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PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2011 7:52 pm 
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This is great, reading the entire trial before it's even begun! ;;)

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This is great, reading the entire trial before it's even begun! ;;)


Only if DSK's lawyer is Baez. \:D/

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It is a publicly known fact, reported in the media, that she accuses DSK of forcing her to perform oral sex on him to the point of ejaculation. It's also publicly known that she then spat on the carpeting where this took place.


Well, your post is the first I have read of this "publicly known fact".

Now, I'm sure there is an innocent explanation for all this, but I'd like to know where this "publicly known fact" came from, so that you don't surprise me with any additional "publicly known facts". I was going by the actual charges.

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Trial lawyers know what pesky things those facts are. Especially when our own clients seem to misremember what happened.

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Frankly, I'm rather doubtful that a forcible oral and anal rape is a proper subject for humor on this forum, and I find it difficult to believe some of the defenses of DSK presented in this thread could be anything other than jokes. Could we save this kind of shit for 4chan?

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Benjamin Fulford, a conspiracy theorist who has access to ancient secret societies of the Orient, has the real scoop on Dominique Strauss-Kahn:
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Benjamin Fulford says that the Japan economy is not in trouble it is in full reconstruction after the tsunami , he is directly involved with the people who orchestrated the arrest of Dominique Strauss-Kahn , Strauss-Kahn was trying to get his hands on the American social security money in order to pay-off the Euro the bailout for Portugal and other countries ..., if Europe have to be bailed out they need to borrow money from the Asians and middle eastern countries , Benjamin says that there are three nuclear bombs missing and that they could be used to perpetrate a nuclear attack in Europe the target could be Basel banking system , the City of London the Vatican or the EU headquarter in Brussels.

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It is a publicly known fact, reported in the media, that she accuses DSK of forcing her to perform oral sex on him to the point of ejaculation. It's also publicly known that she then spat on the carpeting where this took place.


Well, your post is the first I have read of this "publicly known fact".

Now, I'm sure there is an innocent explanation for all this, but I'd like to know where this "publicly known fact" came from, so that you don't surprise me with any additional "publicly known facts". I was going by the actual charges.


I am not the DA, so if you are interested in discussing the facts of the case, observer to observer as we both are, you should look them up yourself rather than denying everything until someone proves you wrong (again). It took me about ten seconds to google multiple articles reporting that there were semen stains on her uniform, and that carpeting had been removed from the location of the oral sex incident because she spat there. Let me know if your googling fails to turn up a single one.

In the meantime, your accidental mouth-to-penis fall theory is literally laughable.

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Strauss-Kahn was trying to get his hands on the American social security money


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He's not as informed as you'd expect the head of the IMF. Our Congress critters have gotten their hands on the social security money well ahead of Strauss-Kahn. Most of the assets of the Social Security Trust are in the form of Treasury Notes. Every month the Trust takes in more money, from payroll tax and earnings on the Trust assets, than it pays out in benefits. Every month, the net difference is borrowed by the Gummint of the United States in exchange for Treasury Notes. When they talk about reducing Social Security benefits, what they're really trying to get out from under is the debt to the Trust, which is the only part of Social Security that's in the General Budget besides its miniscule overhead. Ditto for Medicare. Not so for Medicaid.


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A minister in the French government has resigned, after two women brought sexual harassment claims against him. The women were apparently emboldened to act by DSK's arrest.

http://nyti.ms/kWLKtE

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A minister in the French government has resigned, after two women brought sexual harassment claims against him. The women were apparently emboldened to act by DSK's arrest.

http://nyti.ms/kWLKtE


I guess the "French Holiday" for violent rapists may be coming to a close.

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A minister in the French government has resigned, after two women brought sexual harassment claims against him. The women were apparently emboldened to act by DSK's arrest.

http://nyti.ms/kWLKtE


I guess the "French Holiday" for violent rapists may be coming to a close.

And now the former head of the Bank of Alexandria in Egypt has been arrested in NYC

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May 31 (Bloomberg) -- The former chairman of Egypt’s Bank of Alexandria was charged with sexually abusing a maid at the Pierre Hotel in New York, police said.

Mahmoud Abdel Salam Omar, 74, chairman of El-Mex Salines Co., was arrested yesterday after a 44 year-old maid at the hotel alleged he attacked her May 29, New York police spokesman Officer Navarroh, who declined to provide his first name, said in a telephone interview. Omar was detained by police.

New York police were called to the Pierre hotel, in midtown Manhattan, after the maid informed security of an alleged incident when she went to Omar’s room after the former banker requested tissues. Police charged Omar with sexual abuse, unlawful imprisonment, forcible touch and harassment. Omar allegedly asked the maid for her telephone number and she gave a false one before leaving the room, police said.

Omar is the former chairman of the Egyptian American Bank and the Federation of Egyptian Banks, according to the El-Mex Salines company website.

What we may be seeing is evidence of how power can go to a man's head, as it were.

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A good friend of mine in the hotel industry told me the same thing that the media has already reported: hotel maids are routinely subject to incidents of sexual harassment and worse. One common occurrence is couples who deliberately continue to have sex even when they know a maid is going to come into the room, for example. The standard instruction to the maids when this happens is to say, "Excuse me," get out of the room quickly, and report the incident to management.

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A good friend of mine in the hotel industry told me the same thing that the media has already reported: hotel maids are routinely subject to incidents of sexual harassment and worse. One common occurrence is couples who deliberately continue to have sex even when they know a maid is going to come into the room, for example. The standard instruction to the maids when this happens is to say, "Excuse me," get out of the room quickly, and report the incident to management.


That does not surprise me. When they come in and some couple are continuing to enjoy themselves, bring on the camera. Obviously, they either are or very shortly could be movie stars. The tapes could we worth millions.....O' rly?????/ #-o

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Here is the set of charges:

http://www.france24.com/en/files/Crimin ... plaint.pdf

Specific to the two charges of criminal sexual act in the first degree (which is inclusive of any contact), the warrant states he:

"forcibly made contact with his penis and informant's mouth twice"

While I realize that newspapers print a variety of unsourced facts, the DA picked an odd way to characterize insertion there.

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Here is the set of charges:

http://www.france24.com/en/files/Crimin ... plaint.pdf

Specific to the two charges of criminal sexual act in the first degree (which is inclusive of any contact), the warrant states he:

"forcibly made contact with his penis and informant's mouth twice"

While I realize that newspapers print a variety of unsourced facts, the DA picked an odd way to characterize insertion there.


John Solomon at the Daily Beast cites "sources familiar with the investigation" for his reporting. That's a bit different from reporting facts that are "unsourced," isn't it? Anyway, even if you conclude that those sources are fictional characters, time will reveal all.

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No, I don't conclude that the sources are fictional, but I typically don't conclude much from "sources close to the investigation".

The actual warrant, though, seems oddly phrased if that was the allegation. However it could be that they do not allege more than the charge requires.

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I dunno how one can determine that. Some hotels have aggressive staff who will disregard a "do not disturb" sign. There are a couple of Westin's I've stayed in where I've been trying to work under what feels like a siege. Even with the sign, they'll bang on the door and then call on the telephone toward the end of the shift to make sure you really, really, really mean it. You get the feeling that if you don't want your room made up, then they think you are setting up a meth lab in there.

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No, I don't conclude that the sources are fictional, but I typically don't conclude much from "sources close to the investigation".

The actual warrant, though, seems oddly phrased if that was the allegation. However it could be that they do not allege more than the charge requires.


Makes sense to me.

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I dunno how one can determine that.


From the circumstances, I would think. When you observe hotel guest behavior over a period of 30 years or so, as my source familiar with this investigation has, I have no doubt that the patterns of various sickos begin to emerge with experience.

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I'm sure that happens sometimes. I'm also sure that rape happens sometimes.

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Breaking news in the DS-K case. Investigators have found problems with the cleaning woman's story and the case is in trouble.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/01/nyreg ... .html?_r=2

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Yeah... Calling your incarcerated drug dealer friend for whom you launder money, is not the best move, nor is lying to investigators about having previously alleged to have been raped...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/domi ... -maid.html

Prosecutors, previously bullish about the strength of the claims made by the Guinean maid, are now preparing to admit to Judge Michael Obus at New York supreme court that they “have problems with the case”, the newspaper said.

It said that the woman had a recorded phone call with “an incarcerated man” within a day of her encounter with Mr Strauss-Kahn, when she “discussed the possible benefits” of pursuing charges.

The man, said to have been arrested over possession of a huge amount of marijuana, was also among several people who made cash deposits into the maid's bank account, it said.

The deposits, which were said to total $100,000 (£62,000) were made in Arizona, Georgia, New York and Pennsylvania, according to the report.

It was further alleged that while the woman told investigators that part of her application for asylum in the US was that she had previously been raped, on further investigation it emerged this was not true.

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I will tend to give the benefit of the doubt to the vicim in a sexual assult case while trying to keep an open mind for any exculpatory evidence. That said, I did not see this coming. I guess we'll never know, for sure, the truth of this matter. I'd also love to second guess the NYPD here, but it's not all the Law & Order franchise in real life.

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I will tend to give the benefit of the doubt to the vicim in a sexual assult case while trying to keep an open mind for any exculpatory evidence. That said, I did not see this coming. I guess we'll never know, for sure, the truth of this matter. I'd also love to second guess the NYPD here, but it's not all the Law & Order franchise in real life.


All the discrepancies with her asylum papers is not a good sign. Nor is having a bank account used for money laundering. She may have opened up a can of worms that will have her deported.

It sounds like a plot for Law and Order and I am sure they will use it at some point. I miss Boston Legal.

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Breaking news in the DS-K case. Investigators have found problems with the cleaning woman's story and the case is in trouble.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/01/nyreg ... .html?_r=2

The victim's credibility is impugned, but that does not mean that D S-K did not sexually assault her. His own behavior indicates consciousness of guilt. It is quite possible for a thief, money launderer, drug dealer, prostitute, and all-around liar to be raped.

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True, Tollie. But whether the prosecutor can now prove it is the actually issue the D.A. must determine. Some cases are still worth bringing with baggage like this, but is this one if the rumors are true.

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His own behavior indicates consciousness of guilt.


Checking out of the hotel and returning to his home in France?

Like I always say... if I'm ever suspected of anything, I sure hope I behave the right way.

Last night I Google searched how to make atomic bombs. If Mrs. Ipsa goes missing, I'm sure someone will think I nuked her.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/07/ ... 6147.shtml
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The hotel maid who accused former IMF director Dominique Strauss-Kahn of sexual assault admitted that she lied to a grand jury about the events surrounding the alleged attack, according to a letter sent from prosecutors to Strauss-Kahn's defense team.

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Strauss-Kahn's semen was found on the woman's dress and she reported the alleged assault, but not as quickly as first thought. In a letter dated June 30, prosecutors that she admitted that she cleaned another room following the encounter with the French politician and then returned to Strauss-Kahn's room and cleaned that as well, contradicting what she told the grand jury.


The other stuff is somewhat atmospheric, but why would she have lied to the grand jury about what she did in the immediate aftermath?

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The other stuff is somewhat atmospheric, but why would she have lied to the grand jury about what she did in the immediate aftermath?


I think she was trying to turn it into an income opportunity. She apparently took advantage of several other opportunities that came her way. I suspect that within her milieu, teh tony hotel she worked in combined with the drug dealers she hung out with at home, it was common knowledge that such opportunities often arise around the rich, the powerful, the careless.

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