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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 8:00 am 
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I, for one, would like to know how Trump's investigators are progressing.

Trump said, "You wouldn't BELIEVE what they are finding out there!!!"


Yeah? Well, while Trump's investigators were in Hawaii, Obama sent his investigators to Pakistan.... and you wouldn't BELIEVE what they found out there!

(OK, well, maybe you would.....)


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My hope is that Jimmy Kimmel and Jon Stewart and Steven Colbert will take up this mantra:

"What Would Trump's Investigators Say?"

Alternately, I would hope that journalists who interview Trump would ask how the investigation is going. Eventually, the point would be made and Trump will become a bigger national joke than he already is.

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Pakistan is just another example of what happens when you base a first world weapons program on a third world budget. The military has the bomb, but the state still doesn't have control over some if it's own territory. Top scientists, but a peasant/serf type of agrarian population. A bit too big for it's britches.


Don't even get me started on this topic. Well, too late I guess. Pakistan didn't use "top scientists" to acquire nuclear bomb technology. A.Q. Khan was a not particularly brilliant nuclear scientist who was ordered by the Pakistan government to exploit his access to European technology during his tenure in Europe, where he was stationed at the time. A combination of European incompetence, American short-sightedness, and Indian foreign policy failures resulted in Khan successfully stealing blueprints and other information, giving Pakistan the bomb.

The brunt of the blame lies with the United States and the Reagan administration. They had direct knowledge that Pakistan was actively, covertly and illegally trying to obtain nuclear weapon technology. A decision was made at the highest levels of the White House that pressing Pakistan on this issue was not worth the cost of losing Pakistan's regional alliance. This of course ties in to India, which had at least an equal interest to the United States in ensuring Pakistan did not acquire the bomb. India would have made a natural regional partner of the United States. For various inadequate and foolish reasons, India rejected that option. An Indo-US alliance could have convinced the short-sighted Americans that turning a blind eye to Pakistan's nuclear ambitions was not worth it after all. India disregarded that consideration. The US proceeded with its refusal to shut down Pakistan's nuke ambitions. Europe's security measures protecting its nuclear bomb technology were easily bypassed by Khan. Pakistan ended up with the bomb. It then passed that technology on to Iran, North Korea, and God knows who else. (Probably Libya.)

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rikker wrote:
I, for one, would like to know how Trump's investigators are progressing.

Trump said, "You wouldn't BELIEVE what they are finding out there!!!"

I want Trump to make me believe. Plus, I want to know who his investigators are. Is he using the same team of investigators that O.J. used to track down Nicole Brown Simpson's killers? Because those guys have a proven track record.


IIRC, when the Usurper released his fake long form (layers!) Trump said something about not needing those investigators any more. :P Of course, they never really existed in the first place, so of course he didn't lie when he said you wouldn't BELIEVE what they are finding, because you don't! :lol:

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Check out whose book is suddenly available with IMMEDIATE shipping. Two weeks before its release date.

Notice how the subtitle reads "No. 1 bestseller now in stock." And doesn't mention how after "rocketing" to #1, it then plummeted down to #164.

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AND at a "discount price" of almost $10 more than you can get it at amazon.

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while Trump's investigators were in Hawaii, Obama sent his investigators to Pakistan.... and you wouldn't BELIEVE what they found out there!


I am gonna use that one!

I have already used it
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I wonder if WND has violated their agreement with other book companies by making the book available early?

Kindle sales are crashing now!

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Poor jy1977 will be so disappointed. He has been telling us for months that Corsi's book would get Obama out of the White House. BTW, when GG and I were in he ASK chat the other night jy was screaming again about the scum obots being there. We never got booted though. jy called and said he thought the long form BC was probably valid. He was laughed off the show by Andrea, Mountain Goat and the Putz.

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Poor jy1977 will be so disappointed. He has been telling us for months that Corsi's book would get Obama out of the White House. BTW, when GG and I were in he ASK chat the other night jy was screaming again about the scum obots being there. We never got booted though. jy called and said he thought the long form BC was probably valid. He was laughed off the show by Andrea, Mountain Goat and the Putz.


Those poor, poor birfers. They just can't keep it together anymore.

Jy, well done fessing up that the BC is legit.

On Amazon, there is a thread that asks obots why we are over there since we won. Them birfers don't like having their noses rubbed one bit!

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Pakistan is just another example of what happens when you base a first world weapons program on a third world budget. The military has the bomb, but the state still doesn't have control over some if it's own territory. Top scientists, but a peasant/serf type of agrarian population. A bit too big for it's britches.


Don't even get me started on this topic. Well, too late I guess. Pakistan didn't use "top scientists" [can you make a bomb, I sure can't - and the damn thing did work - kinda/sorta] to acquire nuclear bomb technology. A.Q. Khan was a not particularly brilliant nuclear scientist [He isn't Enrico Fermi, but he is brilliant enough to know how to reproduce what he saw and worked with] who was ordered by the Pakistan government to exploit his access to European technology during his tenure in Europe, where he was stationed at the time. A combination of European incompetence, American short-sightedness, and Indian foreign policy failures resulted in Khan successfully stealing blueprints and other information, giving Pakistan the bomb.

The brunt of the blame lies with the United States and the Reagan administration. They had direct knowledge that Pakistan was actively, covertly and illegally trying to obtain nuclear weapon technology. A decision was made at the highest levels of the White House that pressing Pakistan on this issue was not worth the cost of losing Pakistan's regional alliance. This of course ties in to India, which had at least an equal interest to the United States in ensuring Pakistan did not acquire the bomb. India would have made a natural regional partner of the United States. For various inadequate and foolish reasons, India rejected that option. An Indo-US alliance could have convinced the short-sighted Americans that turning a blind eye to Pakistan's nuclear ambitions was not worth it after all. India disregarded that consideration. The US proceeded with its refusal to shut down Pakistan's nuke ambitions. Europe's security measures protecting its nuclear bomb technology were easily bypassed by Khan. Pakistan ended up with the bomb. It then passed that technology on to Iran, North Korea, and God knows who else. (Probably Libya.)


Soon after the Chinese exploded their bomb, India had to have one as their regional competition over the northern Indian border is a very sore point with China...The Pakistanis put one together so they wouldn't live with the perception of regional domination by India. Iran has designs on being the top dog, but India has the bodies and a mature nuclear program with tested and viable delivery systems.

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Poor jy1977 will be so disappointed. He has been telling us for months that Corsi's book would get Obama out of the White House. BTW, when GG and I were in he ASK chat the other night jy was screaming again about the scum obots being there. We never got booted though. jy called and said he thought the long form BC was probably valid. He was laughed off the show by Andrea, Mountain Goat and the Putz.


Well, "Troy" at Dr. Kate's as already said that if Corsi's book doesn't get Obama out of the White House, "then this country is finished", he has "nothing more to say", "Action is next" and "see you in the news".

I suspect they figured Corsi and Trump were the 1-2 knockout punch and Great White Hope that would answer their prayers

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RonDUE has a post up at the Pest and Efail about the long form missing an embossed seal. It's so stupid I'm not going to even link to it. It is amusing that they think the most sophisticated conspiracy in the history of the world is so "sloppy" that even they can see it. Anyway, I found this comment quite telling as to the direction of their current hopes:

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Thursday, May 5, 2011 at 11:51 AM

Amen to the comment about Trump, which echoes what Pro Graphics had to say in a BirtherReport.com report about the Susan Daniels video:

“The investigator has apparently sent the material to Trump twice, and [highlight]while she has not heard back, one assumes the information is being looked-into by some of the world’s most powerful investigators and legal experts.[/highlight] :lol: :lol: Trump easily has the money to casually hire the best at any price.

“Mocking Trump was probably the absolute dumbest thing Obama could have ever done: you don’t screw around and, in essence, dare a guy like Trump to destroy you by belittling him in public when he already doesn’t like you – especially when you have reason to fight lawsuits for 2 years over disclosure of your citizenship records.”

