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The Washington Memorial Monument is broken. Cracks were found in the structure near the top where the thing narrows. Closed until further inspection. Dang, imagine if the tip of the Washington Memorial Monument had broken off! That would have put all the other lame tipped over stuff pictures to shame. I was in the car and didn't feel it, but a 5.9 is a 5.9 and Californians should realize the construction out here is not the same as it is back home, stuff's gonna break, especially stone and brick stuff.


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I was looking around last night to see what I could find about my earlier theory this had something to do with fracking and i found this. I had a small panic attack after I read it, imagining the earth's crust crust to be fractured and crumbling . Here, you panic now. Or tell me he's an alarmist. He lives in New Zealand now, where they have just started fracking.

From what I have read, the effect on groundwater may be greater than any geological effect. I believe that geologists agree with this, but that may change. It may also be possible to drill and extract by fracking without any harm to our water supplies. However, this was why I favored nuclear power over natural gas as a moderate-term solution until renewables are fully practical. Some of the current experiences with fracking are rather horrifying.


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National Zoo Animals React to the Earthquake

The vibrations from yesterday’s 5.8 earthquake were keenly felt at the Smithsonian’s National Zoological Park; all animals, staff and visitors were safe and no injuries were reported. Zoo buildings were closed to the public and checked by safety personnel for structural damage. Zoo gates were closed to incoming visitors but exits were open for guests to leave at their leisure. The Zoo reopened this morning on time.

Animal care staff recognized changes in animal behavior.

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* The earthquake hit the Great Ape House and Think Tank Exhibit during afternoon feeding time.
* About five to ten seconds before the quake, many of the apes, including Kyle (an orangutan) and Kojo (a Western lowland gorilla), abandoned their food and climbed to the top of the tree-like structure in the exhibit.
* About three seconds before the quake, Mandara (a gorilla) let out a shriek and collected her baby, Kibibi, and moved to the top of the tree structure as well.
* Iris (an orangutan) began “belch vocalizing”—an unhappy/upset noise normally reserved for extreme irritation—before the quake and continued this vocalization following the quake.



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http://nationalzoo.si.edu/SCBI/AnimalCa ... hquake.cfm


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* Iris (an orangutan) began “belch vocalizing”—an unhappy/upset noise normally reserved for extreme irritation—before the quake and continued this vocalization following the quake.[/indent]


Yes ... I had to resist the urge to "fart vocalize" during the earthquake, for fear that it would soon turn into "poop vocalizing."

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On a more serious note...

I think the US of A got very lucky. There could have been a great deal of damage to infrastructure from this unexpected event. THIS is yet another reason that the silly balanced budget amendment the nutters like to tout is just plain stupid.

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BFB. =)) =)) =))

Filly, we simply cannot let the KnowNothings win again. I don't have any in my immediate vicinity, thank doG, but I will do what I can to get David Dreier out of DC, out of California and back to his mid-west family business.

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Another blogger believes the quake might have been caused by hydrofracking.

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The Rocky Mountain Arsenal deep injection well was constructed in 1961, and was drilled to a depth of 12,045 feet. The well was cased and sealed to a depth of 11,975 feet, with the remaining 70 feet left as an open hole for the injection of Basin F liquids. For testing purposes, the well was injected with approximately 568,000 gallons of city water prior to injecting any waste. However, when the Basin F liquids were actually introduced, the process required more time than anticipated to complete because of the impermeability of the rock. The end result was approximately 165 million gallons of Basin F liquid waste being injected into the well during the period from 1962 through 1966. [...]

The injected fluids had very little potential for reaching the surface or useable groundwater supply since the injection point had 11,900 feet of rock above it and was sealed at the opening. The Army discontinued use of the well in Feb. 1966 because of the possibility that the fluid injection was triggering earthquakes in the area. The well remained unused for nearly 20 years.



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http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2011/8/24/121516/304

I had never heard of a connection between hydrofracking and earthquakes before.

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I'd be interested to hear what a certain member here, who has a degree in petroleum engineering, has to say about this fracking theory. :- As disturbing and problematic as fracking is, I dunno. The seismologists I saw on tee vee yesterday did not seem very surprised by this quake. But I think it's a good discussion.

