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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:40 pm 
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So the "Birther Summit" is an actual entity now, making "statements?"

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Oliver Douglas wrote:
So the "Birther Summit" is an actual entity now, making "statements?"

1. Welcome to Fogbow.

2. It's an entity and so much more. Yesterday they issued a press release about "Unity and Support" in which they declared there's no unity and no support for anyone who dares to sue or disagree with APOT (American Patriot Orly Taitz).

They said "While individuals are entitled to their personal opinions about anybody, we, as a movement, recognize [Orly, Mario and Leo] as American patriots who continue to fight tirelessly for the cause of justice ..."

So they're a movement. And they have taken charge of the entire "eligibility movement," deciding who is, and who ain't, welcome to participate:
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... the Birther Summit would certainly welcome [Phil and the Kreep] back into the eligibility movement ... [if they stop suing Orly and become good little Vattelites] ...

The Birther Summit is not merely an upcoming event, it is a call to action—it is an opportunity for your voice to be heard after being ignored for so long.

Actually, Oliver, your voice can be heard here, too. The only reason we ignored you for so long is you only joined us last night, pilgrim. :lol:

So there you have it. The Birther Summit is:

  • a movement, and
  • the final arbiter of who is a member of the birther movement, and
  • an upcoming event, and
  • a call to action, and
  • an opportunity for your voice to be heard after being ignored for so long, and
  • is basically one guy, Dean Haskins.

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Foggy wrote:
... there's no unity and no support for anyone who dares to sue or disagree with APOT (American Patriot Orly Taitz).

To which APOT responded "Zhe idea uff a Birfer Sonnet iss good enuff, but I myself cannot do it because I am too important and much too bissy pursuink eligibility emergency."

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...is basically one guy, Dean Haskins.

Who I predict will be just as effective at organizing a rally of thousands on Washington as he was at reporting the witnessing of a felony crime.

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Does anyone else think of ice cream when they read the name Dean Haskins?

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What is the motif for the Birther Summit?

Is this another attempt to "go viral"?

Are more irrelevant dossies going to be Interdumped?

Inquiring minds need to know!

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Instead of Washington DC, the Birther Summit should be held August 27, 2012, in Tampa, Florida at the St. Pete Times Forum. I bet they could get tens of thousands -- maybe hundreds of thousands -- of anti-Obama people there.

Of course, the Birthers would have to agree to adopt a "Big Tent" sort of strategy......... and probably agree not to mention birth certificates, social security numbers, or Vattel.

But I'm sure talk of treason, socialism, radical Islam, and taking back the country will be welcome!

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Sterngard Friegen wrote:
What is the motif for the Birther Summit?

Is this another attempt to "go viral"?

Are more irrelevant dossies going to be Interdumped?

Inquiring minds need to know!


I suspect it is just another place on the internet for Dean Haskins to dump poorly produced, racist videos with scary music.

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There's really nothing wrong with being a little booth in a big tent.

She's right, as usual. Deano, you should listen to her. It's not to late to rebrand all your Summit stuff to "Birther Booth at the RNC."

There could be a clown dunk tank (no shortage of candidates there!), a bake sale, ORYR could wear a grass hula skirt, I bet Tim Adams would come and could chat up any skinheads that stopped by, people could pose with a life-sized cutout of the uniboob, you could have a big chart listing all 74 law suits and their results! OMG! It'd be so much fun! I bet Farah and Corsi have thousands of copies of WTBC you could give away!

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Motif? Motif? We don't need no stinkin' motif! We don't even have a date for the event yet!



It's a work in progress. First we was gonna have all the leaders of the birther movement, and they was gonna "hammer out a unified, cohesive message to issue to Congress and every citizen of this country".

Then we decided to hammer Phil and the Kreep out before they could even sign up for the event.

And Haskins-Robbins decided the "cohesive message" was "two citizen parents," which oughta save all sorts of hagglin' and time wastin' at the actual time of whatever it is.

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Next to the trailer park on the other side of teh tracks down near the city dump.

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Foggy wrote:
It's a work in progress. First we was gonna have all the leaders of the birther movement, and they was gonna "hammer out a unified, cohesive message to issue to Congress and every citizen of this country".

Then we decided to hammer Phil and the Kreep out before they could even sign up for the event.

And Haskins-Robbins decided the "cohesive message" was "two citizen parents," which oughta save all sorts of hagglin' and time wastin' at the actual time of whatever it is.

There will, of course, be awards:

* Attorney who misread Minor first;
* Attorney who loathes Phil Berg the most (IMO: Phil Berg);
* Attorney who has been sanctioned the least (which is going down to the wire!).

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 Post subject: Birther Summit USA
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Our firm position on any possible candidate for president or vice president of the United States is that, if one was not born in this country, or if both parents were not United States citizens at the time of one's birth, then one is ineligible to hold the office, regardless of any other qualifications, talents, or public appeal that person may have.


So by this statement, they agree Obama, Rubio, Jindal, Haley are all eligible. How long until they try to change that "or" ?


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Dean is reading TFB: He emailed me a response on this and asked that I post it at "Fogblow":

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And as is oh so typical of Birfoons, even when they try to be all smart they fuck it up

Our firm position on any possible candidate for president or vice president of the United States is that, if one was not born in this country, or if both parents were not United States citizens at the time of one's birth, then one is ineligible to hold the office, regardless of any other qualifications, talents, or public appeal that person may have."

