insurance. I'm losing some faith in The President for his aversion to step on the toes of the social and economic conservatives. Healthcare reform was too little too late, he squandered a majority in both houses. Don't ask repeal was slow and half hearted and he failed to go after any of the crap Cheney rammed through. Obama may not lose for being too liberal, he may lose for not being liberal enough, IMO

That seriously sucks. I'm gonna make the thread title a little more clear.

What do they think, weed smokers don't vote?

JT8 and I post on that other forum where liberals and conservatives disagree about everything ...


... except this issue. On this issue we're all in agreement. End the War on Some Drugs.

It was one thing when they were just raiding transient growers' crops illegally planted in national parks. But now, by wasting resources to go after licensed, otherwise lawful dispensaries, the Obama administration is needlessly picking a fight with a lot of people who should be natural allies.

They had the policy right in the first place. Is there anyone left in the non-corporatist, non-Conservative segments of the population they haven't pissed off? What in the world is Holder smoking?

This makes me absolutely furious. All this money hammering sick people and those trying to help and not one damned dime to go after the high-level banksters that sucked 55 trillion dollars out of the world's economy.

Somebody recruit Elizabeth Warren for the dem presidency in '12.

She couldn't be any less dishonest than the current or last office holder.

I just read on HP “U.S. Drug Policy Would Be Imposed Globally By New House Bill”



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/0 ... 98993.html

Such absolute bullshit. I posted the following comment to the article:

“This country is in economic crisis and these legislators are still throwing money hand over fist down the drain, trillions and trillions over the last 40 years fighting this war on drugs. Where are the jobs?

They won’t legalize pot, a ready-made industry capable of producing millions of jobs and billions in tax revenue, but they will legalize domestic violence in Kansas and dwarf tossing in bars in Florida! What is wrong with these people?

Sign the petition on WhiteHouse.gov “legalize and regulate marijuana similar to alcohol” Petitions will be addressed that can get 5000 signatures in 30 days. This petition is 2 weeks old and already has 53,010 signatures.”

https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions#! ... l/y8l45gb1

I am saddened, enraged, and stunned at the idiocy of this policy. This seems to me to be the perfect issue - those in favor of it are extremely passionate in their support and those opposed mostly put their priority on other matters. I have no clue why the Obama administration would get on the wrong side of this - it makes no sense politically, economically, socially, or in any other way.

I'm with you JT - Warren in 2012!

Ms. Daisy,

I signed the petition (#53,056) and posted it on my Facebook page. Thanks for sharing it...

This really is a big loser of a policy. We do have to keep asking 'What's the point?' and 'Who is behind it?' Were no lessons learned from Prohibition? The feds have refused to recognize the therapeutic value of a cheap and easily obtained natural medicine. Why? Instead, they allow a synthetic of the main active ingredient to be prescribed and sold at a high price. Marinol just does not work as well.

As for the House bill criminalizing even talking about it in a foreign country, that is one of the most bizarre and futile bills ever proposed. The backers of this bill need to be ridiculed into never being able to show their faces again.

Well, the first article from John Thomas is 2 years old and says that feds won't prosicute medical maruana, Bot that obama will break his election promise like he said

The second has this little caviat..



It sounds to me like they are going after those premises that are illegal even under the new laws that are making maruajna legal. Which they should be.

I mean seriously, there cant be THAT many people in California in "chronic pain." As I like to say, if you are treating the law like an ass, dont be surprised if it starts kicking.

In this case it is clear that the failed law IS an ass - no one should be surprised when it gets treated as such. The only solution to it's kicking is to put the ass down - permanently.

Well, that's a different discussion, and one I'm not getting into as I have no interest in getting shouted (once again) at that the things I've seen with my own 2 eyes are lies. But what is clear Is that the places getting shut down are selling NON MEDICAL marijuana, which begs the question, how is this breaking President Obama's promise on MEDICAL mariajna?

The effect of these policies (and, for example, attacks on dispensaries in Michigan [where I live]) inevitably impacts the availability of marijuana to MEDICAL patients. Trying to enforce a bad law that has never worked and which has a tremendous social and economic cost on the back of, for instance, cancer patients is both stupid and hurtful. Given that I've seen how this impacts legitimate patients (some of whom are friends of mine) and have a friend who has experience in legitimate growing operations in both Michigan and California, I'm going to take the evidence of my eyes and ears as better than that of yours in this regard. It doesn't matter if marijuana is legal if it is unavailable and that is exactly what the current policies will do (intentionally or not).

I only shouted one word and you emphasized it first. If you wish to avoid passionate debate, I suggest that you don't jump into a discussion which people are obviously passionate about by attacking their position. Just sayin'...

Medical marijuana takes customers away from Big Pharm, and we can't have that. Duh!

I don't have a major opinion on marijuana -- I've actually never had any myself and don't know a ton about it. I suppose I prefer that it be completely legalized, my lack of knowledge notwithstanding.

Where I find THIS policy interesting is the possible context of the fed v. state battle re: the ACA. I don't know that there is a real context, but I do find it worth thinking about.

Listeme, not making a real point, just musing on a pretty Saturday afternoon

That is the only reason I can come up with for the way this issue is being handled. It's the only thing that makes sense.

Uh, I didn't mention you shouting a word, dude, I've no idea why you brought that up. And I just wanted to kill the "Obama breaking his campaign promise" line, which I've done. And I just wanted to avoid this particular passionate debate.

This is why I hate this particular issue. The defenders go from zero to frothing manics accusing the other guy of saying everything under the sun inside 6 seconds...

Maybe it had something to do with this:
Maybe he didn't break the letter of his promise (although I would argue differently), but he sure raped the spirit of that promise pretty thoroughly.I think we can score that as a fail... So you decided you'd get there first on the false accusations? So far you've accused me of raising an issue out of the blue that was an obvious response to one of your statements and now you've implicitly called me a frothing maniac who makes false accusations. If you really want to avoid a "passionate debate", maybe you'd better rethink what you are saying, because if this is you trying to avoid a fight, you suck at it.

Uh.. that's a stretch and a half



Uh what?



Ok, what the hell are you talking about?