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Srsly? She named her baby "Kibibi"?? #-o

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They've been fracking for almost 60 years. The recent addition of salt water and heavy metals to make the liquid "slick", they believe, is the culprit more than fracking itself. The data shows that the incidents are much more recent, soon after "slick" fracking began,

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I'd be interested to hear what a certain member here, who has a degree in petroleum engineering, has to say about this fracking theory. :- As disturbing and problematic as fracking is, I dunno. The seismologists I saw on tee vee yesterday did not seem very surprised by this quake. But I think it's a good discussion.


That would be very gneiss! :P

ETA: i think i made a mistake. still... it would be.

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Srsly? She named her baby "Kibibi"?? #-o


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Phrase of the Day: Slick Fracking.

I'm not one of them there high-falootin' petroleum engineers, but I'll throw my two cents in as a chemical engineer: The earth is always moving everywhere. It moves more frequently around active fault lines, but earthquakes are possible anywhere. One of the UC Berkeley ( 8> ) seismologist I heard interviewed yesterday didn't sound too wee-wee'd up about yesterday's quake. I think it's worth further investigation though if more frequent earthquakes occur soon after slick fracking begins in an area and subside when the slick fracking ceases. I'm wondering if that's based on real data or anecdotal accounts. It seems so "Ocean's 13" ish.


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A little bit of research (more by NPR than me shows that there are absolutely no hydrofracking wells in Virginia. Between that and the absence of the kind of small precursor quakes that have been associated with every other known or suspected case where fluid injection has contributed to quakes, I think it's reasonable to say that hydrofracking almost certainly had nothing to do with yesterday's quake. (Whether or not hydrofracking can cause quakes at all is a separate question, and one that yesterday's quake can't really help answer one way or another.)

While yesterday's event was a rare one in human timeframes, it's not an uncommon event in geological terms. There have been other quakes on the Atlantic Coastal Plain in the past. At least one, in South Carolina in 1886, was larger and more damaging. Seismologists aren't getting freaked out over this quake because there's almost certainly nothing to get freaked out about.

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A little bit of research (more by NPR than me shows that there are absolutely no hydrofracking wells in Virginia. Between that and the absence of the kind of small precursor quakes that have been associated with every other known or suspected case where fluid injection has contributed to quakes, I think it's reasonable to say that hydrofracking almost certainly had nothing to do with yesterday's quake. (Whether or not hydrofracking can cause quakes at all is a separate question, and one that yesterday's quake can't really help answer one way or another.)

While yesterday's event was a rare one in human timeframes, it's not an uncommon event in geological terms. There have been other quakes on the Atlantic Coastal Plain in the past. At least one, in South Carolina in 1886, was larger and more damaging. Seismologists aren't getting freaked out over this quake because there's almost certainly nothing to get freaked out about.


Tell that to the folks whose pink flamingos were tipped over. And the lawn furniture was just everywhere. -xx

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Another blogger believes the quake might have been caused by hydrofracking.

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The Rocky Mountain Arsenal deep injection well was constructed in 1961, and was drilled to a depth of 12,045 feet. The well was cased and sealed to a depth of 11,975 feet, with the remaining 70 feet left as an open hole for the injection of Basin F liquids. For testing purposes, the well was injected with approximately 568,000 gallons of city water prior to injecting any waste. However, when the Basin F liquids were actually introduced, the process required more time than anticipated to complete because of the impermeability of the rock. The end result was approximately 165 million gallons of Basin F liquid waste being injected into the well during the period from 1962 through 1966. [...]

The injected fluids had very little potential for reaching the surface or useable groundwater supply since the injection point had 11,900 feet of rock above it and was sealed at the opening. The Army discontinued use of the well in Feb. 1966 because of the possibility that the fluid injection was triggering earthquakes in the area. The well remained unused for nearly 20 years.



more here:
http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2011/8/24/121516/304

I had never heard of a connection between hydrofracking and earthquakes before.


By the way, does anyone know what was in 'Basin F' or what was manufactured there by the US Army and Shell and others...It sure a hell isn't fracking fluid. I was stationed at Fitzsimons AMC in the early 90's. RMA was just northwest of the hospital. We used to use it (only limited parts of it) for field exercise training. It also had a storage warehouse for Fitz and had tents/etc to expand Fitz on a moment's notice to a 1200 bed hospital.

