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SECTION 1. The state department of health has continued to be inundated with requests from various individuals and parties for information regarding President Barack Obama's birth. The continually increasing number of requests have caused the department of health distress as state resources, including employee time and energy, have to be diverted from other department responsibilities. It may be the case that if requesters were to have access to the actual birth records of officials who require United States citizenship to hold public office, any ambiguity surrounding the issue may be dispelled.

The purpose of this Act, therefore, is to allow the department of health to disclose the birth records of officials who require United States citizenship to hold public office.

SECTION 2. Section 338-1, Hawaii Revised Statutes, is amended by adding a new definition to be appropriately inserted and to read as follows:

""Person of civic prominence" means a person who is a candidate for, or elected to, a public office that requires the person to be a United States citizen, either natural born or naturalized, to hold the public office for which they are a candidate or to which they have been elected."

SECTION 3. Section 338-14.5, Hawaii Revised Statutes, is amended to read as follows:

"§338-14.5 Copies of certificate; fees. (a) The fees for certified copies of birth, marriage, divorce, or death certificates issued by the department of health shall consist of $10 for the first copy issued and $4 for each copy issued thereafter. These fees shall be collected for each single request for certified copies. All fees received for the issuance of certified copies of birth, marriage, divorce, or death certificates shall be remitted to the director of health. Upon the receipt of remittances under this section, the director of health shall deposit:

(1) $1 for each certified copy to the credit of the spouse and child abuse special account established under section 346-7.5;

(2) $1 for each certified copy to the credit of the spouse and child abuse special account established under section 601-3.6;

(3) $1 for each certified copy to the credit of the domestic violence and sexual assault special fund established under section 321-1.3;

(4) $1 for each certified copy to the credit of the vital statistics improvement special fund established under section 338-14.6; and

(5) The remainder of the fee for each certified copy to the credit of the state general fund.

(b) The fee for a copy of a birth record of a person of civic prominence shall be $100, which shall be in addition to the fee charged by the department under subsection (a)."

SECTION 4. Section 338-18, Hawaii Revised Statutes, is amended to read as follows:

"§338-18 Disclosure of records. (a) To protect the integrity of vital statistics records, to ensure their proper use, and to ensure the efficient and proper administration of the vital statistics system, it shall be unlawful for any person to permit inspection of, or to disclose information contained in vital statistics records, or to copy or issue a copy of all or part of any such record, except as authorized by this part or by rules adopted by the department of health.

(b) The department shall not permit inspection of public health statistics records, or issue a certified copy of any such record or part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant has a direct and tangible interest in the record. The following persons shall be considered to have a direct and tangible interest in a public health statistics record:

(1) The registrant;

(2) The spouse of the registrant;

(3) A parent of the registrant;

(4) A descendant of the registrant;

(5) A person having a common ancestor with the registrant;

(6) A legal guardian of the registrant;

(7) A person or agency acting on behalf of the registrant;

(8) A personal representative of the registrant's estate;

(9) A person whose right to inspect or obtain a certified copy of the record is established by an order of a court of competent jurisdiction;

(10) Adoptive parents who have filed a petition for adoption and who need to determine the death of one or more of the prospective adopted child's natural or legal parents;

(11) A person who needs to determine the marital status of a former spouse [in order] to determine the payment of alimony;

(12) A person who needs to determine the death of a nonrelated co-owner of property purchased under a joint tenancy agreement; and

(13) A person who needs a death certificate for the determination of payments under a credit insurance policy.

(c) Notwithstanding subsection (b), the department may issue, for an additional fee as described in section 338-14.5(b), a copy of the birth record of a person of civic prominence to a member of the general public who requests the record in a form and manner as prescribed by the department.

[(c)] (d) The department may permit the use [[]of[]] the data contained in public health statistical records for research purposes only, but no identifying use thereof shall be made.

[(d)] (e) Index data consisting of name and sex of the registrant, type of vital event, and such other data as the director may authorize shall be made available to the public.

[(e)] (f) The department may permit persons working on genealogy projects access to microfilm or other copies of vital records of events that occurred more than seventy-five years prior to the current year.

