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Anders Behring Breivik, the 32-year-old suspect in Friday's attacks in Norway, held right-wing views, say police.

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Police chief Sveinung Sponheim said his internet postings "suggest that he has some political traits directed toward the right, and anti-Muslim views".

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On the Facebook page attributed to him, he describes himself as a Christian and a conservative. The Facebook page is no longer available but it also listed interests such as body-building and freemasonry.

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The Norwegian newspaper Verdens Gang quoted a friend as saying that the suspect turned to right-wing extremism when in his late 20s. The paper also said that he participated in online forums expressing strong nationalistic views.

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There is never ever ever any excuse for this kind of thing. It’s a horrible atrocity committed by a seriously disturbed individual.

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"The blonde, blue-eyed terror suspect in Oslo"
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Anders Behring Breivik is the name of the Norwegian man being held by Norwegian authorities as a suspect in the horrific slaughter of children at a summer camp, and the bombing of central Oslo. Brevik is being identified as "right wing," "Christian," and "conservative" -- much as Tucson shooting suspect Jared Loughner was presumed to be a Sarah Palin acolyte driven to murder by the sight of a bulls eye on a map over a year ago. We shall see if Breivik is as insane as the acts he is purported to have carried out. But for the moment, the left has its fondest desire realized: someone they can brand as a Christian terrorist, proving that Islamofascism is no worse than Christianity.

After initially urging caution in presuming it was Islamic terrorists at the root of the mayhem, when reports came in of Islamic groups claiming credit, we noted that Norway has pursued anti-Israel policies, and that anti-Israel boycotts are popular among certain groups in Norway. I remain skeptical about Brevik, just as I remain skeptical of the narrative that Timothy McVeigh was a "right wing Christian" terrorist. (See Jayna Davis's extraordinary work debunking the official narrative of McVeigh, a cover-up of dismaying effectiveness in this country.)

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Breivik may have been publishing on anti-Islamic sites under the name Fjordman. Pamela Geller denies that the two are the same person and notes that Fjordman was posting last night. Of course, anyone could take up the name of Fjordman. However, she also claims to have met Fjordman. I would not believe her claims about other facts, so I am disinclined to believe this assertion.

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According to his own statements, Anders Behring Breivik previously operated the blog ‘Fjordman’, and later wrote for many years under the pseudonym Fjordman for the anti-Muslim and Zionist blogs Gates of Vienna and Jihad Watch.

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The Voice of America has this headline: Norway Police Investigating Possible Second Gunman in Mass Killings, but the short piece doesn't say anything else about it.

I still don't understand how one shooter physically could have shot that many people, up to 91 deaths this morning, though some would have been of drowning [plus bombing]. If this headline report is accurate, maybe it will be explained.

The shootings feel somehow worse than the bombings. It's just heart-breaking to contemplate the whole scene.

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On NPR this morning they interviewed an official from Norway, who said the maximum sentence there is 21 years. He was not asked, and did not offer up, what the legal process would be like if this man is found legally insane.

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Sorry for the additional downer, but the reich-wing hate media in this country jumped all over this (with no retractions so far) calling this another "jihad" event.

Makes me physically ill.

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I still don't understand how one shooter physically could have shot that many people


Don't underestimate the element of surprise. And maybe high capacity magazines. Especially when no one else around has a gun and the police are the ones who called a boat for you to take you to an island where there were no police.


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Yeah, I've never even seen a gun in my whole life that wasn't on a cop's hip, so I can take your word it could have happened, Kimba. Thanks.

The Atlantic has a profile this morning with this brief mention of the possible second suspect.

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It is also unknown whether he had accomplices. Norwegian daily VG has interviewed witnesses of the Utøya shooting who believe there was a second gunman. According to Norwegian media sources, a second man was arrested who had a knife on him. Guardian translates that when asked by reporters why he was armed, the man said, "because there are so many weird people here. I do not trust anyone. " He had dark hair and smiled as he was led into the police car, according to TV2.

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Google Translate has compiled all comments that someone using the name Anders Behring Breivik left at Document.no. The translation suffers from the usual flaws of Google Translate.

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This guy wasn't on the island when arrested, as I thought earlier. Doesn't sound like much to it.

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Norwegian police detained a man outside a hotel where Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg was visiting Labour Party youths who escaped from the nearby island where 84 people were gunned down.


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This photo of the second guy arrested is from a detailed summary in The Sun.

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Can't copy from the translated document, but he seems to have the same control Issues as our right wing Nutters.

He can't understand why the people he's writing to don't grok his awesomeness and adopt his plans for them.

He thinks that conservatives= moderates who have been angered. Kind of like here, a conservative is a liberal who has been robbed. So, conservatism is for anger. I must say, I kind of agree. :mrgreen:

Bastard. Let him spend his jail time in the Muslim wing, please.