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A little bit of research (more by NPR than me shows that there are absolutely no hydrofracking wells in Virginia. Between that and the absence of the kind of small precursor quakes that have been associated with every other known or suspected case where fluid injection has contributed to quakes, I think it's reasonable to say that hydrofracking almost certainly had nothing to do with yesterday's quake. (Whether or not hydrofracking can cause quakes at all is a separate question, and one that yesterday's quake can't really help answer one way or another.)

While yesterday's event was a rare one in human timeframes, it's not an uncommon event in geological terms. There have been other quakes on the Atlantic Coastal Plain in the past. At least one, in South Carolina in 1886, was larger and more damaging. Seismologists aren't getting freaked out over this quake because there's almost certainly nothing to get freaked out about.


Tell that to the folks whose pink flamingos were tipped over. And the lawn furniture was just everywhere. -xx


If we're not careful, that might turn into the rallying cry of a new mass movement*:

"SAVE THE PINK FLAMINGOS!! END FRACKING NOW!!!"

"WHAT DO WE WANT!?!
STABLE KITSCH!
WHEN DO WE WANT IT!?!
NOW!!!!"




*By "mass movement", I mean a 4 usurpathon minimum.

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Was driving to the store to get milk one morning a month or so back. Drove by a house that had about two dozen plastic pink flamingos in the yard along with a sign reading, "You've Been Flocked!!"

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Was driving to the store to get milk one morning a month or so back. Drove by a house that had about two dozen plastic pink flamingos in the yard along with a sign reading, "You've Been Flocked!!"

That is an autumn ritual for our local high school students. One never knows whose house will be flocked. The whole town enjoys it.

It is somewhat like the European habit of collecting garden gnomes from about the town and assembling them in a forest glen. Everybody has a little fun, and most gnomes make it home safely.

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The best earthquake tweets

By Dylan Matthews

As you’re probably aware, D.C. was rocked by a 5.9 earthquake: just serious enough that many evacuated buildings, but not serious enough to keep people from cracking jokes about it on Twitter. Here are some of the better ones:

@pareene: “I think Chris Christie just jumped into the race.”

@robdelaney: “Did anyone I have a crush on’s husband or boyfriend die in the earthquake? DM me.”

@ModeledBehavior: “More and more scientists are questioning whether that was a real quake. It is a theory that’s out there.”

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I suppose it's fun for those not involved to make fun of those who experienced a 5.9 (or 6.0 depending on which reports are to be believed) quake, and it was basically the first quake of any import they'd seen.

I doubt, for example, a friend of mine there whose damage to his home has been estimated at 250k (and that's without the structural engineer's report, which has not been submitted yet) thinks it's too funny.

Luckily no one was home nor injured.

The neighborhood/area in which he lives was hard-hit.

Why those sorts of things have not been reported, I don't know, but perhaps they will be as the situation is further assessed.

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I've not heard of damage. And most of those tweets were from people who are in DC. So yeah, I guess it's how they dealt with it.

I'm so sorry for anybody who experienced damage from it.

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I suppose it's fun for those not involved to make fun of those who experienced a 5.9 (or 6.0 depending on which reports are to be believed) quake, and it was basically the first quake of any import they'd seen.

I doubt, for example, a friend of mine there whose damage to his home has been estimated at 250k (and that's without the structural engineer's report, which has not been submitted yet) thinks it's too funny.

Luckily no one was home nor injured.

The neighborhood/area in which he lives was hard-hit.

Why those sorts of things have not been reported, I don't know, but perhaps they will be as the situation is further assessed.



It is damage you don't see - my house went through several EQ on the Pac NW...It has cracks in some areas - does anyone have the "special" earthquake insurance" or are you going to depend on FEMA?

I know my policy does not normally cover earthquakes. I have to get a special policy for that, like flood insurance.

:?: For those of you interested, check your homeowner's policy and see if it covers earthquake damage or if you are going to be another one lined up at the FEMA office. :!:

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damage to his home has been estimated at 250k


That's a story for the network news! He can't be the only one, I wonder why they're not report these stories.


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That's a story for the network news! He can't be the only one, I wonder why they're not report these stories.


I have no idea, kimba. Was wondering myself.

His entire neighborhood was hard hit.

Oh, and he does have earthquake insurance... go figger! :P

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