[(f)] (g) Subject to this section, the department may direct its local agents to make a return upon filing of birth, death, and fetal death certificates with them, of certain data shown to federal, state, territorial, county, or municipal agencies. Payment by these agencies for these services may be made as the department shall direct.

[(g)] (h) The department shall not issue a verification in lieu of a certified copy of any such record, or any part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant requesting a verification is:

(1) A person who has a direct and tangible interest in the record but requests a verification in lieu of a certified copy;

(2) A governmental agency or organization who for a legitimate government purpose maintains and needs to update official lists of persons in the ordinary course of the agency's or organization's activities;

(3) A governmental, private, social, or educational agency or organization who seeks confirmation of a certified copy of any such record submitted in support of or information provided about a vital event relating to any such record and contained in an official application made in the ordinary course of the agency's or organization's activities by an individual seeking employment with, entrance to, or the services or products of the agency or organization;

(4) A private or government attorney who seeks to confirm information about a vital event relating to any such record which was acquired during the course of or for purposes of legal proceedings; or

(5) An individual employed, endorsed, or sponsored by a governmental, private, social, or educational agency or organization who seeks to confirm information about a vital event relating to any such record in preparation of reports or publications by the agency or organization for research or educational purposes."

SECTION 5. Statutory material to be repealed is bracketed and stricken. New statutory material is underscored.

SECTION 6. This Act shall take effect upon its approval.

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Forgive me for being too lazy to read the whole thing.

Does it make available anything beyond the COLB?

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Is that the same as this?

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Hawaii lawmakers want release of Obama birth records


By MARK NIESSE
The Associated Press
Thursday, January 27, 2011; 4:37 PM

HONOLULU -- Five Hawaii Democratic representatives want to pass a law making President Barack Obama's birth records public and charge $100 to see them.

The bill, introduced this week, would change a privacy law barring the release of birth records to anyone unless they have a tangible interest.

The measure hasn't been scheduled for a public hearing yet, and can't move forward until that happens.

Its primary sponsor, Rep. Rida Cabanilla, says she wants to end the controversy surrounding Obama's birth by handing over official state records to those who will pay.


more...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 05646.html

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It doesn't seem to, but it's not crystal clear. The language refers to "copy," not "certified copy" as for other categories.

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Does it make available anything beyond the COLB?

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To some people English is a third or fourth language:
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""Person of civic prominence" means a person who is a candidate for, or elected to, a public office that requires the person to be a United States citizen, either natural born or naturalized, to hold the public office for which they are a candidate or to which they have been elected."

The phrase "he or she" should replace the pronoun "they." It's also not well thought out in other respects, but I'm feeling very grumpy right now and won't be doing someone else's job for them him or her.

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It should be $1,000. If we're going to tax stupid, let's really tax it!

Using "they" instead of "he or she" revives a tradition dating back to the 1600s. Like the rule about not starting a sentence with "and" or "but" or ending with a preposition or the Oxford comma or two spaces after a period, it's a rule that no longer exists except for the senior partners to terrorize the lowly associate with.

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the collective birfer response:

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The forgery must be done.

2 posted on January 27, 2011 4:53:24 PM EST by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far)


plus bonus birfoonery from butternutter:

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Absolutely CRITICAL that we get a state to pass an eligibility bill that requires not only birth and citizenship records to be disclosed but also requires that the transaction logs for those records be disclosed.

Incredible that instead of calling for investigations these crooks in Hawaii are looking to make a fast buck off of their governor and HDOH’s criminality. Sick.


14 posted on January 27, 2011 4:59:04 PM EST by butterdezillion


... because birfers would never take off running with the goalposts by suggesting any transaction logs they could possibly get were forgeries. :roll:

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To some people English is a third or fourth language:
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""Person of civic prominence" means a person who is a candidate for, or elected to, a public office that requires the person to be a United States citizen, either natural born or naturalized, to hold the public office for which they are a candidate or to which they have been elected."

The phrase "he or she" should replace the pronoun "they." It's also not well thought out in other respects, but I'm feeling very grumpy right now and won't be doing someone else's job for them him or her.