To that I say, stay tuned …


Any. Day. Now.

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Poll shows 3 percent now think Obama born abroad

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/05/05/poll-shows-3-percent-now-think-obama-born-abroad/

'Nuff said.

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I see that the poll has an error of +/- 3.5%. That means that up to 6.5% and down to -0.5% think he is born o'seas. Amazing!!!! Is this negative 0.5% of the population composed of people like Orly, Kreep Charlie, Apuzzo, Walt, Sharon(s), Berg and the rest?
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Poll: Number of ‘birthers’ plummets
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/behind-the-numbers/post/number-of-birthers-plummets/2011/05/04/AF3GAZxF_blog.html
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The number of Americans saying President Obama was born in another country has been sliced in half, according to a new Washington Post poll.
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On another subject, where was Barack Obama born, as far as you know?

                                 5/1/11   4/25/10
United States NET                 77       68
 Honolulu/Hawaii                   70       48
 America/U.S. (other specific)      2        8
 America/U.S. (general)             5       12
Another country NET                3       14
 Kenya                              1        3
 Africa (other)                     1        4
 Other (specific)                   1        3
 Other (general)                    *        4
No opinion                        19       19

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The Long Form BC is Not a Forgery:

Compression algorithms are software programs that take advantage of redundancy in an image or data to reduce the size of the file and make it easier to store and transmit. There are many different such algorithms because different types of files are best compressed in different ways. Symbolic data (such as text, numbers or an executable program) compresses differently than image data, and has a greater need to be decompressed with no data loss. Color images compress differently from black and white images. Images compress differently from audio. Images and audio are far more tolerant to “lossy” compression techniques since they only need to accommodate the threshold of the human eye and ear.

Every single “anomaly” identified by the fleet of amateur Birther “image analysts” in an attempt to discredit the Obama long form is directly attributable to the compression algorithms applied to the PDF between scanning and publishing on-line. None of them are signs of forgery or fraud, and all of them are so obviously generated by a non-human process that it is sometimes difficult to credit even amateur sleuths with simply not noticing them.

The Layers:

A PDF (as opposed to a JPEG or most other pure “raster” images) is a complex file format, capable of containing raster, vector and symbolic data all within the same file. As such, it provided the software designers who invented it with both a compression challenge and a software design opportunity. The challenge was that a single compression algorithm would not work well for every PDF. The opportunity was not simply to allow different algorithms for different PDFs, but to also create a process that actually deconstructed even a “flat” PDF into different components that could use different compression algorithms at the same time.

The “layers” that amateur Birther “image analysts” have found in the long form PDF are artifacts created by this compression process. They are not the results of a human “forger” assembling a digital document which was then printed on paper, they are the result of a paper document being disassembled by a computer algorithm for easier storage and transmission on-line.

That this is what happened here can be clearly seen by looking at the details of the “layers” discovered in Adobe Illustrator. The color components of the image appear in one “layer” and the other large “layer” is completely black and white showing that the algorithm stripped the black and white components out of the total image for a different compression process.

Look at the “color” layer and notice the following details.

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First… it contains almost every color component of the PDF. The other "large" layer is black and white… possessing not even shades of gray. (There are only five other tiny objects that were also stored in color… primarily the date and certification stamps… features that also were not identified by the compression process as perfectly black.)

And that’s the key for how features were separated. The very few “black” details that remain in the color layers are not actually black. Blowing up the detail to get a look at the individual pixels shows that they are composed of pixels of many different colors… with few of them being simply black. Examine for example the single digit of the Certificate number that was not stripped out of this layer. This is the last "1" in the number.



Whereas all the other digits are composed completely of pixels that are a single color black, this other digit (from the same number) is composed of many different shades of gray and green. It takes a lot more information to store that color image of the number “1” than it does to store the monochrome number “1s” that appears just four and five digits earlier in the same number. It was compressed in color, while the rest of the number was stripped out into a different layer that was compressed entirely (and far more efficiently) in black and white.



The second large layer is perfectly monochrome, consisting of pixels that are only white or only black. There are no shades of gray or hints of the green security image. Such an image is very easy to compress to a tiny fraction of its original size thus making it an obvious set of features for a computer program to strip out and treat as a different object with a different compression algorithm.

One of the ways we know these two “layers” were created by the compression process from an original single layer is that there is absolutely no overlap between the layers. Every single pixel in the black and white “layer” falls onto an empty (white) pixel on the color layer. In the color layer these features appear as white “shadows” where the black features were stripped out. If these were genuinely different layers created by a human forger, it would be expected that at least some of the black pixels should overlap green pixels from the security paper layer below. There are more than 2 million pixels in this PDF. Not a single one of them has two pixels overlapping.

Another way we can tell the compression process was performed by a computer and not a human forger is that the layers themselves do not even make sense from the perspective of human forgery. The final digit in the Certificate Number is the most obvious example of where objects are split between two different layers in a way that doesn’t make obvious sense. A more subtle but even more telling example is in the signatures. The entire signature of the Local Registrar appears on the color “layer” except for a single cursive letter “i” that appears on the black “layer.” A human forger would be expected to create (or extract) a signature as a single unit and them layer it onto the forged image. But who would ever forge a signature in multiple parts, placing every letter except one as part of one large color object, and then put a single letter of that signature in a completely different large black and white object?

Of course, they wouldn’t.

But a mindless computer algorithm instructed to strip out everything that looked perfectly black would show many such weird choices, unable to intelligently understand that the letter had anything to do with a larger thing called a “signature.” It stood alone. It was black. It became part of the black and white layer while the rest remained in color.

The bottom line is that the “layers” found by amateur Birther “image analysts” are completely unlike what would be expected from an actual forgery. They are simply the ordinary results of a scanned document being optimized as a digital file. Even very conservative sources such as WND, National Review Online and Fox News have reached that conclusion.

But here is where it gets fun… Miss Tickley’s “discovery” of identical pixel patterns across the birth certificate. How in God’s name did that happen?

Identical Pixel Patterns:

Among the reasons a black and white image can compress so much more efficiently than a color image is not merely because it only has to account for two colors; black and white. The vastly simplified image also provides opportunities to search for repetition and redundancy. If parts of the image are identical, the compression algorithm can store those multiple parts a single time rather than three or four or a dozen different times. An identical letter (for example) that is repeated 40 times can be stored in 1/40th of the file space as 40 identical letters stored 40 times.

So the black and white compression algorithm searches for objects or patterns on the image those are close enough to identical that they can then be tagged and stored that way.

This is called a “lossy” compression algorithm, because it actually does “lose” information in the effort to store it most efficiently. It counts on the fact that human eye would never have been able to tell those objects apart anyway, so the data lost is not meaningful. In the compression process it actually compares the objects (two check boxes for example, or two letters “T”) and determines that if they are close enough, they will be stored as two identical objects a single time.

As in the separation between “layers” already discussed above, the choices made by the computer are mindless and therefore often don’t make sense from a human perspective. Look for example at the check boxes identified by Miss Tickley.

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Two of those check boxes are pixel for pixel identical. This could certainly be a result either of a human being cutting and pasting the same check box multiple times or a compression algorithm deciding the objects were close enough to make them identical for storage. But what then about that third check box? The third box is not identical, which doesn’t make sense if this was human forger creating the document from scratch. A human would most likely simply reuse the same image over and over… certainly use the same one to place three such boxes so close together on the form.

A mindless computer algorithm doesn’t even know what a “check box” is, and certainly doesn’t care about how close they might be together on a “form” that it also doesn’t understand. It did not recognize that third check box as being close enough to store them as identical. Certainly, to your eye and mine they look the same. But the computers do not do what we want them to do, they do what we tell them to do. And the algorithm we wrote told the computer that this box was different enough to be stored separately.

