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PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 5:40 pm 
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She said that the language explaining that the "first three digits" state code isn't necessarily accurate was added AFTER she discovered the Connecticut SSN.


Oh, so they wrote their area number disclaimer in response to the questions about Obama's SSN. Sure they did Sue.

According to the Internet Archive Wayback Machine that disclaimer was already on the page by March 2, 2001.

http://web.archive.org/web/200103021602 ... ocard.html

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She said that the language explaining that the "first three digits" state code isn't necessarily accurate was added AFTER she discovered the Connecticut SSN.


Oh, so they wrote their area number disclaimer in response to the questions about Obama's SSN. Sure they did Sue.

According to the Internet Archive Wayback Machine that disclaimer was already on the page by March 2, 2001.

http://web.archive.org/web/200103021602 ... ocard.html

Sweet Sue is misinformed continues to lie like a rug.

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I think the randomization of SSNs was only put into operation very recently - Wiki says June 2011 - my SSN was issued in 2010 and conforms with the old area code system.


My bad. I see that the 2007 year in the link I provided refers to when it was first published in the Federal Register, not when it was enacted.

Nonetheless, I'm sure the change was a direct response to Orly Taitz's and Susan Daniel's crack investigations. :lol:


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Ooo, great minds Eppy I was just doing the same thing and I've got it all the way back to 19 Feb 1999

http://web.archive.org/web/19990219083028/http://www.ssa.gov/history/geocard.html

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Logically, he's set the stage, he's built the legal foundation, and he's dismissed the case - with prejudice. Isn't serious punishment the only next step?


Yes. It is one thing to condone the kooky motion practice of a mentally incompetent pro se, which is essentially what Orly is in all her "practice," but entirely another to condone outright criminal behavior by Taitz and her flying monkeys. I can grouse about frivolous litigants not getting sanctioned often enough, but this is condoning crime. Someone should not be able to commit identity fraud and conspire to do the same, then boast about it in frivolous court filings with impunity.

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A Legal Lohengrin wrote:
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Logically, he's set the stage, he's built the legal foundation, and he's dismissed the case - with prejudice. Isn't serious punishment the only next step?


Yes. It is one thing to condone the kooky motion practice of a mentally incompetent pro se, which is essentially what Orly is in all her "practice," but entirely another to condone outright criminal behavior by Taitz and her flying monkeys. I can grouse about frivolous litigants not getting sanctioned often enough, but this is condoning crime. Someone should not be able to commit identity fraud and conspire to do the same, then boast about it in frivolous court filings with impunity.


^^^^ This.

But I'm not going to hold my breath for anything of consequence to happen to her or her flying monkeys.

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Logically, he's set the stage, he's built the legal foundation, and he's dismissed the case - with prejudice. Isn't serious punishment the only next step?


Yes. It is one thing to condone the kooky motion practice of a mentally incompetent pro se, which is essentially what Orly is in all her "practice," but entirely another to condone outright criminal behavior by Taitz and her flying monkeys. I can grouse about frivolous litigants not getting sanctioned often enough, but this is condoning crime. Someone should not be able to commit identity fraud and conspire to do the same, then boast about it in frivolous court filings with impunity.


^^^^ This.

But I'm not going to hold my breath for anything of consequence to happen to her or her flying monkeys.


I guess my point is that Judge Lamberth's hand has been forced by Orly Taitz. What judge with a resume like Lamberth's could possibly not take action?

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A Legal Lohengrin wrote:
Yes. It is one thing to condone the kooky motion practice of a mentally incompetent pro se, which is essentially what Orly is in all her "practice," but entirely another to condone outright criminal behavior by Taitz and her flying monkeys. I can grouse about frivolous litigants not getting sanctioned often enough, but this is condoning crime. Someone should not be able to commit identity fraud and conspire to do the same, then boast about it in frivolous court filings with impunity.

And then meet with the House Judiciary Chair's staffer, and use your illegally gained "evidence" as "proof" of nonexistent fraud.

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I guess my point is that Judge Lamberth's hand has been forced by Orly Taitz. What judge with a resume like Lamberth's could possibly not take action?

She has done dozens of things that deserved sanctions. Nobody sanctions her. I make no prediction. We'll see.

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I guess my point is that Judge Lamberth's hand has been forced by Orly Taitz. What judge with a resume like Lamberth's could possibly not take action?

She has done dozens of things that deserved sanctions. Nobody sanctions her. I make no prediction. We'll see.


Sad thing is that their [collective] refusal to take decisive action against Orly in a twisted way reinforces the birthers' premise of judicial incompetence.

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I guess my point is that Judge Lamberth's hand has been forced by Orly Taitz. What judge with a resume like Lamberth's could possibly not take action?

She has done dozens of things that deserved sanctions. Nobody sanctions her. I make no prediction. We'll see.

I'll make some predictions:
Patrick Nemeroff will submit a response to Orly's motion either this Friday or Monday at the latest. His response will note some of Orly's procedural deficiencies and he will address them in a Joe Friday type matter-of-fact style. There will be no request for sanctions from him. Judge Lamberth's decision will be made known by Sept 26.

