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Lola_Getz · **Posted:** Thu Jun 30, 2011 11:42 am

ducktape wrote:

I guess she's figured she'll have a new career training birthers on Photoshop 6.

Suranis · **Joined:** Sat Nov 20, 2010 8:04 am **Posts:** 5253

Farah is starting to melt down on Forbes

http://blogs.forbes.com/jeffbercovici/2 ... mment-3907

Quote:

jfarah

I’ve been a journalist for 35 years. I can’t believe I’m being asked by someone who presumably also considers himself a journalist to speculate or hypothesize about where Obama might have been born. What is the point of such a silly exercise? While I appreciate your correction above, Obama has issued a “birth certificate” that every single document expert who has examined it says is clearly and obviously fraudulent. And you ask me what kind of proof I would need? How about a legitimate, non-edited, non-manufactured document to start? Further, like so many other in the media, you make the mistake of believing that birthplace is relevant to the question of eligibility. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ELIGIBILITY, as the U.S. Senate determined in 2008 in the case of John McCain. What counts is the citizenship status of the parents. In Obama’s case, if we accept at face value his claim of parentage, he is clearly not eligible.

Is it not of interest to you that the “birth certificate” Obama issued in April is fraudulent, edited, manufactured, according to every expert who has examined it?

Isn’t that of more consequence than my speculations about where Obama might have been born?

Ok I Admit I've been playing a little in the comment section... ;;)

lyssandri · **Posted:** Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:36 pm

Suranis wrote:

Farah is starting to melt down on Forbes

http://blogs.forbes.com/jeffbercovici/2 ... mment-3907

Quote:

jfarah

I’ve been a journalist for 35 years. I can’t believe I’m being asked by someone who presumably also considers himself a journalist to speculate or hypothesize about where Obama might have been born. What is the point of such a silly exercise? While I appreciate your correction above, Obama has issued a “birth certificate” that every single document expert who has examined it says is clearly and obviously fraudulent. And you ask me what kind of proof I would need? How about a legitimate, non-edited, non-manufactured document to start? Further, like so many other in the media, you make the mistake of believing that birthplace is relevant to the question of eligibility. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ELIGIBILITY, as the U.S. Senate determined in 2008 in the case of John McCain. What counts is the citizenship status of the parents. In Obama’s case, if we accept at face value his claim of parentage, he is clearly not eligible.

Is it not of interest to you that the “birth certificate” Obama issued in April is fraudulent, edited, manufactured, according to every expert who has examined it?

Isn’t that of more consequence than my speculations about where Obama might have been born?

Ok I Admit I've been playing a little in the comment section... ;;)

Y'know, if WHERE Obama was born is irrelevant to his eligibility, then why does anyone give a fart about the birth certificate?

As Farah points out, Obama's own claim of his parentage says that his father was not an American citizen, and since (in Farah's version, at least) the non-citizen parent is the entire basis of the claim that Obama is ineligible, then what on earth does anyone need the birth certificate for, and what does it matter if it's real or fake? It would theoretically be to the birthers advantage to accept the document as genuine and then use it as proof of Obama's failure to meet the NBC qualifications because of his foreign father.

Also, why would Obama or anyone supporting him want to forge a birth certificate that - were it accepted as genuine - would prove him INeligible for the Presidency? Wouldn't it make more sense to make a fake certificate that listed an American citizen as his father? And doesn't this whole line of thinking totally invalidate any point Corsi's book may have been trying to make?

Teh Stoopid. It hurtz.

BFB · **Posted:** Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:39 pm

Suranis wrote:

Farah is starting to melt down on Forbes

http://blogs.forbes.com/jeffbercovici/2 ... mment-3907

Quote:

jfarah

I’ve been a journalist for 35 years. I can’t believe I’m being asked by someone who presumably also considers himself a journalist to speculate or hypothesize about where Obama might have been born. What is the point of such a silly exercise? While I appreciate your correction above, Obama has issued a “birth certificate” that every single document expert who has examined it says is clearly and obviously fraudulent. And you ask me what kind of proof I would need? How about a legitimate, non-edited, non-manufactured document to start? Further, like so many other in the media, you make the mistake of believing that birthplace is relevant to the question of eligibility. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ELIGIBILITY, as the U.S. Senate determined in 2008 in the case of John McCain. What counts is the citizenship status of the parents. In Obama’s case, if we accept at face value his claim of parentage, he is clearly not eligible.

