Hah, interesting. Well, the Texas Supreme Court cited his paper in dictum, for what little that's worth, in the context of an identity theft case having nothing to do with social security numbers.

Since Stern murdered my last link to a study, here's another one that was authored by the government in, ironically, 1977. The study contains links to additional reports that might be of further interest to us. Here's one nugget I liked:



From: Personal Privacy in an Information Society: The Report of the Privacy Protection Study Commission transmitted to President Jimmy Carter on July 12, 1977.

In 1977 Obama obviously used He, Lucas Smith's, Kenyan footie-print BC for proof of identity.




And some have 39.

Sorry, but the claim wouldn't be dead no matter what happened. These are the same people who claimed that Obama went to Hawaii to silence his grandmother. I have absolutely no doubt that they'd claim that the mother and grandmother are covering up for some crime they committed 50 years ago, or they're helping Obama cover it up.

These are vile, disgusting people who will claim anything for not having to deal with the fact that the scary black man is actually in the White House. There is absolutely nothing that will kill the claims.

This is the most ridiculous filing that I have ever seen a brther do. While I have not really posted about this issue, this is not something I would have ever been involved with. It is so ludicrous and far fetched that I dont understand why someone in our Government has not shut her down on this. Although it may be comicial, it is also all over the Internet forever and potentially harmful. There are children involved that can and probably will feel some kind of backlash from this kind of crap eventually and they don't deserve that, but kids can be cruel without realizing they are doing it. I also don't think the President deserves it, for I do not and have never thought he was a criminal or had/was committing a criminal act.

Doc C posts that Hollister plugged the SSN that Orly has been plastering all over the internet and in court filings into the Social Security Number Verification System (SSNVS) provided for employers by the Social Security Administration. The story was posted at Examiner.com.

I assume that, even though this is a crime, he'll get away with it.

I agree with R/C in that Obama was probably given a new SSN after his was spread all over the internets.





Doc has a quote from the Social Security Administration SSNVS Handbook and other information over at his place:

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/03/ ... president/


The Examiner is Linda Bentley, Maricopa County Crime Examiner. We're familiar with her work in Sonora News.

I believe she was also at Rev. Manning's "Trial of the Century".

http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-phoeni ... reme-court

Ace Detective Sue Daniels did the same thing in 2009 and found it. It's attached to Exhibit 1 of Orly's filing in Astrue, page 6. Doc concludes the Hollister report is either a fake or Obama's number was replaced. I think it's a fake because if Obama's number was replaced, I think the "Fail" code returned would have been "SSN did not verify; other reason. " not "SSN not in file (never issued)." The number WAS issued to Barack Obama in 1977.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/49343117/TAITZ-v-ASTRUE-1-1-Attachments-1-Exhibit-dcd-04503303514-1-1

I searched the SS Death Index for numbers from 042-48-3000 to 042-48-5999.

100 persons with SSN's in the 3000 number range are in the SS Death Index or 3.7%
8 were born in the 1890's
10 were born 1909 to 1924 * Where years are missing, no one with those birth years appeared in the sort.
9 were born 1938 to 1952
68 were born 1958- 1969
15 were born 1970 - 1977
Latest birth date was Feb 13, 1977
All were Issued By Connecticut.
Thomas Wood's number 042-48-442X was issued in April 1977.

I think this supports that Obama's number was issued in early 1977, and numbers in a similar range as his were issued mostly to people born late 1950s to late 1960s, so few have passed away yet.

Compare to 3,000 numbers following the first number issued ( as reported by the SSA), 055-09-0001. The first numbers were issued in Nov 1936 and SSA reports over 100,000 numbers were issued in Nov and Dec 1936.
2124 persons with numbers in the range 055-09-0001 to 2999 are in the SS Death Index or 70.8%.
Latest birth year was 1920.

I don't know if this helps to debunk the SSN nonsense. Anybody who wants to know for sure can request Barack Obama's SS 5 after he dies. By then it will be just a sad birther footnote if they had to issue him a new number. He was issued the number, it's the number he's used for years. Like BB has said, if it was a fake number it would have been noticed long ago.

On the Fogbow Home Page Project, I'm not even going to try to debunk the SSN nonsense.

My attitude is, "It has nothing to do with eligibility. If you think he committed a crime when he was 15 years old, go ahead and prosecute him in juvenile court (assuming the statute of limitations is more than 50 years)."

Note to self: His 50th birthday is this August. More birfer follies.

There's nothing in the Constitution that says a president must have a clean criminal record, or that a president must be a heterosexual, or that a president must be a Christian, or that a president can't be a former drug user. The birthers want to bring up a lot of irrelevant bullshit, and that's fine with me. But I'm only going to debate them about the subject of eligibility, and those things have nothing to do with eligibility.

Let me clarify. I think it's great that we DO debunk these idiotic side claims, like the SSN, the "disbarment" of Michelle Obama, the "He's a Muslin" crap, the Larry Sinclair "He's a homosexual and a drug abuser" crap, and all the other crap the birthers throw against the wall to see what sticks.

