BIRTHER GALLERY

RTH10260 · **Posted:** Fri Feb 04, 2011 8:54 pm

CalperniaUSA wrote:

Reality Check wrote:

. . . I took that to mean include TFB in a new lawsuit. Is that not correct?

Court order. That would be a court enforced order to have material removed. We have been trying to get one in Liberi, et al v. Taitz, et al. That was the last motion in the 3rd Circuit we lost. Once it is transferred, in about a week or so, we get to apply for a new one in California court. But Foggy is having it removed now. So one may not be needed for TheFogbow.

Hmmm ... just a word from an outside observer of the strange world of Birfistan and its (former) inhabitants:

First, thanks for keeping up a fair discussion style and not going off on a real rant.

As for the 'court order' part, I consider that one of the less nice suggestions you posted in this thread. It could be construed as threatening a member of this forum.

IANAL and can only comment from my non-US pov on this your point:
you fail to see that PJ and now TFB is a forum and not the opinion of one single person (unlike Orlys blog and moderated comments). You will find here original opinions of many people that are not removable due to the 1st Ammendment. And where quotes were made using any of the many birfer websites, the quotes are well within the fair use clause of the copyright law. A court order will have to list each and any post you wish to have removed. There will be no blanket type of order that will make the forum owner liable to remove what you think may be a wrong statement. So please, start your work real soooon now, you have two years worth of posts to scan for said court order.

Or did I miss something ? Did you only want your pending slot in the gallery removed ? Now that would have been a failure too, as nobody can be identified by showing nothing about them.

Let's get back to business as usual on Fogbow, please, and discuss birtherism in general and not try to solve inner-birther personal issues here. Thanks.

RTH10260 · **Posted:** Fri Feb 04, 2011 8:58 pm

CalperniaUSA wrote:

Adelante wrote:

Who called you a terrorist? :-?

Actually, I've used that word describing many of the 'birthers'. Many of their activities do qualify under that definition.

Until now they have operated as 'paper terrorists', plaguing the courts. I guess some stalkers among Orlys Flying Monkeys could be provoked further than that. I myself would name them toothless paper tigers :lol:

RTH10260 · **Posted:** Fri Feb 04, 2011 9:27 pm

mimi wrote:

okay, I'm thinking of sending valentines to some birfers.

what rhymes with Vattel? :-?

I'm over it. I'll wait for everybody else to catch up. :lol:

Cattel

Not sure if my command of the English language matches the challenge, but when asked about my opinion on the dual citizenship theory I would likely answer: bull :!:

RTH10260 · **Posted:** Fri Feb 04, 2011 10:05 pm

Ahhh - the end of this thread. Someone hand me a beer to wash down all the popcorn -- Thanks !

So now let me voice my personal opinion on the events of this last day:

I don't know what happened to Doc that he came ranting about the Birther Gallery. I know that some of Orlys Flying Monkeys searched the web for associations and revealed some of Docs other aliases and blogs. I guess he may have also received some nastygrams from that quarters. I don't think that the gallery here at TFB was the initial point for the research, just that the monkey squad has little else to do since all law suits to date have been put to rest. RIP.

It's my opinion that the gallery ought to remain. It's nice to put faces to the different aliases on the web. All pictures were 'harvested' from public sources, or from images taken at public events. Any birther has implicitely agreed to show their face while pursuing their cause.

I surely would oppose if any further identifying information were to be added, eg no real life names, addresses, phone numbers etc. If anyone is interested in such stuff, they can research themselves.

As for the term 'mugshot', imo it's a colloquial for a portrait photo. Birthers, feel free to supply your own and put yourself in a better light ! Not to forget the few real mugshots that were aquired by harvesting real mugshots of harvested persons.

Re Calpernia and her 'threat': I think she is walking a tightrope, but she is a long time member I agree to give her the benefit of doubt for now.

