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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 7:50 pm 
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This is awful, I cannot believe in the land of queues and afternoon tea this is happening. I know most of our Brit (residing) folks are in the North but it appears that the riots may be growing to outside of London (Birmingham, Bristol) I am following the BBC live feed.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14449675

What these looters and arsonists fail to realize that most stores on high streets like this have flats above them, with people living in them, this picture is truly horrifying.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-storie ... -23330390/

Everyone in the UK please stay safe. I have no idea where this thing is going.

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I have a young (14?) cousin who lives near Tottenham. He's a bit of an emo, but this whole thing is really most upsetting for him. Stores are burning and another chap is dead. Sounds very nasty.

Be safe, all.



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 7:59 pm 
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I'm sorry, Britty, this is so awful.

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BBC News interview with protester claiming to be eyewitness of police beating of 16-year-old girl


This purports to be a video of that beating. YouTube will question whether you wish to view it.
http://www.youtube.com/verify_controversy?next_url=http%3A//www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DRjT68msxvX4%26feature%3Drelated

America has had its own horrible experiences, including the "shoot-out in Cleveland," July 23, 1968. Officers and civilians were killed, and a perpetrator was executed. One of the reports was authored by Louis H. Massoti and Jerome R. Corsi for the National Commission on the Causes and Prevention of Violence.

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Here is an interactive map of riot locations.

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Sign on a subway in Manchester

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My young cousin lives in Bexley, just east of Greenwich. The Greenwich area seems to be pretty hard hit.


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This is why I love my fellow countrymen and women. This is the blitz spirit alive and well. I am so proud.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... an-up.html

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It was heartening to see the local police here in Manchester knocking some sense into the punks downtown. We live about 2 miles from city centre and heard the sirens and copters all night. One punk saw his photo posted online (during looting) and decided to turn himself in before the police came to his door. The cops here in Manchester are being a LOT more proactive.

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London Evening Standard April 29, 2009 "Crunch may lead to riots on street, claims Hazel Blears"
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The recession could spark a re-run of the Brixton riots unless the Government moves quickly to fund community projects, Cabinet minister Hazel Blears {Labour Party} will warn today.

The Communities Secretary was set to use a speech in London to declare that the country could descend into civil disorder, with burning cars and buildings, if action was not taken to combat the worst effects of the downturn.

Promising to come up with sources of funds by the summer, Ms Blears will say the economic downturn could either drive communities apart or bring them closer together.

The U.S. learned a hard lesson in the late 1960's: the forceful suppression of riots does not prevent riots. LBJ formed the National Commission on the Causes and Prevention of Violence with a mandate to report quickly. Its final report was titled To establish justice, to insure domestic tranquility. The United Kingdom may need a similar inquiry.

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Thirty years after the report of the National Commission was released, the Milton Eisenhower Foundation sponsored a review of the recommendations of the Commission, the present state of justice and domestic tranquility in the U.S., and what seems not to have worked and what did work. "What doesn't work particularly well includes prison building, bootcamps, "zero tolerance" policing, the "war on drugs," supply side tax breaks for the rich, Enterprise Zones and the Job Training Partnership Act for high school dropouts."

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What works, based on scientific evaluation? Leading examples include Head Start preschool, safe havens after school, the public School Development Plan of Professor James Comer at Yale University, full service community schools in which nonprofit organizations partner with individual inner-city schools, the Ford Foundation's Quantum Opportunities Program to keep inner-city youth in high school and "training first" (not "work first") job preparation for out-of-school youth modeled after the Argus Community in the South Bronx. All of these successes reduce crime. All also improve educational performance and develop youth in positive directions. Most also reduce drug involvement and improve employability. All have been successfully replicated.

Other examples of what works include YouthBuild USA, in which dropouts rehab housing; nonprofit community development corporations, modeled after Robert Kennedy's Mobilization for Youth, to generate inner city jobs; community-based banking to generate inner-city capital; problem oriented,
community-equity policing in which young minority officers mentor youth; diversion of nonviolent offenders from prison to treatment as begun by the State of Arizona; proven high quality drug treatment in the community closely integrated with local drug courts; the Delancey Street model in San Francisco for self-sufficiently reintegrating ex-offenders back into the community; and in-prison drug treatment like Delaware's Key Program.