I'm not trying to criticize or discourage any of you from the outstanding job you've done destroying all these stupid, false claims. I think it's great that we have the facts and the law to debunk ALL the stupid claims.

(It would be a big help to these people if there was SOME kind of Obama scandal, but so far, zilch.)

So I'm not saying it's wrong to work on debunking this bullshit. I'm just saying my first line of attack is, "Talk about eligibility, willya?"

And if I get forced into further details, I'll refer people to threads like this one, where we've pretty much destroyed the SSN bullshit.

Foggy

I agree and you need to leave some debunking to the rest of us bloggers too.

...and from the comments:

xxx-http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=20370#comments

Cudos? I mean, I don't want to be a spell-flamer or anything but, come on. Cudos?

kudos
"fame, renown," 1799, from Gk. kyddos "glory, fame, renown," from kydos "glory, fame," lit. "that which is heard of" (see caveat). A singular noun in Gk., but the final -s often is mistaken as a plural suffix in English, leading to the barbarous back-formation kudo (first attested 1941).

Or is someone trying to urge a more scientific approach?



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mertonian_norms

Doesn't really look like Orly's style , does it.

Yeah, you dipshit. You've been suggesting for years there was someone born in 1890 who was originally issued the same number as Obama. Now one of your more skilled researcher minions has discovered that Mr Antous Antous didn't have the same number as Obama, his number was 042-18-1425. Close, but no cigar. And now you're all roughed up that the SS Death Index says his date of birth was July 15, 1894, not July 15, 1890? Trust your ancestry minion, these discrepancies happen. The thing that is wrong is you reached a conclusion based on seeing "1890" on Susan Daniels' Obama database search that it was a year of birth and invented a story to explain it as some nefarious doing on the part of the President and/or his mother. In someone's haste and excitement to blab they'd found CT and 1890 and 042 and X8 and X425 linked to a person not Obama, the fact that Mr Antous' 042-X8-X425 didn't match Pres Obama's was overlooked or ignored. You've put it in your dosseys and maligned the President for 2 years, when what's wrong is you made a mistake.

Take it all back Orlana. There is no man born in 1890 who was given the same number as the President. There never was. You fucked up. Come on, man up Orly, admit you made a mistake and apologize to the President.

When I was searching around tonight about birth certificates, I re-found a picture of Pres Obama's Selective Service Application Form, written in his own handwriting. So much for the theory the scrawl of a leftie made it hard to read his SS-5. This one is very tidy. The 9 in the zip code is a little questionable though. And he's already got his patented downstroke of the b inside the O in Obama going on.

Nesara News BAD NEWS FOR OBAMA

It is kind of cute how the Birthers completely misunderstand the Social Security records system.

I was filling out paperwork today for my benefits package at work and noticed something I hadn't paid any attention to before. My children; who were born three and a half years apart, in the same city, at the same hospital; have Social Security numbers that start with different three digit numbers.

Again, birfers have no idea WTF they are talking about in regards to anything really, but especially in this area.

Birtherdom has mutilated the SS# story like a game of "Telephone" gone terribly wrong. Jean Paul Ludwig IS in the Social Security Death Index as of 1:32 P today. His number was 045-26- 8722 - nowhere even close to the one associated with the President. It was issued in January 1951. I have the SS-5. Ludwig died in CA in June 1981. The notion that he died in two places must from the fact that his last benefits address was HI. Coz people don't die when they're away from home. It was Thomas Wood's number that was issued in Mar- April 1977. He was born in 1962 and his number is 1 digit different.

IT’S THE SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER STUPID!: The REAL STORY – the Fraudulent Social Security Number – An Exclusive T-Room Interview w/Private Investigator, Susan Daniels.

No actual evidence provided to indicate that it had been issued to someone else.

mp3 of interview here.

She's never presented proof of that.



When Daniels "ran it through" a verifier in 2009, it did return as registered to Barack H. Obama. It's right there in Orly's FOIA case exhibit. Of course it's not in the Social Security Death Index. Barack Obama is alive.

They are now claiming to have found the dead guy from 1890. He is (they claim) Jean Paul Ludwig.

He was born in 1890. He had a Connecticut SS#. And he died in Hawaii in 1981.

The problems?

His SS# (according to the Death Index) was 045-26-8722.

He died a year after the earliest date we find Obama using his different SS# in Jun 1981.

Nice to know they finally discovered what we've known for some time.

morons.

Hell, they probably found out here.

Who's going to tell Orly?

Of course that all just means it was scrubbed.

By that logic, I can 'prove' that Marilyn Monroe had an affair with Benjamin Disraeli. None of the history books mention it? Disraeli died 45 years before Norma Jean Marilyn was born? There!! It's proven! If they went to the trouble of scrubbing it so they appear to have lived in different centuries, there MUST be something to hide!