Now back to business and happy birfing everyone :!:

Foggy · **Posted:** Sat Feb 05, 2011 8:23 am

Quote:

Dear Friends, In these days of modern time, when we can't tell the ACs from the DCs, well aren't we all yearning for someone who can turn on a little stopping power? Dear Friends, I mean a smokey glass? Don't you know I mean a lightning rod, with which to chase these spooks away?

Here at the Powerhouse Church of the Presumptuous Assumption of the Blinding Light ...

... I'm havin' some real trouble tryin' to tell the ACs from the DCs.
I suspect I'm being treated like a mushroom, even.

More will be revealed.

Butterfly Bilderberg · **Posted:** Sat Feb 05, 2011 10:19 am

Just don't go watching the TeeVee all night.

Lea · **Posted:** Sat Feb 05, 2011 10:54 am

Foggy wrote:

Quote:

Dear Friends, In these days of modern time, when we can't tell the ACs from the DCs, well aren't we all yearning for someone who can turn on a little stopping power? Dear Friends, I mean a smokey glass? Don't you know I mean a lightning rod, with which to chase these spooks away?

Here at the Powerhouse Church of the Presumptuous Assumption of the Blinding Light ...

... I'm havin' some real trouble tryin' to tell the ACs from the DCs.
I suspect I'm being treated like a mushroom, even.

More will be revealed.

I do not think you could ever be a mushroom. I think you are more like a rose (wish I knew how tp put a picture in) without thorns and that you only use the ones with thorns when you have to put us back in line so things run smoothly.

You do a good job with the forum, you try to be fair to everyone and I don't know how you do it, with your business and family, but you manage to do it and not negelect any of the priorities in your life. To me that is an amazing feat.

Foggy · **Posted:** Sun Feb 06, 2011 6:14 am

Lea wrote:

I do not think you could ever be a mushroom.

No, but I've been to a mushroom "factory" in Tennessee that produced 500,000 lbs. of mushrooms every month.

Dat's a lotta mushrooms. They were in 47 growing rooms. I was doing tech support for the hardware/software system they used to keep track of how much to pay the harvesters. They get paid more for the little ones, because it takes more time, pickin' them li'l buttons. And I learned how they treat the mushrooms: They keep them in the dark and feed them horseshit. Literally. They do "clean" the horseshit before putting it in the trays. The worst job in the plant was the operators of the front end loaders in the horseshit room. Stinky.

So maybe I can't be a mushroom, but I can be treated like one.

Quote:

I think you are more like a rose (wish I knew how tp put a picture in) without thorns and that you only use the ones with thorns when you have to put us back in line so things run smoothly.

One year at the shop we gave flower nicknames to all the ladies. Wifehorn became Rose, and Carolyn became Petunia, and Sue became Violet, and like that. A ton of flower names are used by real live Earthling ladies ... Iris, Daisy, Lily ...

Of course, my nickname was "Thorn". :mrgreen:

RTH10260 · **Posted:** Sun Feb 06, 2011 7:09 pm

Foggy wrote:

...
So maybe I can't be a mushroom, but I can be treated like one.
...

Beware your workplace, your boss may have a peculiar management style:

Management by Mushroom: wait 'til anyone raises their head and then cut them off ...

verbalobe · **Posted:** Sun Feb 06, 2011 7:36 pm

Foggy wrote:

Of course, my nickname was "Thorn". :mrgreen:

Offtopic :

I'm not sure what's ON topic in this thread... whatever...

Offtopic :

So "Rose" was really Wifethorn? Thornswitch?

ANyway, I call BS on that whole story. You're just not that much of a prick¹. :mrgreen:

¹Certain birfers would disagree of course.

DaveMuckey · **Posted:** Sun Feb 06, 2011 7:59 pm

Foggy wrote:

Quote:

Dear Friends, In these days of modern time, when we can't tell the ACs from the DCs, well aren't we all yearning for someone who can turn on a little stopping power? Dear Friends, I mean a smokey glass? Don't you know I mean a lightning rod, with which to chase these spooks away?

Here at the Powerhouse Church of the Presumptuous Assumption of the Blinding Light ...