So you're a grammar grumpy too? I think "they" should be left as it is, since it is more inclusive than "he or she", for example it includes Hermaphrodites.

http://www.angelfire.com/ca2/BornHermaphrodite/
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Sterngard Friegen wrote:
To some people English is a third or fourth language:
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""Person of civic prominence" means a person who is a candidate for, or elected to, a public office that requires the person to be a United States citizen, either natural born or naturalized, to hold the public office for which they are a candidate or to which they have been elected."

The phrase "he or she" should replace the pronoun "they." It's also not well thought out in other respects, but I'm feeling very grumpy right now and won't be doing someone else's job for them him or her.

So you're a grammar grumpy too? I think "they" should be left as it is, since it is more inclusive than "he or she", for example it includes Hermaphrodites.

http://www.angelfire.com/ca2/BornHermaphrodite/
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Couldn't they solve that problem by saying "he, she or it"?

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Does section 2 of this proposed law open up the birth records of anyone who was born in Hawai'i and is a candidate for public office anywhere in the U.S.? Since all such positions require the candidate be a citizen, that's how I read it.

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Does section 2 of this proposed law open up the birth records of anyone who was born in Hawai'i and is a candidate for public office anywhere in the U.S.? Since all such positions require the candidate be a citizen, that's how I read it.

As a non-lawyer that's how I read it too, Stern. Also, FYI, one of the bill's co-sponsors is Speaker of the House Calvin Say. The other co-sponsors are Jerry Chang, Joey Manahan and John Mizuno. Does anyone remember the name of the HI legislator who proposed something like this last year?

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Does section 2 of this proposed law open up the birth records of anyone who was born in Hawai'i and is a candidate for public office anywhere in the U.S.? Since all such positions require the candidate be a citizen, that's how I read it.

As a non-lawyer that's how I read it too, Stern. Also, FYI, one of the bill's co-sponsors is Speaker of the House Calvin Say. The other co-sponsors are Jerry Chang, Joey Manahan and John Mizuno. Does anyone remember the name of the HI legislator who proposed something like this last year?

Yep. Sen. Will Espero. I wrote to him. :P

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Thanks, Sequoia. Since AFAIK this is only a House bill right now, it will be interesting to see if Sen. Espero gets involved with this on the Senate side.

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TRSOL asks this "brilliant" question:
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If as some in the opposition have claimed (previously on this site and on others) that various individuals are merely making up these stories, what makes more sense — that Mr. Obama really does have something to hide, or that there really are a bunch of “crazy” individuals who are making up so many stories that they’re inspiring the aforementioned Hawaiian House to consider opening up their own Vital Records department as well as persuading a significant number (by Electoral College standards) of States to legislate on the issue?

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Does section 2 of this proposed law open up the birth records of anyone who was born in Hawai'i and is a candidate for public office anywhere in the U.S.? Since all such positions require the candidate be a citizen, that's how I read it.


That's how I read it too. So a Hawaiian born candidate for Councilman in (say) Bangor, Maine would have his privacy violated but a (say) Buffalo, New York born candidate for Governor of Hawai'i would have his preserved. Hmm, doesn't sound right. :-k

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So a Hawaiian born candidate for Councilman in (say) Bangor, Maine would have his privacy violated but a (say) Buffalo, New York born candidate for Governor of Hawai'i would have his preserved. Hmm, doesn't sound right. :-k


I'll be in Bangor this afternoon! I'll let you know what I find out.

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To paraphrase Bad Fiction, Miss Tickly is on a Nyqil-and-tequila bender over this bill:
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INCREDIBLE!! It IS as bad as it looks. This is proposed legislation that intends to allow the Hawaii Department of Health (HDOH) the sole discretion to issue ONLY NON-CERTIFIED and totally ‘NON-LEGAL’ copies of birth certificates for registrants/candidates who qualify under this new law. No where in this legislation is the HDOH required to provide a ‘certified copy’ or ‘verify’ a qualifying vital record, or any information within, as being LEGAL according to the State of Hawaii. UGH!

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Where is the OVERSIGHT pertaining to this legislation? This is ghastly! I have never heard of such an abuse of power and such an attack on the People by their elected leaders!