So, if one IS born in the US one's an NBC, that stray OR doesn't help the cause.....They done thrown Vattel under the short yellow bus.


That is hilarious.

This from the folks that brought you "we understand Wong Kim Ark better than anyone because we can parse the special meanings of conjunctions, pronouns, subordinate clauses, and all sorts of sentence and writting stuff, 'cause everything that's written means just what it's understood to mean, not what it actually says, and then we get to say, 'Stupid obots, ignoring the plain language of the law.'"

Logically, when two things are stated in the affirmative, AND is proper, and when they are stated in the negative, OR is proper. Consider: (affirmative) I need both blood AND oxygen to survive. (negative) I will die if I don't have blood OR oxygen.

The statement, as written, does not "throw Vattel under the bus;" it confirms Vattel's definition.


The Birther Summit statement is poorly worded as you already know. I asked him why his video produced in January 2009 mentions either Vattel nor any two citizen parent requirement. I bet him that if he were honest he would have to admit he had never heard of Vattel before the 2008 election. So far he has no response.

I am not going to be Dean's messenger in the future but I thought I would post this one.

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Sorry Deano your pathetic attempt at grammatical constructs FAIL as much as you do.

What is it about Birfoons that they never can accept that lying about their screw ups only compounds the lie?

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Our firm position on any possible candidate for president or vice president of the United States is that, if one was not born in this country, or if both parents were not United States citizens at the time of one's birth, then one is ineligible to hold the office, regardless of any other qualifications, talents, or public appeal that person may have.


Well, folks, I hate to be the one to say it, and I've been waiting for someone else to point it out, but I don't believe the grammar in that statement is incorrect. It properly reflects the Vattelite school of birtherism.

"If one is not born in this country"
OR
"One did not have two citizen parents"
THEN
"One is ineligible to hold the office of the Presidency."

(~A OR ~B) → ~C
is equivalent to
C → A AND B

-- in other words, the Presidency requires both native birth and two citizen parents.

We can criticize them for holding nonsensical views that are not supported by history or law, but our recent attacks on their grammar are off-base.

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Foggy wrote:
It's a work in progress. First we was gonna have all the leaders of the birther movement, and they was gonna "hammer out a unified, cohesive message to issue to Congress and every citizen of this country".

=)) =)) =)) =))

That brings to mind the Konstitutional Konvention. I recall how well that unified message thing worked out for them.

BTW I wonder if they'll make a video. :-

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Our firm position on any possible candidate for president or vice president of the United States is that, if one was not born in this country, or if both parents were not United States citizens at the time of one's birth, then one is ineligible to hold the office, regardless of any other qualifications, talents, or public appeal that person may have.


Well, folks, I hate to be the one to say it, and I've been waiting for someone else to point it out, but I don't believe the grammar in that statement is incorrect. It properly reflects the Vattelite school of birtherism.

"If one is not born in this country"
OR
"One did not have two citizen parents"
THEN
"One is ineligible to hold the office of the Presidency."

(~A OR ~B) → ~C
is equivalent to
C → A AND B

-- in other words, the Presidency requires both native birth and two citizen parents.

We can criticize them for holding nonsensical views that are not supported by history or law, but our recent attacks on their grammar are off-base.

I guess you're right Skeppy. I ridiculed reflexively and prematurely. * shakes fist * Damn You Alinsky!!

On the other hand, it is extraordinary that we had a contest in 2008 between two ineligible major-party candidates and only a handful of nativist xenophobes with no legal training noticed.

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Of course they will, Zeke. They will want to show their grandkids how they acted all serious-like and constitutional and all, not like adolescents who didn't get their way, as history will surely portray them. Damned liberal history.

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It's hard to keep all these "Fronters" apart.

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I think that Deano's use of "or" in that statement was intended as an attempt at conflation.

Ha! not really, he's just another birftard.

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Well, folks, I hate to be the one to say it, and I've been waiting for someone else to point it out, but I don't believe the grammar in that statement is incorrect. It properly reflects the Vattelite school of birtherism.

"If one is not born in this country"
OR
"One did not have two citizen parents"
THEN
"One is ineligible to hold the office of the Presidency."

(~A OR ~B) → ~C
is equivalent to
C → A AND B

-- in other words, the Presidency requires both native birth and two citizen parents.

We can criticize them for holding nonsensical views that are not supported by history or law, but our recent attacks on their grammar are off-base.


But then he really confused me with the explanation he gave, so I have to wonder what he really meant.

I will die if I do not have blood OR oxygen. = I just need one of them and not the other. Only one of them is necessary.

I will die if I do not have blood AND oxygen. = I need both of them to live.

He seems to hold some nonsensical views about biology as well.

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Is the subtitle for the Birther Summit "Night of the Long Knives?"

This sounds like something a mobster would organize in order to get all his enemies in one place.


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I am not going to be Dean's messenger in the future but I thought I would post this one.


Yeah, I think it would be better to not let birthers post here by proxy or think you're a huckleberry. If I want to read Dean's views, I can go to his website.


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