Together, these existing successes simultaneously reduce crime and fear, improve education, increase employment and economically develop the community. Replicated to scale by knowledgeable leaders, what we already know to work can create a comprehensive, interdependent, national urban
and criminal justice policy that simultaneously establishes justice and insures domestic tranquility. Such investment needs to be supported by a national economic policy that gives first priority to eliminating child poverty and creating full employment for all, including, especially, the hard-to employ
in the inner city and pockets of rural poverty.

The United Kingdom may find that the causes of the riots are unlike those that America experienced in the late 1960s and thus that the solutions that (partly) work here are irrelevant there. The important thing is that it ask such questions. The answer is almost certainly not to be found in better-equipped and better-trained police, water cannons, tear gas, and rubber bullets. Those tactics stop riots; they do not prevent riots.

Perhaps something can be learned from the policing of one of the most notorious favelas of Latin America: the City of God in Rio de Janeiro.
http://video.nytimes.com/video/2010/10/ ... f-god.html

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:00 pm 
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Had Jerome Corsi not thoroughly disqualified himself by writing lies for the past decade he could actually have engaged meaningfully in this debate.

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Have been a bit snowed under with work, so late to this read too.

Everything fine up here apart from Biblical rain flooding what passes for my garden.

BBC reports

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Scottish police to aid disorder efforts

Police from Scotland are being sent to England to help combat riots and disorder in cities across the country.

A total of 250 riot-trained officers have been sent as part of the mutual aid scheme between the countries.

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The first minister said meetings had taken place in Scotland to assess how to deal with any problems if they arose in Scotland, but added that he thought it was unhelpful to portray events as UK riots.

Scotland Office minister David Mundell said Mr Salmond's tone was "unhelpful" and he accused the first minister of "trying to make political capital out of a terrible situation".


Alex Salmond is an ass.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 4:27 pm 
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Sterngard Friegen wrote:
Had Jerome Corsi not thoroughly disqualified himself by writing lies for the past decade he could actually have engaged meaningfully in this debate.

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Yes. Although Corsi was listed as the second author on that 1969 report to the National Commission, he did make a distinct research and intellectual contribution; otherwise he would have been relegated to the footnotes. At that time he was a recent (1968) B.A. graduate of Case Western Reserve.

He went from there to his Harvard dissertation, which he completed quite rapidly (1972). As with almost everybody at Harvard, his advisers were leaders in their field. He worked with Michael Walzer and Arthur Sutherland on what Harvard Magazine described as a "nuanced" piece of writing. He expressed thanks to Paul Freund and Lawrence Tribe. The dissertation, “Prior Restraint, Prior Punishment, and Political Dissent: A Moral and Legal Evaluation,” explored "the question of the extent to which we can legitimately demand that the liberal state tolerate internal political activism.” He was writing after witnessing the horrors of 1968 and the Kent State murders of 1970.
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Having examined court opinions in a variety of situations, Corsi found little support for limits on association (mandating disclosure of group membership, for example), for investigations of political activists, or for any but the most careful uses of injunctions and temporary restraining orders—and no usage consistent with political freedom for preventive detention as “either the exception or the rule.”

He had all the makings of an academic political scientist and might have attained distinction in that field. I cannot tell (yet) what he did between 1972 and his appearance in finance and banking in 1981, except for a 1974 report for the Lemberg Center at Brandeis. Perhaps by then he had become "a crackpot, a boor, and a bigot" as described by Hendrik Hertzberg in 2003.

Corsi interests me to the extent that I am working on trying to understand him better. There is some missing piece of his story that may explain who he is today. In the meantime, we have often referred to "apoplexy" with regard to Corsi. That may or may not be the case, but it was in fact hereditary eczema that disqualified him from military service. That might be what we see in his face today.

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Pat Condell on Britain is a riot

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