State of New York vs Trump, et al - the civil fraud case against the Trump Organization

[Chilidog]

Dammit, now I want a slurpee.

Nothing is estoppeling you, Estiveo.

[NewMexGirl]

"transactional lawyer" — I learnt a new term today! Thx chancery!

We need a “Legal Word or Expression of the Day” topic, while all these trials are going on—stuff like “interlocutory appeal,” “surreply,” etc.

A "surreply" is a crushed ice beverage you get at the 7-11 next door to the law office, right? What do I win? What do I win?

[Fiascoist]

Just finished reading the notes of Don Jr.'s testimony today. Apparently the judge is allowing in anything the defendant wants to introduce, which is mostly irrelevant testimony and documents. My experience in Judge trials is when you are winning every argument and every document comes in, you have lost, and lost big time. The judge just wants to make it appeal proof. I had to explain that to clients on more than one occasion, but it's never fun. You end up sitting there, making and losing objection after objection. (I once got a judge to let me just raise my hand for him to note and overrule my objection. It took too long to stand every time and state it on the record.)
What the defense is doing is not lawyering, it's simply performance art for one person and the one person in question isn't the judge.

[Rolodex]

Just finished reading the notes of Don Jr.'s testimony today. Apparently the judge is allowing in anything the defendant wants to introduce, which is mostly irrelevant testimony and documents. My experience in Judge trials is when you are winning every argument and every document comes in, you have lost, and lost big time. The judge just wants to make it appeal proof. I had to explain that to clients on more than one occasion, but it's never fun. You end up sitting there, making and losing objection after objection. (I once got a judge to let me just raise my hand for him to note and overrule my objection. It took too long to stand every time and state it on the record.)
What the defense is doing is not lawyering, it's simply performance art for one person and the one person in question isn't the judge.

It seemed like it all promo videos today. Like a time share presentation. I think the judge will let everything in to, as you say, appeal-proof it. I think he even said as much, iirc. It might dazzle a jury, but the Trumps love their blankie of a lush video saying how wonderful their stuff is. I can see how winning would feel like losing when you have to sit there and listen to all that garbage that's discussed and admitted. I can take the long view, though! Winning! We'll be happy to sue y'all into oblivion, Jr.

Personal aside, Jr mentioned Doonbeg, in Ireland. As it happens I visited there in June 2014. Trump bought it in Feb 2014, so I doubt they had done much as far as physical changes. I didn't even know it was a Trump property - no signage, etc (I just went back through my photos to double check). It was a lovely property in a gorgeous setting; it appears on the website now to look just as it did when I was there - so at least it hasn't (at least on the photos available) trumpified it into tackiness. Idk about the golf course as I don't play golf, but from the little I saw it looked just like the other (nearby, non-trump) course the rest of my family was playing).

[Suranis]

Personal aside, Jr mentioned Doonbeg, in Ireland. As it happens I visited there in June 2014. Trump bought it in Feb 2014, so I doubt they had done much as far as physical changes. I didn't even know it was a Trump property - no signage, etc (I just went back through my photos to double check).

I know this is going to shock you, but its been losing money for years since he bought it. This article is from 2021, but when FATUS stopped off at it for a few minutes this year, everyone descried it as his "loss making" resort, so things haven't changed much. All told, its lost 16.4 Million euros since 2014.

Of course, he slapped a valuation on it of $50 Million Dollars in April.

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2021/1 ... t-results/

[Rolodex]

Personal aside, Jr mentioned Doonbeg, in Ireland. As it happens I visited there in June 2014. Trump bought it in Feb 2014, so I doubt they had done much as far as physical changes. I didn't even know it was a Trump property - no signage, etc (I just went back through my photos to double check).

I know this is going to shock you, but its been losing money for years since he bought it. This article is from 2021, but when FATUS stopped off at it for a few minutes this year, everyone descried it as his "loss making" resort, so things haven't changed much. All told, its lost 16.4 Million euros since 2014.

Of course, he slapped a valuation on it of $50 Million Dollars in April.

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2021/1 ... t-results/

Oh gosh, here's my shocked face.

It's quite remote. Just checked the website, and the rooms were going for €240 which is pretty cheap for a "5 star luxury" property. Even the villas were only around €350/night. There's kind of nothing around there, so if you don't golf, you can...watch netflix or read a book. I'll bet he got a deal because it was losing money and he thought he could turn it around. I don't know who built it, but in Ireland, you could stay in an actual castle that looks like a castle instead of a new building that looks like a castle. It seemed like a pretty small "resort." I think pretty much all golf course everywhere lose money and I doubt the hotel makes up for any losses.

[roadscholar]

We need a “Legal Word or Expression of the Day” topic, while all these trials are going on—stuff like “interlocutory appeal,” “surreply,” etc.

A "surreply" is a crushed ice beverage you get at the 7-11 next door to the law office, right? What do I win? What do I win?

They go nicely with a fresh-baked tort.

[Tiredretiredlawyer]

roadscholar: They go nicely with a fresh-baked tort.

Only cherry torts are recognized in chancery courts.

[Dr. Ken]

[Kendra]

Bazar?

[raison de arizona]

Bazar?

So bazar!

[Dr. Ken]

[Dr. Ken]

Bazar?

So bazar!

How bazar?

"every time I look around... every time I look around... it's in my face."

[Kendra]

We need to work bazar and stollen into a sentence

[Fiascoist]

How about The Trump merchandise was stollen from the bazar.

[Sam the Centipede]

How about The Trump merchandise was stollen from the bazar.

Needz "fake".

But who'd fake Trumpcrap?

[raison de arizona]

"It will be handled."

Alina Habba hints that she is “already all over” going after Judge Engoron, his staff, and Letitia James for prosecuting Trump.

Habba: “It’ll be handled.”

[RTH10260]

what's the term --- words making the heavy lifting

"IFF THERE IS A RECOURSE"

[Rolodex]

Bazar?

It's the knock-off version of Mazars, his old accountants.

[Slim Cognito]

Her background in parking garage law has prepared her well.

[SuzieC]

Who does Trump think will carry out a citizen's arrest of Judge Engoron and AG James? If that post doesn't call for muzzling him with a gag order, nothing will.

[RTH10260]

Who does Trump think will carry out a citizen's arrest of Judge Engoron and AG James? If that post doesn't call for muzzling him with a gag order, nothing will.

Proud Boys ...

[Slim Cognito]

I was going to say Gomer but couldn’t find a gif.

[Maybenaut]

I was going to say Gomer but couldn’t find a gif.

[neonzx]

Who does Trump think will carry out a citizen's arrest of Judge Engoron and AG James? If that post doesn't call for muzzling him with a gag order, nothing will.

Proud Boys ...

Stand back and stand by.