Again… the bottom line is not just that the (same) explanation of compression algorithms accounts for both the layers and the identical “objects” and letters found on the form, but that human forgery does not. No human forger would ever create the suite of characteristics seen in this PDF and “discovered” by our fleet of amateur sleuths. On the contrary, they are further evidence that the long form birth certificate released by president Obama is absolutely authentic.

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Thanks for taking the effort and time to write that, Epectitus. The odds of any birther moron having any meaningful rebuttal to it are approximately zero.

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Thanks for taking the effort and time to write that, Epectitus. The odds of any birther moron having any meaningful rebuttal to it are approximately zero.

You think any birther will actually take the time to read that? It contains way too many big words for them.

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The Long Form BC is Not a Forgery:

Compression algorithms are software programs that take advantage of redundancy in an image or data to reduce the size of the file and make it easier to store and transmit. There are many different such algorithms because different types of files are best compressed in different ways. Symbolic data (such as text, numbers or an executable program) compresses differently than image data, and has a greater need to be decompressed with no data loss. Color images compress differently from black and white images. Images compress differently from audio. Images and audio are far more tolerant to “lossy” compression techniques since they only need to accommodate the threshold of the human eye and ear.

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Nice job. Would you like to post this at TTS?

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Excellent analysis Epectitus. :-bd

Has anyone tried printing a copy the pdf then scanning it and compressing the PDF using Quartz or whatever was used to create this pdf? I think the small file size of the file released by the White House was clear indication that it was compressed. I am sure they figured it would be downloaded tens of millions of times and every bit would count.

Edit: I realize that a printed copy of a compressed pdf would not be identical to the original document and the compression algorithm might yield different results.

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Epectitus wrote:
The Long Form BC is Not a Forgery:

Compression algorithms are software programs that take advantage of redundancy in an image or data to reduce the size of the file and make it easier to store and transmit. There are many different such algorithms because different types of files are best compressed in different ways. Symbolic data (such as text, numbers or an executable program) compresses differently than image data, and has a greater need to be decompressed with no data loss. Color images compress differently from black and white images. Images compress differently from audio. Images and audio are far more tolerant to “lossy” compression techniques since they only need to accommodate the threshold of the human eye and ear.

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Nice job. Would you like to post this at TTS?

Sure! That would be great.

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Epectitus wrote:
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Epectitus wrote:
The Long Form BC is Not a Forgery:

Compression algorithms are software programs that take advantage of redundancy in an image or data to reduce the size of the file and make it easier to store and transmit. There are many different such algorithms because different types of files are best compressed in different ways. Symbolic data (such as text, numbers or an executable program) compresses differently than image data, and has a greater need to be decompressed with no data loss. Color images compress differently from black and white images. Images compress differently from audio. Images and audio are far more tolerant to “lossy” compression techniques since they only need to accommodate the threshold of the human eye and ear.

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Nice job. Would you like to post this at TTS?

Sure! That would be great.


PM me your email address, and I set ya up ...

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Great, Epi!

What a clear explanation of the hows and whys.

I've worked with layers in Photoshop and Flash but didn't understand why a pdf would have them. Different compression algorithms makes so much sense. Also your clear explanations of why a human forger would do it differently.

Would like to email it to WNDs "expert". :twisted:

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Sequoia32 wrote:
Would like to email it to WNDs "expert". :twisted:


I honestly think someone (perhaps Doc C) ought to contact WND's experts, just to learn if they feel they were accurately represented by WND's article.

For once, you see, they actually NAMED the authorities they were citing. That's rare enough already.

But at the same time, while the article kept referring to one expert's "report," they didn't actually share that report. They only shared selected quotes from it. On the one hand, they present some evidence that the document was enhanced for legibility, and make that part of their conclusion. But as for CONTENT? They practically admit that there's no evidence of that, and rebut some claims that the white halos are evidence for content manipulation.

Meanwhile, if the other expert gave any findings or conclusions, we aren't told. Just "Jon Berryhill of Berryhill Computer Forensics, said for a complete analysis, access to the original document would be best." I can't imagine that was his ENTIRE finding.

So I'm curious how they feel about their work being passed off as evidence in favor of claims that the birth certificate was forged.

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