Is it not of interest to you that the “birth certificate” Obama issued in April is fraudulent, edited, manufactured, according to every expert who has examined it?

Isn’t that of more consequence than my speculations about where Obama might have been born?

Thank you, Joey, for giving me something interesting to post about. I was beginning to lose hope ...

Lola_Getz · **Posted:** Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:42 pm

thorswitch wrote:

Wouldn't he want to make a fake certificate that listed an American citizen as his father? And doesn't this whole line of thinking totally invalidate any point Corsi's book may have been trying to make?

Thorswitch, you silly, there you go making sense again. What kind of conspiracy would it be if he did that? It's gotta have layers, you know, the more convoluted the better. It's what Soros pays the big bucks for, because putting a plot this huge over on the American public isn't any fun if it isn't complicated.

(For you lurking birthers: I know you people have absolutely no sense of humor and wouldn't recognize sarcasm or satire if it bit you on your ass, so let me me clear in saying that, yes, that was intended as sarcasm.)

verbalobe · **Posted:** Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:47 pm

jfarah wrote:

.. you make the mistake of believing that birthplace is relevant to the question of eligibility. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ELIGIBILITY...

...that is why we spent thousands on a book titled Where's The Birth Certificate, you morons! Because it is IRRELEVANT! And that is why we're suing Esquire and Hearst! I mean, you Obots must be SO DENSE!! The libelous Esquire restraint-of-trade falsehoods caused a MASSIVE DECLINE in the market for our COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT book about the birth certificate that I'm trying to get you to shut up about!

realist · **Joined:** Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:33 pm **Posts:** 23585

verbie...

lyssandri · **Posted:** Thu Jun 30, 2011 1:36 pm

Lola_Getz wrote:

Thorswitch, you silly, there you go making sense again. What kind of conspiracy would it be if he did that?

Damn! I hate when I do that! Back off to the Psyops department with me to get my brain rescrambled....

Bob Weber · **Joined:** Sun Mar 08, 2009 11:26 pm **Posts:** 685

thorswitch wrote:

Y'know, if WHERE Obama was born is irrelevant to his eligibility, then why does anyone give a fart about the birth certificate?

As Farah points out, Obama's own claim of his parentage says that his father was not an American citizen, and since (in Farah's version, at least) the non-citizen parent is the entire basis of the claim that Obama is ineligible, then what on earth does anyone need the birth certificate for, and what does it matter if it's real or fake? It would theoretically be to the birthers advantage to accept the document as genuine and then use it as proof of Obama's failure to meet the NBC qualifications because of his foreign father.

Also, why would Obama or anyone supporting him want to forge a birth certificate that - were it accepted as genuine - would prove him INeligible for the Presidency? Wouldn't it make more sense to make a fake certificate that listed an American citizen as his father? And doesn't this whole line of thinking totally invalidate any point Corsi's book may have been trying to make?

Teh Stoopid. It hurtz.

You see Thor, as part of the Vast Conspiracy, Obama Ayers had already written in 1995 in Dreams that Obama was born in Hawaii (as part of establishing eligibility for his usurpation of the Presidency 13 years hence), but Obama Ayers had forgotten what every racist asshole Red-Blooded American knows, that only white folk can be president two citizen parents are also required to be POTUS, so the Vast Conspiracy deliberately made a bad forgery, and got the Hawaiian government, under both GOP and Dem administrations, to attest to it, rather than use the perfect forgery they had already created, in order to distract the attention of the people away from the fact that Obama is black doesn't have two citizen parents!

I hope this clears it up for you.

Loren · **Joined:** Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:20 pm **Posts:** 3898

Loren wrote:

Corsi and Zebest on Peter Boyles:

http://www.khow.com/cc-common/podcast/s ... PETE6A.mp3

About half an hour in, Corsi says that his book caused the Obama Administration to blow TWO of its "October Surprises." One is the release of the long-form.

The second, Corsi says, is that Obama's move to get Bin Laden was in response to Corsi's book.

Maru · **Posted:** Thu Jun 30, 2011 2:36 pm

Loren wrote:

Corsi and Zebest on Peter Boyles:

http://www.khow.com/cc-common/podcast/s ... PETE6A.mp3

About half an hour in, Corsi says that his book caused the Obama Administration to blow TWO of its "October Surprises." One is the release of the long-form.

The second, Corsi says, is that Obama's move to get Bin Laden was in response to Corsi's book.

I'd think this is an April Fools except that I've seen Corsi's work before.

PatGund · **Posted:** Thu Jun 30, 2011 3:47 pm

Looks like Mara Zebest is a PUMA, posting under the name "mzebest"

PumaPAC, 18 June 2008

Quote:

#134 mzebest on 06.19.08 at 1:49 pm
"...You Senator Boxer, along with all other Senators in this great country, still have the choice to do the right thing. It’s as simple as saying NO to Obama. It’s as simple as standing behind Senator Clinton. It’s as simple as DOING THE RIGHT THING. The voters will back you up if you choose wisely. We always have a choice. All of us always have a choice. I would like to see our ELECTED officials start to choose wisely and reflect their constituents.

Sincerely,
Mara Zebest"

PumaPAC, 25 July 2008

Quote:

"#353 mzebest on 07.25.08 at 4:13 pm

...I am tired of hearing about how Senator Obama attracks record number crowds when the media intentionally continues to fail us on reporting the WHOLE TRUTH (which is that this man is shallow and can’t attract anyone without media marketing).

Again, thank you for not participating in that marketing hype.

Sincerely,
Mara Zebest
PUMA Democrat – California"

PumaPAC, 23 August 2008

Quote:

#969 mzebest on 08.23.08 at 1:10 am

941 jbjd

What does your post mean? Is there a loop hole that can be exploited to keep Obama off the state ballots?"

Oh look, our old friend jbjd

Quote:

#1096 mzebest on 08.23.08 at 1:48 am
After watching the voter fraud link and from what I know about ACORN — submitting fraudulent forms for new voter registration — do you realize that with BO’s strategy to acquire and harvest all that personal information (under the pretext of giving the people a first glimpse into his VP pick) — that BO now has a database of personal information he can use to fraudulently fill out voter registration forms with through ACORN? At least that’s my theory of what he might have up his sleeve.

PumaPAC 22 November 2008

Quote:

"mzebest 11.22.08 at 6:02 pm
Another related story to the radio show talk with Kenyan Ambassador

http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2008/ ... -born.html "

Sammie Sewell!

Quote:

mzebest 11.22.08 at 8:26 pm
Obama wouldn’t even be allowed to TOUR the White House much less run it.

As noted at Rumproast on 28 August 2008, from PumaPAC

Quote:

"mzebest on 08.28.08 at 12:02 am

#1148 DiscoPuma

“#1114 I AGREE We need a new party.. How about “The Womens Party” They have this in Iceland. Everyone is part of it. Obama is no progressive– on the contrary, he is conservative.”

~~~~~~~~
I posted this downstairs and want to get it off my chest upstairs too. I have to comment since I feel a need to set the record straight. I’m getting a little tired of Obama being defined as a “progressive” or even as a “liberal.” He is not a progressive (for whatever the h*ll that is supposed to imply)… nor is he a conservative… nor is he a liberal. Obama is a radical and more specifically a marxist. A Black Liberation Theologist Marxist which is even more radical than a regular marxist (if there is such a thing as a more radical marxist). LOL!"

15 July 2008 PUMA "Happy Hour" evite

Oh, and look where else she shows up on 16 January 2009

Quote:

"letter from mzebest- telling children not to go to school on the 20th and boycott inauguration, schools will miss on federal dollars
Posted on January 16th, 2009 by David Crockett"

Maru · **Posted:** Thu Jun 30, 2011 4:07 pm

Yeah, I noticed that her only campaign contribution on record was to Hilary in 2008.

gimmeabreak · **Joined:** Sat Jan 24, 2009 12:36 pm **Posts:** 399

You beat me to it, Pat!

PUMA birfers are the strangest of all.

BFB · **Posted:** Thu Jun 30, 2011 4:10 pm

Loren wrote:

Corsi and Zebest on Peter Boyles:

http://www.khow.com/cc-common/podcast/s ... PETE6A.mp3

About half an hour in, Corsi says that his book caused the Obama Administration to blow TWO of its "October Surprises." One is the release of the long-form.

The second, Corsi says, is that Obama's move to get Bin Laden was in response to Corsi's book.

You know, he says shit like that and I want to kick him in the balls.

And no, that is not a threat, Jerome. Asshole. Pompous, big-headed asshole. Why don't you go clean houses like your wife. You're more suited to wiping out toilet bowls than anything else.

gentrfam · **Joined:** Wed Aug 05, 2009 4:22 pm **Posts:** 728

Quote:

"mzebest 11.22.08 at 6:02 pm
Another related story to the radio show talk with Kenyan Ambassador

http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2008/ ... -born.html "

Recirculating birther nonsense.

Quote:

mzebest 11.22.08 at 8:26 pm
Obama wouldn’t even be allowed to TOUR the White House much less run it.

This links to a video that recirculates birther nonsense. (At 4:36 into the video it starts a discussion of "citizenship.")

She's a PUMA and a birther of long-standing.

Loren · **Joined:** Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:20 pm **Posts:** 3898

Excellent work, Pat.

Note that that last email from her was originally from Orly's blog at drorly.blogspot.com/2009/01/letter-from-mzebest-telling-children.html

Here, also, is her Patriot Action Network page. It reads:

Quote:

My biggest concern about the current administration, congress, country, and or the leftist agenda is?
He shouldn't be President and every order he issues is meant to destroy this country as his true agenda.

Also, from PUMAPac, 11/26/08

Quote:

mzebest 11.26.08 at 11:59 pm

OMG

MSNBC is reporting on the Birth Challenge Lawsuits.
And you know if THEY are reporting on it — then it must be a serious threat gaining some steam.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/ ... 89515.aspx

NOW will Murphy start taking this a little more seriously? Maybe giving it some attention and organizing writing efforts and phone call efforts

OR we could waste another week on poetry, playing Internet video games, and discussing the history of onions.

Sorry about my rant. Just a little frustrated. My sincere apologies — it’s just I’ve been working on this issue and helping other efforts and researching it and posting about it often. And while I expected the media to try to ignore this issue — I didn’t expect Murphy to be among those that it would be so hard to get to pay attention to this issue.

As I’ve posted before — this is the big issue because if we can prevent Obama from taking Office — all the other issues of importance (equal rights for women, media reform, etc.) become a lot easier when the source of all this madness is NOT in POWER! Let’s be PROACTIVE about this eligibility issue rather than REACTIVE over all the problem issues that this ineligible POTUS will plague us with.

obsolete · **Posted:** Thu Jun 30, 2011 4:38 pm

So, again, the birthers can't find anyone who wasn't already a birther to look at Obama's LFBC and find problems with it...

Have they asked David Duke to examine it yet?

Epectitus · **Joined:** Fri Jan 23, 2009 3:55 pm **Posts:** 2361

Guess who just got a personal phone call from Jerome Corsi?

$\:D/$

realist · **Joined:** Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:33 pm **Posts:** 23585

Epectitus wrote:

Guess who just got a personal phone call from Jerome Corsi?

$\:D/$

You lucky thing, you. :lol:

ballantine · **Joined:** Tue Aug 04, 2009 5:21 pm **Posts:** 372

gimmeabreak wrote:

You beat me to it, Pat!

PUMA birfers are the strangest of all.

Never understood the irrational hatred by the PUMA crowd of a candidate with veiws so similar to theirs. Their cult-like worship was down-right creepy. Not surprised some are still around.

BFB · **Posted:** Thu Jun 30, 2011 4:43 pm

Epectitus wrote:

Guess who just got a personal phone call from Jerome Corsi?

$\:D/$

Did you wipe your phone afterword? Those Corsi germs can be stubborn. Get inside yer noggin and make you null and void.

Loren · **Joined:** Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:20 pm **Posts:** 3898

It looks like by mid-to-late November 2008, right about the time Farah dove headfirst into Birtherism, Zebest was already a die-hard Birther:

http://pumapac.org/2008/11/24/the-new-d ... -cookbook/

By the first few days of December, she was already preaching Donofrio's 'two-citizen-parent' definition:

http://pumapac.org/2008/12/05/meet-jon-favreau/

And here, there's actually a reference to "mzebest’s puma pac ‘natural birth’ action team". Doesn't explain what that is, but that's some pretty proactive Birtherism for the time.

verbalobe · **Posted:** Thu Jun 30, 2011 4:49 pm

BFB wrote:

Epectitus wrote:

Guess who just got a personal phone call from Jerome Corsi?

$\:D/$

Did you wipe your phone afterword? Those Corsi germs can be stubborn. Get inside yer noggin and make you null and void.

Don't give Corsi ideas! He'll put a personal call through to the President!

ducktape · **Posted:** Thu Jun 30, 2011 4:50 pm

Epectitus wrote:

Guess who just got a personal phone call from Jerome Corsi?

$\:D/$

Tell us more!!

Falsehoods unchallenged only fester and grow.

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