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With orly, sanctions only *prove* how corrupt the judicial system is and how deep the conspiracy runs. She's convinced that President Obama is so scared that he will stop at nothing to silence her. Nothing the Court does will stop her. Even disbarment wouldn't faze her. In her paranoid, twisted mind, any punishment at all simply encourages her nonsense and convinces her that she's right and must soldier on. Perhaps the best thing the court system can do at this point is reject everything she brings forward with as little comment as possible. Treat her as a non-person. (the 9th circuit handled her perfectly, imhnalo)


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I wrote this in the Taitz v Fuddy thread. It seems just as applicable here today.
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Even after Orly's eventual disbarment, this is what 50 state court systems plus the feds have to look forward to.
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Plaintiff Dr. Orly Taitz, ESQ, Attorney [highlight]Pro Se[/highlight], President of the "Defend Our Freedoms" foundation

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/wp-content/ ... himura.pdf
Judges need to sanction her and declare her a vexatious litigator. Telling her to GTFOOMC isn't going to accomplish anything (except peace and quiet for one judge). My guess is she does not wish to return to the USDC for the Middle District of Georgia, ever.

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She said that the language explaining that the "first three digits" state code isn't necessarily accurate was added AFTER she discovered the Connecticut SSN.


Oh, so they wrote their area number disclaimer in response to the questions about Obama's SSN. Sure they did Sue.



and if Susan was half the investigator she claims to be, she could have researched that "message" and saw that it has been as the SSA's website since 2001
edit: 1999 by an earlier post

http://web.archive.org/web/200103021602 ... ocard.html

10 seconds of search and I found that the page was archived in 2001 on March 2 at 4:02:47 pm.



can anyone tell us if Obama was even considering running for office in 2001?

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I knew that trip to the server room in Redwood City would come in handy.

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I knew that trip to the server room in Redwood City would come in handy.

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=)) :-bd

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Joseph Robidoux III wrote:
I'll make some predictions:
Patrick Nemeroff will submit a response to Orly's motion either this Friday or Monday at the latest. His response will note some of Orly's procedural deficiencies and he will address them in a Joe Friday type matter-of-fact style. There will be no request for sanctions from him. Judge Lamberth's decision will be made known by Sept 26.


I think you're being a bit optimistic there - last year Orly filed two MTR in Taitz v Obama and Chief Judge Lambeth dismissed one after 52 days the other after 102 days. i suppose MTRs are so rarely granted that they don't rank high on judge's to do lists.

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kimba wrote:
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She said that the language explaining that the "first three digits" state code isn't necessarily accurate was added AFTER she discovered the Connecticut SSN.


Oh, so they wrote their area number disclaimer in response to the questions about Obama's SSN. Sure they did Sue.



and if Susan was half the investigator she claims to be, she could have researched that "message" and saw that it has been as the SSA's website since 2001
edit: 1999 by an earlier post

http://web.archive.org/web/200103021602 ... ocard.html

10 seconds of search and I found that the page was archived in 2001 on March 2 at 4:02:47 pm.



can anyone tell us if Obama was even considering running for office in 2001?


Whaddaya talking about Mr. D. Obama HAS been POTUS since whatever date the wingnuts decide the country has gone to hell. I mean as far as the wingnuts are concerned Obama passed TARP, if you listen to the Romney campaign Obama lost jobs from 2007 through 2009, if you listen to the wingnuts the entire 14 trillion deficit is the result of Obama. (And has nothing to do with republicans raising the deficit from Regan onwards), if you listen to the wingnuts everything that has ever gone wrong with this country since 1776 is the fault of Obama. Jeebus where have you been?

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can anyone tell us if Obama was even considering running for office in 2001?


I believe it came out during the primaries that he first contemplated a presidential run when he was in kindergarten. :P


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Joseph Robidoux III wrote:
I wrote this in the Taitz v Fuddy thread. It seems just as applicable here today.
Joseph Robidoux III wrote:
Even after Orly's eventual disbarment, this is what 50 state court systems plus the feds have to look forward to.
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Plaintiff Dr. Orly Taitz, ESQ, Attorney [highlight]Pro Se[/highlight], President of the "Defend Our Freedoms" foundation

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/wp-content/ ... himura.pdf
Judges need to sanction her and declare her a [highlight]vexatious litigator.[/highlight] Telling her to GTFOOMC isn't going to accomplish anything (except peace and quiet for one judge). My guess is she does not wish to return to the USDC for the Middle District of Georgia, ever.


Well, she certainly is a vexatious litigator. But she needs to be declared a vexatious litigant. And it will probably take many courts in many jurisdictions to make such a declaration before she is stopped.

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Well, she certainly is a vexatious litigator. But she needs to be declared a vexatious litigant. And it will probably take many courts in many jurisdictions to make such a declaration before she is stopped.


I will note that it took Anthony Robert Martin-Trigona, who now calls himself Andy Martin, over 250 federal lawsuits before his career of evil was halted in the federal courts. He has accumulated other such vexatious litigant awards in states such as New York, generally after comparable exploits.

Orly isn't within an order of magnitude of Martin-Trigona's misconduct. We may be stuck with the Chaleria for some time, at least unless she gets busted for her identity theft. (Any. Day. Now. NOT!)

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I knew that trip to the server room in Redwood City would come in handy.

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Whereever you took that, some one is slipping. By IT standards there should be hundreds of different colored wires running all over the room like a snake pit. Half of them don't hook up to anything (actually old dead not used any more crap) :D :D

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According to the Internet Archive Wayback Machine that disclaimer was already on the page by March 2, 2001.

http://web.archive.org/web/200103021602 ... ocard.html

Sweet Sue is misinformed.


That's a BEAUTIFUL find, Epec! Good job, man :)

Edit: Edited to add: And Kimba!! (for the 1999)

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But I'm not going to hold my breath for anything of consequence to happen to her or her flying monkeys.


Sadly, I'm feeling the same way - she's just gotten away with so much for so long I no longer believe anyone will ever do anything. It's to the point where I find predictions that "this" will be the time she "really" gets it are depressing because they sound SO much like the birther predictions that "this" will be the time that Obama "really" gets it. :(

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