The first Governor of the de jure Ohio Republic was killed in a car accident, so the Republic has a new Governor: Steve Correll. He did a Skype broadcast:

RuSA is undeniably a Christianist movement to take over the government and more than likely a Dominionist/Reconstructionist movement.

Steve Correll? The Forty-Year-Old Virgin????
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2922480640/tt0425061
Wow.

Malware possibility "Global Settlements: World leaders weighing in on Fed Reserve, making certain the payments (global settlements) are made"

Curiously, the currency exchange markets are not in a panic this morning.

Toll, like Foggy I really appreciate your postings on this and I read them all, even though I don't often post. I have a family member whose significant other is into a group called "Creditors in Commerce", fronted by someone named Jack Smith, along with Gordon Hall and Winston Shrout.

Have you ever heard of this group or these people? My f.m.'s friend claims he no longer(??) believes in the whole "sovereign citizen" thing, and that C in C is not into that either. I note, however, that they list a rogues' gallery of SC (and Dominionist too, I think) sources in their "Resources" page...including "Tim Turner - America Can be Free".

It may be that there are small differences in language or in their "legal theory," but otherwise this looks like just another way to extract money from people who are seeking to get out of their debts. I am sure that in some cases these people were not treated fairly, but mostly they want something for nothing. They do not have to buy the Sovereign Citizen ideology, which is a form of rebellion, in order to think that they are owed something by somebody somewhere.

I am getting the impression that there are many more people involved in some form of this "movement" than have ever been involved in the Birther movement, a large multiple of the number of Birthers. This particular one (C in C) is a new one to me, and the "Resources" contain a number of other things that are also new to me. Other links are familiar, such as the David Wynn Miller "Quantum Truth" nonsense about grammar that seemed to have appealed so greatly to Jared Loughner and the Supreme Law Firm and Library that resembles CEL3's theories and practices. {I'm not making these live hyperlinks because I'm not sure these sites are safe without heavy protection.}

It may be that the C in C has itself rejected Sovereign Citizen thinking, but one could not tell that from the numerous links that they provide to one or another of the proponents of those ideas. I think lots of these groups are trying to avoid the "freeman on the land" rhetoric of the Montana Freemen, perhaps thinking that it was the rhetoric that led to that disaster.

RAP, at least in the RuSA/Turner form, appears to be becoming a club where a few people hold meetings and proclaim their little "republics" to be real and wonderful. The "Prosperity Packs" quest seems also to be dying because of its repeated promises and utter foolishness. What remains is a bunch of people who feel alienated from modern society, afraid for their future, and sure that all the bad things that have happened to them (including their not getting rich) are the fault of somebody else, usually the Jews. Waiting for the revaluation of the Iraqi dinar or the redemption of V. K. Durham's Peruvian gold bond or the payment of the vast wealth of CMKX Diamonds has become the equivalent of waiting on a mountaintop to see the return of Jesus. Compounded with this hope is a deep suspicion of people in power that often seems paranoid to me. Then religion gets mixed in, including things that are vaguely respectable in organized religion such as "A Course in Miracles."

Some of the links on "C in C" are to projects with which I have a lot of sympathy. FourWinds10 has, as long I've followed it, had the admixture of the foolishness of Prosperity Packs, a quite open anti-Semitism (they are currently running excerpts from Henry Ford's Dearborn Independent), and a faith that this world does not have to include dire poverty and environmental degradation. "Four Years. Go." says

I have said very much the same thing in classes where it was appropriate (although I put less faith in personal commitments and more emphasis on politics and economics).

The curious thing about many of these programs is that they reject out of hand what I believe to be the only powerful way of achieving their goals: cooperation of governments through the United Nations or its equivalent. They look to the goodwill of individuals everywhere, which is necessary but not sufficient to bring about some needed radical change.

Thanks for checking it out and for your analysis, Toll. I guess I can only hope that my f.m.'s friend really has renounced the Sovereign Citizen stuff at least.

I agree with you analysis of what's required for radical change - both individual and societal commitments to work together toward a common goal. In fact, IMHO both individual and societal commitments to work together are necessary even to determine the common goal.

I have mentioned a number of times how intensely anti-Semitic some of the RAP/Nesara trash is. I just have to show you that in detail. This is the top of today's table of contents for FourWinds10:


NESARA Now and REPUBLIC Restore America Operations runs as its lead story

It is tempting to think of these people as ineffectual fools meeting in a back room at the Kentucky Fried Chicken in Salt Lake or at a corner round table at Denny's in some Florida swamptown. That is how I would like to think of them. However, that may be self-delusion. We have known for decades that the ideology of Sovereign Citizens is dangerous. The transmogrification of that ideology into its RAP/NESARA form may well be equally dangerous. What I and you can see of them on the Web may only be the visible surface of something that is larger and more malevolent than I had thought and hoped. I do think that it is a much more important thing than the Birfers could ever be. The fact that there is overlap makes it just that much worse.

Godlike Productions was a forum with a marginal role in the RAP/RuSA foolishness. It concentrated on UFO's, Area 51, aliens in positions of power, chemtrails, conspiracy theories, and other exotica. It is no more, apparently because its administrator decided to take it down. There are, of course, conspiracy theories about that. What comes up now on any Godlike Productions hit is:

Part of this is based upon lines from the movie Stigmata, which includes passages from one of the scrolls found at Nag Hamadi, "The Gospel of Thomas."

The page closes with "Goodbye," a recording of a paragraph from the book of a Pulitzer Prize-winning play, William Saroyan's 1939 The Time of Your Life: A Comedy in Three Acts. The passage on page 22 follows the Preface.