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This is supposed to be the shooter, as he looks now, from the Daily Mail.

Sorry, Ms Daisy.

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Slap that smirk off his face.

Bastard.

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Harrowing eye witness report from survivor - Sky News.

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There is never ever ever any excuse for this kind of thing. It’s a horrible atrocity committed by a seriously disturbed individual.

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I have to agree. I was thinking of a fairy tale prince as well when I saw his picture. You can see the madness of Jared Loughner. The packaging seems very wrong here. He looks like the hero, not the mad, sadistic villain. This was clearly planned over a long period of time to do as much damage as possible to a specific group of people...the future leaders of the party in power.

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That picture from Facebook looks like something that might have been made with Poser. That software makes it pretty easy to create photo-realistic characters:
http://poser.smithmicro.com/

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"People ran everywhere. They panicked and climbed into trees. People got trampled," Kursetgjerde told Reuters outside a hotel in the town of Sundvollen, near the forested island.

The killer, dressed as a policeman, "would tell people to come over: 'It's OK, you're safe, we're coming to help you.' And then I saw about 20 people come toward him and he shot them at close range," he said. ...

"This lasted for hours," Foreign Minister Jonas Gahr Stoere told a news conference, describing the killings on the island northwest of Oslo where about 600 young people had gathered. ...

"I saw he had a handgun," Thorbjoern Vereive, 22, told Reuters. "Some people said he also had something that looked like a rifle."

"When I swam out into the water he shot all my friends. He shot them when they were running away. I hid in a cave and had to lie in the water. There were people hiding in the cave and he tried to lure people out by saying, 'It's safe, come out.'"

"He picked them out, one by one. He was mostly silent. It looked like it didn't bother him."


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The Voice of America has this headline: Norway Police Investigating Possible Second Gunman in Mass Killings, but the short piece doesn't say anything else about it.

I still don't understand how one shooter physically could have shot that many people, up to 91 deaths this morning, though some would have been of drowning. If this headline report is accurate, maybe it will be explained.

The shootings feel somehow worse than the bombings. It's just heart-breaking to contemplate the whole scene.

Survivor accounts do say that "shots were coming from everywhere," but the kids may have been hearing echoes. There is also one survivor account of seeing a second gunman. The gunman fired for 90 minutes.

I wonder if a systematic study of mass murders committed by one person might show a strong tendency to attack children. Ignoring school shootings in which the shooter(s) were themselves students, do "rampage killers" tend to strike out where they know they will cause the greatest pain to a society? A fundamental human instinct is to protect children even if they are not our genetic heirs. It is not so much that they are more vulnerable than adults; it is that they are dearer to all of us. The murders on the island may seem far worse than the bombings in central Oslo not only because of the massive number of children killed but also because we collectively let down our children by failing to perform the basic human duty to a child. This guilt and pain would be acute the nearer one is to the children of Utøya Island.

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Whether Breivik and "Fjordman" are the same person is still being disputed, including by someone calling himself/herself "Fjordman." However, there is much in the writings of Fjordman that is consistent with the actions of Breivik. Emphasis mine.
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This also implies that for the first time in centuries we are the underdogs. There are many historical examples, from the Persian invasions of ancient times to the Muslim invasions later, where Europeans have performed at our best when we have been the underdogs. Perhaps we can do the same once the Multicultural madness retreats. We need to make sure, though, that those who have championed the toxic ideas of Multiculturalism and mass immigration of alien tribes disappear with it. If that happens, we can give our descendants a fresh start and lay the foundations for a new Renaissance, where European civilization can flourish once more.


Edit: It is becoming clearer that Breivik and Fjordman are different people. Breivik argues with Fjordman in www.document.no. [Norton blocks access to that site.]

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Wow. Take away the receding airline and he looks very, very much like my ex.... Who is also Norwegian.

Does anyone else find it weird that it appears he had no friends on his Facebook page and no followers on his twitter?

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Wow. Take away the receding airline and he looks very, very much like my ex.... Who is also Norwegian.

Does anyone else find it weird that it appears he had no friends on his Facebook page and no followers on his twitter?



The reports said that he just signed up the day before the rampage. He only made one tweet.

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This is supposed to be the shooter, as he looks now, from the Daily Mail.

Sorry, Ms Daisy.

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Adelante wrote:
This is supposed to be the shooter, as he looks now, from the Daily Mail.

Sorry, Ms Daisy.

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Oh THANK Gawd.


That is some outfit. The shiny sky blue accoutrements really make quite a statement though perhaps marred by the pen in his suit pocket, no?

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That is some outfit. The shiny sky blue accoutrements really make quite a statement though perhaps marred by the pen in his suit pocket, no?


What? No pocket protector? :lol:

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