I loves the random Firesign Theater sighting.

At least I think that's what that was.

LM K · **Posted:** Sun Feb 06, 2011 8:59 pm

mimi wrote:

Adelante wrote:

Are there two Dr. Kates?

Worried about RFID's (Radio-frequency identification).

That photo came from her website.

I would guess Pam googled "dr kate" and came up with that photo. But I think Albrecht is worried about government spying, not birth certificates.

Aren't you? I just installed new tech in the house to protect me and da kitteh (Mishka) from radio-frequency identification.

Ya know those little chips they put in pets now that give info to help lost pets get home? I was worried about that to, so I did a little home surgery .... Mishka is fine, just fine. :-?

Hopefully this will keep her from Alien probing. Who knows what secrets she may reveal???

My hats have become quite popular. I am opening a new business:

My specialty is in protective headwear for kittehs (neighborhood kittehs happily resentfully participated):

LM K · **Posted:** Sun Feb 06, 2011 9:09 pm

mimi wrote:

Reality Check wrote:

I am not sure where that was taken but they must feed well there. :lol:

Besides being a racist bigoted POS, he also goes to the beach to photograph teenage girls. He says "they're in a public place". Apparently he videos young girls and puts them on YouTube calling them "Hot Babes".

It's at about 3:15 or so in the video.

He is more vile than I thought he was. I say keep an eye on his youtube channel and report him whenever he posts videos of young women; send youtube a copy of the video in which he agrees that he posts minors inappropriately.

What is it with birfers and recording devices? I swear, borderraven, Sinclair, and several others are recording crap where ever they go!

LM K · **Posted:** Sun Feb 06, 2011 9:29 pm

DrConspiracy wrote:

I don’t hold with the kind of personal identification that's going on in this section of Fogbow. Intrusion into someone’s private life has, intentionally or not, a chilling effect on their free expression. I would rather douse them with facts and reason than to chill them with personal identification. How would you like it if every time you went to a meeting, somebody was taking your picture and posting your name on the Internet?

In retaliation for what you folks are doing here, my personal information is now blasted across the Internet, and Orly Taitz is falsely accusing me of threatening her family.

This private investigator game you're playing is just plain stupid.

Doc, I think that Orly's actions were horrible. You didn't deserve what she did to you and I am truly sorry that you were outed.

I do think it is completely unfair to blame TFB for your outing. Who do we know is responsible for this? KenyanBornObamaAcorn, who has been banned. She joined, gathered info, pokes, got banned and has been researching all of us 24/7. Pm me and I know how to get you in touch with her if you wish.

Orly did what she did because she could and she wanted revenge; she has tried to take revenge in every way possible. These outing began 2 years ago. While it truly sucks that you (and I) have been outed, at least it is when the birfers just don't appear to care. I certainly hope that they continue to ignore Orly and Dr. Kate.

I am sorry that you were outed. I am also surprised that you weren't outed ages ago like several other of our members. There are costs when dealing with nutz; we have watched them cannibalize their own for 2.5 years. I say this respectfully; you have one of the best anti-birfer fact blogs around. Did you really think that your privacy was ever going to be respected by these people?

This thread has existed for 2.5 months, and you just now feel strongly about this? Ya. I can't blame you for being pissed. But your only pissed now? Where is the moral high ground in that?

I am strongly going to assert that TFB had NOTHING to do with you being outed. Just because Orly said it doesn't make it true.

LM K · **Posted:** Sun Feb 06, 2011 9:43 pm

CalperniaUSA wrote:

Thank you Dr. Conspiracy. And Mimi, if you find that an Orly win, then I will thank her too. If I'm ever able to get my court order, this was my first target. I wish none of you the hell that has befallen us (my family) from having your reputation ruined by having a criminal history applied to you. This thread has done nothing but backdoor credit to that harm.

Edit: Cause I can!

LM K · **Posted:** Sun Feb 06, 2011 10:03 pm

Edit: Cause I can!