Godlike Productions is back in all its glory. "Trinity" took it down because of "Internet stalkers" who "committed libel, defamation of character, cyber stalking, criminal harassment, hacking, ddos attacks, and other offenses.." Now it's back up, seemingly with its archives intact, although "Trinity" will be traveling "to prosecute those involved in this internet gang stalking activity."

Oh thank doG, my account still works! Yay.

Aside from the notion that giant UFO's have been spotted in the corona of the Sun, that there are two holes in the Sun, that Comet Elenin is headed directly to Earth, that chemtrails are spraying toxic metals into the atmosphere globally, and that a shift of the magnetic poles will occur on March 15, 2011, leading to catastrophic climate change, cRAPsters and other conspiracy theorists have a great deal more to worry about.

No summary can do justice to RAP/Nesara News Thursday, 10-Feb-2011 02:14:56 Did Hillary Recall all Ambassadors because of NEW Currency to be released?. A few snips:

Vessels 50 miles north of the Hudson?

Fascinating.

That's why they were Russian vessels. We have nothing of similar capability.

But note: our garbage trucks are really fast.

Thank goodness we have the Internet to amuse us. back in the old days, these folks had to communicate with mimeographed sheets that were stapled together and then mailed out.

I know this is my reality based bias, but I just marvel at the crap some people will believe ...

And REALLY big garbage trucks........

43 Trillion dollars in gold

Closing price of gold 9/11/01 $285.00 per troy ounce

43,000,000,000,000 dollars / 285 = 150,877,192,982 troy ounces (28 times all the gold ever mined in history)

(That's approximately 238,000 cubic meters of gold or a cube about 203 feet on edge)

Number of troy ounces in a ton = 1 short ton of 2000lb (US) = 29,166.667 Troy ounces

150,877,192,982 / 29,166.667 = 517,293 tons

517,293 tons into 4 garbage trucks = 129,323.25 tons per truck

Now "2" airplanes moved the 517,293 tons...Largest cargo carrier EVAH is in fact Russian, the AN225, alas only one was ever finished but hey them Ruskies are tricky you betcha so there may be a second one.

Problem is the capacity is only 550,000 pounds = 275 tons so we would have to see about 1000 round trips.....

For some reason, the mathematics seem to preclude this........

Math is a problem with a lot of cRAPster claims. TOC has more than once pointed out that Tim Turner claims to control more assets than the entire annual global gross economic output. Sometimes the claim is for many times more. Then there are the folks who got taken by the CMKX Diamonds scam who believe that the SEC is going to settle with them for something like the Federal budget (although some are less ambitious) and the people who invest every dime they can in Iraqi Dinars, which are supposed to become the new world reserve currency for trade in petroleum and natural gas and will be worth hundreds or thousands of times what the purchasers paid the scam artists in some basement room. Some gold and silver bugs think in about the same way.

Some of these folks are just crooks wanting to get something for nothing. I put most of those seeking relief from their mortgages into that category, because they know very well that they borrowed money to buy their houses. (I recognize that some buyers were tricked, and that many buyers have been badly treated when they encountered payment problems.) I also classify as crooks most of those who expect to receive a piece of the money stolen from Ed Falcone by G.H.W. Bush and Hillary Clinton. Even if they believe that Falcone really had billions or trillions of dollars, they know very well that they have no claim on that money.

Their twist of the mind is very much like that which muggers have described to sociologists (yes, a few sociologists have interviewed muggers, mostly without getting mugged): the mugger works himself up into a belief that you have money that is rightfully his, because somehow you have gotten privileges and favors that were denied to him. So he is just taking back what he should have had. For the believers in NESARA or other forms of Global Settlements, including cRAPsters, it was the Illuminati, the Vatican, G.H.W. Bush, the Rothschilds, or all of the above that have been stealing from the people of the world since the 1930s or the 1860s or the last Crusade or whenever, using the device of the 10-mile-square U.S. Corporation and the Rothschild's private bank, the U.S. Federal Reserve.

The UFO believers have an evil wilder take on all of this. It becomes especially interesting when one group's god is another group's devil. And the catastrophe theorists are perfectly willing to believe that they will come into great wealth on the very day that a comet destroys all life on earth, because they will be transported to a "higher dimension."

Or the matrix will be reset [/references a crap film]

Not to think of the extra strong springs and tires with that load of billions of whatever in gold. And those two planes most also be some kind of Russian Antonov gigants ...

I see I am not the first to observe some mental heavyweight getting crushed by the size of their task

Finally, a note of sanity from Casper on FourWinds10: It's not true that Mubarak has 900 trillion dollars socked away in a Swiss bank.

Well that's a relief

This cartoon was posted about Jan. 2, 2011, and has already had 272 thousand views. It presents the whole story of the conspiracy of the Dark Cabal to destroy freedom through the monetary system. One commenter says:


This may be correct. The cartoon will spread disinformation much more broadly than could any essay.

Andy, who runs the main blog for true believers in Tim Turner and RuSA, quotes passages from the Bible in his daily words of encouragement to the flock. Today his message was

This is an interesting passage to choose to quote -- and to fail to provide the complete quotation. The full quotation should read:

Is there something to RuSA that has yet to be revealed?

King James was, after all, a well-known Communist.

Seriously, I like that passage. Thanks for quoting it.

Finally, we will get resolution on those Prosperity Packs. According to Casper

I'm wondering whether the World Court is aware of the mandate to adjudicate these lawsuits immediately. I wonder, in fact, whether the World Court is even aware of these earth-shaking lawsuits. And when will the new White House Press Secretary will announce this momentous decision from the Supreme Court? Casper's more than ten years of announcements of "any day now" will, apparently, soon come true.