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SERIOUSLY WTF IS GOING ON? If they do not revise this proposed legislation to expressly authorize the disclosure of a ‘certified copy’ AND roll requesters into those who qualify for a ‘verification’ then this legislation will just make matters far worse than they already are. Who do they think they are fooling? It took me less than ten minutes to see what’s going on…do they really think they are that much smarter than every else?

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This is apparently just another cruel prank that will douse this entire issue with gasoline. Hawaii needs to bounce all of these complicit criminals out on their collective SICK asses! This is going TOO far. This is a gross and blatant attack on the People’s Trust!!!!! There is ZERO ACCOUNTABILITY to this law. It really does allow the HDOH to issue non-certified, non-verifiable copies of vital records. This law was written to protect Obama from every single question and concern.

This law could be used to protect any qualifying ‘civic’ worker who does not have valid, legal vital records but claims to have them on record with the HDOH: the government, politicians, and people with whom we’ve placed our safety and trust…people who shape policy and law…PEOPLE WHO HANDLE STATE OR NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUES AND ARE PRIVY TO SENSITIVE SECURITY INFORMATION. It’s an horrific breach of trust. This is truly historical. I am SICK.

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MissTickly also finds the $100 charge "completely unreasonable."

Does she not understand how much was spent to file and serve every single Birther lawsuit?

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Adelante wrote:
It doesn't seem to, but it's not crystal clear. The language refers to "copy," not "certified copy" as for other categories.


I'm sure that's intentional; given the risk of identity theft, the state of Hawaii has a darn good reason not to distribute certified copies of vital records to any person who coughs up the money.

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MissTickly also finds the $100 charge "completely unreasonable."

The irony is that the stated purpose of the surcharge is to offset the costs incurred by birthers wasting HDOH staff time.

And she's probably the greatest offender of this.

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According to this report, this rather ill-conceived proposal failed to get out of committee in time is now going nowhere:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110217/ap_on_re_us/us_obama_birth_certificate

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According to this report, this rather ill-conceived proposal failed to get out of committee in time is now going nowhere:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110217/ap_on_re_us/us_obama_birth_certificate


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It should be $1,000. If we're going to tax stupid, let's really tax it!

Using "they" instead of "he or she" revives a tradition dating back to the 1600s. Like the rule about not starting a sentence with "and" or "but" or ending with a preposition or the Oxford comma or two spaces after a period, it's a rule that no longer exists except for the senior partners to terrorize the lowly associate with.


Perhaps, a Shatner comma, would be, more, appropriate.

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Using "they" instead of "he or she" revives a tradition dating back to the 1600s. Like the rule about not starting a sentence with "and" or "but" or ending with a preposition or the Oxford comma or two spaces after a period, it's a rule that no longer exists except for the senior partners to terrorize the lowly associate with.

I admit to doing all of those things but I cringe inwardly every time I do. Since I'm one of the senior partners in my household, it's left to me to terrorize myself.

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Using "they" instead of "he or she" revives a tradition dating back to the 1600s. Like the rule about not starting a sentence with "and" or "but" or ending with a preposition or the Oxford comma or two spaces after a period, it's a rule that no longer exists except for the senior partners to terrorize the lowly associate with.

Translation and Rulings by Mr. Anal Language Weenie:

  • The rule about using "they" instead of "he or she" == a rule that no longer exists, and be flexible if you so desire: "s/he"

  • The rule about not starting a sentence with "and" or "but" == a rule that no longer exists

  • The rule about not ending a sentence with a preposition == a rule that no longer exists

  • The Oxford (or serial) comma == optional
    But in formal writing, be consistent about your choice. In an organization, this means make a choice and stick with it. I personally don't use it, but when I was a tech writer, if the company used it I followed suit. Anal as I am, I understand that Fogbow is a place for writing creatively and imaginatively, so here I'm anal about allowing creativity and imagination, NOT about consistency. Use the Oxford comma in some sentences but not others, if you have a hankerin' to.

  • The rule about not turning nouns into verbs (or verbalobes) == a rule that no longer exists
    Some of our most common verbs began life as nouns; email me if you disagree, and be creative: "Blood was roostertailing from the gash on his leg."

Speaking of Shatner, I defy anyone here to improve upon this glorious split infinitive:

"... to boldly go where no man has gone before!"

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