LM K · **Posted:** Sun Feb 06, 2011 10:06 pm

Edit: Cause I can!

LM K · **Posted:** Sun Feb 06, 2011 10:11 pm

CalperniaUSA wrote:

mimi wrote:

For the record, it would take anyone about 30 seconds to document that Calpernia is a birther.

As I understand the definition of "birther" is one who doubts that Obama is a natural born citizen of the United States.

My political views are not yours to judge. However, I am not one that came out to participate in any of these birther activities that you all consider 'outing themselves'. I got outed by Orly and her group because I stood up and put an end to her posting rumors and lies. I was victimized for that. And this thread victimizes me further.

You want to group me here because I ran a website for someone as they wanted it run. Therefore, I stand with the pictures I added to this thread. Because if that qualifies me as making this thread, then Go Daddy, Facebook, Network Solutions et al must too.

My views are not yours to reward or coerce or punish.

Perhaps if you hadn't re-routed her paypal acct to yours, you wouldn't have had near the heartache you have endured. Orly would have gone after you anyway, but you re-routed her paypal. It is that simple.

If your a victim, I am Angelina Jolie.

A Legal Lohengrin · **Joined:** Tue Oct 26, 2010 9:56 pm **Posts:** 9410

raicha wrote:

Not my call, but consistency would require Foggy to ban you.

I don't agree with the reason being consistency. After all, rules are made for exceptions. However, I do not believe that FB members should be subjected to threats of litigation for posting here. Such threats are not consistent with reasonable participation in a forum, and are, in fact, attempts to destroy the forum. People who perpetrate these acts should be thrown out immediately. Period.

That's just my opinion. I could be wrong.

I will note Wikipedia has adopted a zero-tolerance lawsuit threat gets you chucked policy. We should not tolerate being threatened by lunatics. That is just begging for even more harassment. They should know that pulling that bullshit results in an instaban. There is absolutely no reason to tolerate this bullshit.

LM K · **Posted:** Sun Feb 06, 2011 10:26 pm

Lea wrote:

Here's my 2 cents. I see nothing wrong with this thread and my picture was actually on there, not just a Pacard with my name on it and I had no problem with that.

I no longer follow the Obama eligibility cause and haven't since November 2009. So being labled a Birther from August 2008 to November 2009 doesn't bother me at all, because I wasn't labled one of the "crazy" Birthers, that was into every conspiracy you could think of. I wasn't promoting treason, taking up arms or saying that people were going to be hauled off any minute in handcuffs, so therefore I see nothing wrong in my picture being posted as there were no inapporiate comments made with it.

I think that I and most (if not all) of my fellow TFB members understand that one can question Obama's xyz..... without being a terrorist.

Personally, I do feel like there is a segment of birfers in the world that harbor terrorist ideology. I know for a fact that there are birfers that are out playing "Overthrow the Gubbermint" with their fellow militia members on weekends. We know for a fact that the man who shot 3 people at the Holocaust Museum was a birfer. But I wouldn't dream of saying that all birfers are terrorist (even though Calpernia appears to believe that we obots have no ability to think critically about the issue). Even when you were following the birfer movement, you never struck me as someone who advocated for sedition or for violent rebellion. I never felt like you were a threat, and I don't think others did either.

LM K · **Posted:** Sun Feb 06, 2011 10:46 pm

Foggy wrote:

God damn it.

I do NOT have time for this drama. God damn it. I want the fucking drama to stop. Can't we have one fucking day without the god damned drama? Shit!

Thank you for your support. Now, having got that out of my system ...

I really don't want to ban CalperniaUSA. She's a longtime member and has always obeyed the rules. She DID have a legitimate beef with us posting the placeholder and saying a photo of her was "needed".

Did y'all see that? I deleted it, but it DID say a photo of her was "needed". Hell, I'd have been PISSED at that myself.

I'm embarrassed that I didn't see that months ago. I apologize for it, though again, I don't know why the hell she didn't just tell me about it before. She and I have always treated each other fairly, and I would have taken it down long ago, if she had just told me about it.

