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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2011 10:59 am 
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... I put him in the birthers group.

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TW - he can't read. I don't think it was intentional. I think it merely reflects a part of the problem he has.


But but but - he is not a birfer..... :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Speaking of anomalies...

One of the first things Birthers started pointing out on April 27 was that they got weird results when they opened the LFBC PDF and right clicked to copy and then paste into MS Word or Paint. In fact, what you get is the color graphics layer by itself from the the optimized PDF from Quartz in Mac OSx from which the PDF was created. You can properly copy and paste the LFBC to Word if you in Adobe Acrobat choose "Edit" then "Copy file to clipboard". It will paste correctly using this method. What is going on is that this layer is selected when you have the cursor anywhere in the document so that is what is copied using the right click menu. I looked at some other PDF's that also will not copy properly using the right click method. Flat PDF's will copy properly. Unfortunately I do not have a Mac with Quartz to play with the PDF optimization option.

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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2011 11:42 am 
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I was struck by the fact that the PDF released by Obama contained identical check boxes. It seems that one of your posters claims that this is a compression artifact. This made sense to me so I went back and looked a a number of old documents which I had previously scanned into my computer as uncompressed TIF's (color). I then tried to compress them into PDF format using Adobe Photoshop Elements. I could NOT generate any letter or box or number, etc which was identical to another in the document.


Obama's LFBC was scanned directly as a PDF file. You are scanning as a TIFF file, and converting to PDF. Doing this, you will never, ever get similar results.

And he still hasn't told us what OS and software he's using to do his scanning and optimization. After all... the whole idea of trying to "replicate" something is that you actually try to "replicate it," not do something completely different and pretend to be shocked when the results are completely different.

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Just FYI for everyone.

 ! realist wrote:
A thread has been started discussing the PDF in particular
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Sterngard Friegen wrote:
TW - he can't read. I don't think it was intentional. I think it merely reflects a part of the problem he has.


Actually, I don't think any mocking is going on. I think it is probably a spell check error...

Sometimes, suspending the cynicism can help :) But then again, I actually took my meds today, so I'm doing pretty dern good. :-bd

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The "expert" software salesman Mr. Vogt has expanded his analysis of why the digital image of Obama's long-form BC is a forgery. :lol:

http://www.vectorpub.com/Obamas_certifi ... alease.pdf

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News Release of May 22, 2011
Expanded Analysis of President Obama’s Certificate of Live Birth
by Douglas Vogt Re: Legal proof that President Obama’s Certificate of Live Birth is a forgery.
Dear Sir/Madam, I have irrefutably proven that the Certificate of Live Birth that President Obama presented to the world on April 27, 2011 is a fraudulently created document put together using the Adobe Photoshop or Illustrator programs and [highlight]the creation of this forgery of a public document constitutes a class B felony in Hawaii and multiple violations under U.S. Code section Title 18, Part 1, Chapter 47, Sec.1028, and therefore an impeachable offense.[/highlight] =)) When this comes to the public’s attention, it will be the greatest scandal in the country’s history—nothing comes even close. This will surpass the all previous scandals including the Watergate scandal of the Nixon administration.


And just exactly how brilliant is this "new" analysis of a forgery? Well, it begins...

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What President Obama Presented to the Public is an alleged Certificate of Live Birth.

What President Obama presented is not the hospital birth certificate. [no shit, Sherlock] [highlight]The birth certificate would have the imprint of the baby’s footprint,[/highlight] =)) weight, length and other information. [highlight]Some even have religion.[/highlight] ](*,) ](*,) The Birth Certificate would be the source of the same information that would be typed onto the Certificate of Live Birth (the Long Form, COLB). What President Obama released is supposedly the Long Form that the County gets from the hospital, :-bd which is typed on a blank form given to the hospitals by the county. That copy is then [highlight]mailed[/highlight] to the county Board of Health and kept as a legal government document. On Obama’s form (Figure 1) the County Clerk supposedly hand stamped the form on the upper right hand corner with a bates number stamp. The number is a sequential number that reflects the sequence of Certificates that come into the County Health Department on a daily basis. The number was most likely stamped by hand is because the number is crooked. There were electronic bates numbering machines but I don’t think that was used because I am not sure they were available back in 1961 and if one was used it would have imprinted the number straighter. The County Clerk also hand stamps the date of acceptance (box 20 and box 22). Obama’s Long Form was supposedly received on August 8, 1961, four days after his birth. The County Clerk would then sign the certificate (box 21) with his or her whole legal name, no initials.


And he's also become a legal expert...

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One of the reasons I mentioned the Federal law is because when President Obama gave his news conference, presenting his alleged Certificate of Live Birth, he stated that they had to get special permission to get a copy of his Certificate. His statement appears to be blatantly wrong because t[highlight]hese are public documents[/highlight] and he could have requested a copy himself at any time as well as his Secretary of Health and Human Services could have audited the County’s records and get a copy any time they wanted.


I've not read then entire mess yet (and may never) but it goes downhill from there. :yawn:

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Is this the same "scanner expert" that Jabba the Corsi is yapping about?

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Is this the same "scanner expert" that Jabba the Corsi is yapping about?


We believe so.

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Is this the same "scanner expert" that Jabba the Corsi is yapping about?


We believe so.


Jabba the butt

But then again, the graphics have nothing what so ever to do with the price if tea in India.

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The "expert" software salesman Mr. Vogt has expanded his analysis of why the digital image of Obama's long-form BC is a forgery. :lol:

http://www.vectorpub.com/Obamas_certifi ... alease.pdf

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News Release of May 22, 2011
Expanded Analysis of President Obama’s Certificate of Live Birth
by Douglas Vogt Re: Legal proof that President Obama’s Certificate of Live Birth is a forgery.
Dear Sir/Madam, I have irrefutably proven that the Certificate of Live Birth that President Obama presented to the world on April 27, 2011 is a fraudulently created document put together using the [highlight]Adobe Photoshop or Illustrator programs[/highlight] and [highlight]the creation of this forgery of a public document constitutes a class B felony in Hawaii and multiple violations under U.S. Code section Title 18, Part 1, Chapter 47, Sec.1028, and therefore an impeachable offense.[/highlight] =)) When this comes to the public’s attention, it will be the greatest scandal in the country’s history—nothing comes even close. This will surpass the all previous scandals including the Watergate scandal of the Nixon administration.


I've been a casual user, at best, of both of those programs since the early 1990s, so I don't know this for sure, but it appears to me that that statement is demonstrably wrong. I thought the metadata on the .pdf posted at the White House site showed that the document was scanned directly into the computer using a Mac's on-board program? If either of those programs were used, the file would have had to have been translated from .pdf to Photoshop or Illustrator native format, then saved again as a .pdf. There would have been fingerprints left, if my meager knowledge of the subject is not incorrect. And the metadata would have showed something else.

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I've been a casual user, at best, of both of those programs since the early 1990s, so I don't know this for sure, but it appears to me that that statement is demonstrably wrong. I thought the metadata on the .pdf posted at the White House site showed that the document was scanned directly into the computer using a Mac's on-board program? If either of those programs were used, the file would have had to have been translated from .pdf to Photoshop or Illustrator native format, then saved again as a .pdf. There would have been fingerprints left, if my meager knowledge of the subject is not incorrect. And the metadata would have showed something else.



and that is why Vogt is full of shit. The meta data in the PDF from the WH doesn't mention Adobe whatsoever. It was another program that MAC uses to create the PDF from a scanned image, or the scanner itself scanned to PDF.

All this stuff about Adobe products being used is just nothing but irrelevant bullshit. If the resulting scan was brought into Adobe, Adobe would leave its own signatures/meta data.

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Dr Conspiracy 'destroys' the Vogt 'arguments'

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Dr Conspiracy 'destroys' the Vogt 'arguments'


Wow. I had no idea Doc had such great credentials.

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Dr Conspiracy 'destroys' the Vogt 'arguments'


Wow. I had no idea Doc had such great credentials.


The Birfers have absolutely NO IDEA who is arrayed against them....

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All this stuff about Adobe products being used is just nothing but irrelevant bullshit.""
Not quite accurate, the document properties view cleaarly shows this was a PDF document,PDF version 1.3. PDF files were developed by, Acrobat, the primary PDF reader Acrobat was developed by Adobe. full program name that was used:
Adobe Acrobat Mac wersion 1.3.
look at document properties view, Vogt is an Idiot yet the scan supplied was done in Adobe Acrobat. Got it?


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All this stuff about Adobe products being used is just nothing but irrelevant bullshit.""
Not quite accurate, the document properties view cleaarly shows this was a PDF document,PDF version 1.3. PDF files were developed by, Acrobat, the primary PDF reader Acrobat was developed by Adobe. full program name that was used:
Adobe Acrobat Mac wersion 1.3.
look at document properties view, Vogt is an Idiot yet the scan supplied was done in Adobe Acrobat. Got it?



I've always contended that all the IMAGE stuff is a serious bullshit waste of time since the original paper document is the only thing that matters. No matter how many times you take a picture of a piece of paper- it is still only a picture....

It really must suck to be a Birfer...I just can't beat myself silly with a baseball bat and get the same effect.

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All this stuff about Adobe products being used is just nothing but irrelevant bullshit.""
Not quite accurate, the document properties view cleaarly shows this was a PDF document,PDF version 1.3. PDF files were developed by, Acrobat, the primary PDF reader Acrobat was developed by Adobe. full program name that was used:
Adobe Acrobat Mac wersion 1.3.
look at document properties view, Vogt is an Idiot yet the scan supplied was done in Adobe Acrobat. Got it?



Yes, but Vogt is claiming the document was created in either Photoshop or Illustrator, when the metadata on the pdf show that it was created by a Mac's on-board pdf creator.

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"Yes, but Vogt is claiming the document was created in either Photoshop or Illustrator, when the metadata on the pdf show that it was created by a Mac's on-board pdf creator."

so Vogts an idiot, whood a thunk that!

Doc has a good ass reaming of Vogt article up
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Bwahahahahah! Good catch!


The one year anniversary of Les Kinsolving becoming persona non grata at WND!

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Guess what tomorrow is? ;)

Bwahahahahah! Good catch!


The one year anniversary of Les Kinsolving becoming persona non grata at WND!

Hah! I wasn't drinking my coffee when I read that! Winning! :lol: =)) :-bd

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Should we serve pie or cookies?


Why not both? :-bd

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