She recently volunteered to help us with affidavits if Anthony Martin sued Justin. OK? She took down the Butterfly Lady's personal info off her site when I requested it. This is not a bad lady. Y'all have backed her into a corner. She said if the photo doesn't stay down, she'll try for the court order. To me, that means if the photo does stay down, which it will, then there's no more threat of court action. But y'all are trying so hard to get her banned, she's got her back up.

I'm the same as the rest of you. I'm not afraid of any court action. I didn't act because I'm afraid of her or any lawyer in this great nation. I took it down because it was the right thing to do, and we're not putting it back up because that's the right thing to do.

Calpernia, I wish you'd make a public statement that if it stays down, which it will, then you're not going to bother with court action. Please PM me, too. I'm not your enemy.

If the threat of a lawsuit against us is still present, I might reconsider. For now, I'm giving her a pass on the threat. In a way, it took some courage to make the threat, since she just saw maxbond zapped yesterday. But she had a legitimate complaint, she just should have handled it a different way. If she had handled it right, nobody but her, me, and verbalobe would have known (OK, and listeme). If I'm reading her posts right, she's withdrawn the threat. She's just still ticked off because of the continuing effort to get her banned.

Last of the nice guys. But please, let's stop the drama. I'm sick to death of it, and I have no more time. Or I'll just disappear for 10 days or so and y'all can hash it out amongst yourselves. When I come back, I'll poke through the rubble for any possible survivors.

Edit: Photo, placeholder, whatever. Y'all know what I mean. It said a photo was "needed". Of one of our own members. I haz an embarrassed. :oops:

Just 2 a few points, Foghorn.

1. Sometimes folks make comments because they haven't gotten to the end of the thread. We all do it. Even you. Then we realize, oh, look at that, and edit our comment (often not always). We aren't trying to continue stirring the pot. This is a weakness in any forum setting. It is the nature of forums.

2. How is pointing out that a member has violated a forum rule "trying so hard to get her banned"? Now, I don't know if you have received PMs or something that support such a comment; I wouldn't be surprised if you had. After all, there is a little red triangle that is to be pressed when a board violation has occurred. But I don't see anyone "trying" to get anyone banned. Stating one's opinion isn't trying to "get her banned".

I am responsible for my words. Lisa O is responsible for hers. If she wants to play the threat game based on comments she doesn't like, then HER THREATS need to be evaluated. If she has a problem with something I have said, she can address me. She can address anyone about any of their posts. I don't see how that justifies continued threats against the site (even when her everything was removed). What you chose to do about it is your business. Now that I read your post, I shall go edit some of my previous posts.

3. Please don't hold board members responsible for knowledge that they had no way to access. It is fantastic that Lisa O offered help to you and Justin. There is no way for any of us to know that unless it is shared with us. Again, good for Lisa O. That was a stand-up offer. But members can only act/comment on what they know. For 99% of us, that is limited to what we read in public.

4. Alerting a mod regarding a forum violation doesn't mean that we are plotting against a member or "trying so hard to get her banned". I thought of pressing on the little triangle and decided to wait until I read the rest of the thread. Had I been posting WHILE this was occurring, I would have likely PMed one of the mods or you. I wouldn't demand anything. Instead, I would desire to WARN you of something that was posted that MIGHT warrant your attention. My intentions would be to protect you and the site by bringing an issue to your awareness. That is it.

Ya know what? I think that we all do a damn good job of doing our best and working with good intentions. Comments may get hot, but that doesn't mean we intend someone ill.

LM K · **Posted:** Sun Feb 06, 2011 10:52 pm

RTH10260 wrote:

mimi wrote:

okay, I'm thinking of sending valentines to some birfers.

what rhymes with Vattel? :-?

I'm over it. I'll wait for everybody else to catch up. :lol:

Cattel

Not sure if my command of the English language matches the challenge, but when asked about my opinion on the dual citizenship theory I would likely answer: bull :!: