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PostPosted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 6:44 pm 
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So Evans' story is that he had a personal conversation with Abercrombie, wherein the governor of Hawaii, who last month expressly stated his desire to squelch birther rumors, explicitly told a media reporter that his investigation turned up no birth certificate whatsoever?

A reporter? Who has his own radio show? THAT is who he just happened to spill the beans to? And in direct conflict with his previously expressed intentions about PROVING Obama's birth in Hawaii?


A reporter who is the 'Hollywood reporter' for the station, but apart from that, yep.

I posted this because it isn't quite the same as Jerome Corsi spinning Abercrombie's vague comments in the Honolulo Star Advertiser. This guy seems to be saying he spoke to Abercrombie personally.

I have no doubt he's misquoting Abercrombie, and that Abercrombie should jump on this as hard and fast as he can, even if this guy Evans is 'a friend'.


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I posted this because it isn't quite the same as Jerome Corsi spinning Abercrombie's vague comments in the Honolulo Star Advertiser. This guy seems to be saying he spoke to Abercrombie personally.

I have no doubt he's misquoting Abercrombie, and that Abercrombie should jump on this as hard and fast as he can, even if this guy Evans is 'a friend'.



Idunno. If he does, he validates the hollywood liar and opens himself to WND and any other birfing 'reporter' who will, no doubt, never let up.

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There's a pre-amble where Mike Evans talks about having known Abercrombie for decades, and how Abercrombie has always said he knew Obama as a little kid...

Mike Evans: Yesterday, talking to Neils office, Neil says that he searched everywhere using his power as Governor, at the Kapiolani Women's and Children's Hospital and Queens Hospital, the only places kids were born in Hawaii back when Barack was born.

There is no Barack Obama birth certificate in Hawaii


So Evans' story is that he had a personal conversation with Abercrombie, wherein the governor of Hawaii, who last month expressly stated his desire to squelch birther rumors, explicitly told a media reporter that his investigation turned up no birth certificate whatsoever?

A reporter? Who has his own radio show? THAT is who he just happened to spill the beans to? And in direct conflict with his previously expressed intentions about PROVING Obama's birth in Hawaii?

Twinx points out in a reply that Mike Evans was apparently interviewed by someone else on that show.

What strikes me though, is the specific language Evans used:
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Yesterday, [highlight]talking to Neil's office[/highlight], Neil says...

You don't quote someone directly in the context of having spoken to their "office". Something smells here.

As to whether Abercrombie ought to respond to this, I don't know what the wise course is. Unfortunately however, I'm pretty certain that "Neil" will choose its polar opposite.

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Neil says that he searched everywhere using his power as Governor, at the Kapiolani Women's and Children's Hospital and Queens Hospital, the only places kids were born in Hawaii back when Barack was born.

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G'ma: Hello NICU? I'm calling to ask how my new grandbaby Smith is doing? He was born way to early and I want to know how he is?

NICU nurse/unit clerk/whomever answered the phone: Hi, do you have the band number?

G'ma: Band number???

NICU nurse/unit clerk/whomever answered the phone: Yes ma'am, we can't give out any information without confirming you have been authorized by the parents. They give authorization by divulging the band number.

G'ma: But he was just born! Can you just tell me if he is OK? [starts to cry]

NICU nurse/unit clerk/whomever answered the phone: No ma'am. I can't even confirm that he has been admitted. I'm sorry. You need to get the number from the parents.

G'ma: But my daughter was taken to ICU and I can't get in touch with my son in law! [sobbing]

NICU nurse/unit clerk/whomever answered the phone: I'm sorry, ma'am. It is against the law for me to give out ANY information.


Of course, every time we have to cut a band off to start an IV, the kid/parents get a new set of bands with a new number...

Most of the time it is a fantastic job. Sometimes not so much. We (nurse and doctors) wanted to change from band # to code word or something, but management said "no".

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Neil immediately made changes that helped Hawaii citizens, by changing regulations from the Dept of Human Services -- DHS. So I thank him for that. And I'm still satisfied that I voted for him.

Then he made the idiotic moves toward Birthers?? Unfortunately, he's been an idiot on this issue. But maybe Foggy is right? Is this all part of a fake-out? Where the Long Form COLB will get spit out soon? From a Hawaii perspective, I must admit, that I hope EVERY Birther bill in 50 states, passes. We here, need to change the fee schedule. $10 for the 1st COLB requested each year. THEN !!!.....$100 for all copies after that. Frankly, as I've told Birthers before, I hope that all 300 million Americans should have & pay for their own personal Obama COLB. :roll:

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 2:36 pm 
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Mike Evans is backtracking like mad:

http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot ... evans.html



Peter Boyles actually does an admirable job of calling him out on this. Until he turns around and starts spouting all kinds of Birther nonsense. And invites Corsi on.

Evans also sounds like he's more Birther than he's let on.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 2:47 pm 
yep, what Mr Evans said on KQRS-FM is making headways onto above top secret. I felt somewhere that this was probably another birther sham and yep, did a quick google search on Mr Evans, and his been a rather active fella on rightwing media shows and stations. Don't know for sure if there is any truth to what he says, it's once again "my word", just like mr Adams and his "words" or Corsi and his "words". Birthers can be so trusting of people..... provided of course they are in favour of birtherism.


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In case you needed a reminder, what happens when Mike Evans says the governor confessed to him that there's no birth certificate, and then concedes in a follow-up interview that he hasn't talked to the governor at all?

It's not that he lied and should be considered untrustworthy; it's that he was pressured into silence.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 6:34 pm 
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Loren wrote:
In case you needed a reminder, what happens when Mike Evans says the governor confessed to him that there's no birth certificate, and then concedes in a follow-up interview that he hasn't talked to the governor at all?

It's not that he lied and should be considered untrustworthy; it's that he was pressured into silence.


ROFLMAO!

The best part is the FoxNews article!


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“I was on 34 radio stations that morning. That was the only station where I said, instead of saying ‘the hospital said there’s no birth certificate’ I misspoke and said Neil said that,” Evans said. “I misspoke and I apologize for that. I apologize to Neil.”

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Evans says he first noticed the story on Jan. 18, when he was reading an online article with the headline, “Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate.” The article cites an interview with a former Honolulu elections clerk who says records of Obama’s birth could not be found at either Honolulu hospital.

“Halfway down the story it said the long form certificate was not on file at the two hospitals,” Evans said. “It says the hospitals say there’s no birth certificate and says Neil says he couldn’t find it.”

Evans said he continued reading other reports online, including one that quotes a former Honolulu election official as saying no hospital has been able to find Obama’s original long form birth certificate


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01 ... ama-birth/

So the celebrity "journalist" basically reported on WND's trash about Tim Adams.

Maybe some phone calls should be made to the stations that employ this lying buffoon

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Not only that, but I think at this point, I think Tim Adams should be called out for the LSOS that he is.

I know the Hawaii Elections people came out with a statement, but it's not enough.

I don't think that would be a problem at all either. They should say "I don't know where Tim Adams worked, because we don't have access to those records."

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the collective birfer response: willful ignorance (i haz a surprized ... not!)

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... He claims he didn't speak directly to Abercrombie.
Also: his locution sounds evasive and Clintonesque. What does 'speak directly' mean?

After all, Bachmann didn't 'speak directly' to the camera after the SOTU.


11 posted on January 26, 2011 6:05:33 PM EST by agere_contra (Historically every time the Left has 'expanded its moral imagination' the results have been horrific)

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the collective birfer response: willful ignorance (i haz a surprized ... not!)

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... He claims he didn't speak directly to Abercrombie.
Also: his locution sounds evasive and Clintonesque. What does 'speak directly' mean?

After all, Bachmann didn't 'speak directly' to the camera after the SOTU.


11 posted on January 26, 2011 6:05:33 PM EST by agere_contra (Historically every time the Left has 'expanded its moral imagination' the results have been horrific)


Its kind of scary to see what twists of logic they go thru

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He does not admit anything. He “claims” something. It is up to the listener of both interviews to decide which they believe is the truth and which is a lie.

“admits” assumes a belief that the listener of the tape may not have talked to him. They even play parts of the other interview in this tape. I’m about halfway through btw.

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Jeesh, that shill Mike Evans will be yesterday's news soon. Neil's team has, again, stepped Big Time into the kukae. Palafox has stepped down.

http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/brea ... _down.html

The Birfoons will go ballistic inventing new conspiracies about this. I really like Neil but is a 70-ish public servant really up to the job in the 21st century? :(

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The Birfoons will go ballistic inventing new conspiracies about this.

Called it!

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Personally, I just find this story so unsettling. Maybe it's because I've witnessed firsthand evidence pointing to undue pressure being heaved on Hawaii State Government workers. I feel very bad for Dr. Palafox. I cannot imagine being blindsided by my own decision to withdraw my name for an exciting, prestigious position that I was really looking forward to for the reasons being reported. This man had already started setting goals and making plans for his new role as Director of the Department of Health.

And these are ANONYMOUS reports.

[News clippings.]

Smells like the underside of the Obama bus, eh, Dr. Palafox?

At least the anonymous sources didn't accuse you of not knowing Africa is a continent. Of course, sexist America believes that only grown women are that stupid.

So "liberal" Miss Tickly is also a Palin supporter?

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Fox - Celebrity Journalist: I Never Spoke to Hawaii Gov About Obama Birth Certificate

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Evans says he first noticed the story on Jan. 18, when he was reading an online article with the headline, “Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate.” The article cites an interview with a former Honolulu elections clerk who says records of Obama’s birth could not be found at either Honolulu hospital.

“Halfway down the story it said the long form certificate was not on file at the two hospitals,” Evans said. “It says the hospitals say there’s no birth certificate and says Neil says he couldn’t find it.”


That means Evans got started down this path by reading this WND article from July 18. Which ends with:

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WND has also reported that Tim Adams, a former senior elections clerk for the city and county of Honolulu in 2008, has maintained that there is no long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate on file with the Hawaii Department of Health and that neither Honolulu hospital – Queens Medical Center or Kapiolani Medical Center – has any record that Obama was born there.


In other words, WND and Corsi were the indirect cause of this whole Evans fiasco. Corsi writes an article misrepresenting what Abercrombie said, Evans reads that article and says on the radio that Abercrombie told him that directly, and then Corsi reports what Evans said.

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Yep.

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In other words, WND and Corsi were the indirect cause of this whole Evans fiasco. Corsi writes an article misrepresenting what Abercrombie said, Evans reads that article and says on the radio that Abercrombie told him that directly, and then Corsi reports what Evans said.

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It's the circular gossip method. Many decades ago, I used to actually use this in my industry to jerk the chain of a huge competitor, who would get all in a tizzy and shoot itself in the foot reacting to it.

There was a guy who was in a central position in the industry (president of a company that made a key component) who was a huge gossip. I would call him up and say, "Ken, have you heard the rumor that [very big foreign company] is secretly funding us in case [same very big company's paranoid US subsidiary] can't pull off the project? I don't know where this is coming from, but It really has me upset, and there is just no truth to it. I hope you'll scotch it if you hear it."

"Wow, no, I hadn't heard that!" he'd say. But by the next day, everyone would have heard that "I hear [my very tiny company] is denying they're being secretly funded by [very big company] but you know, where there's smoke, there's fire!"

Then [same very big company's paranoid US subsidiary] would go nuts and run around talking about it, and "why would that rumor get started?" and it was the best PR we could possibly have had. Very big foreign companies from across another ocean asked us and, when we told them no, we were not yet aligned, we were offered alliances and funding for our projects from them. So from my own experience, this is how you plant rumors.

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Its called a circlejerk of stupid.

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Butterdebummer posted a transcription of one of Evans' radio interviews in which he relates a "conversation" with Abercrombie in which the governor told Evans that he sent some of his guys to the hospitals WITH A SEARCH WARRANT and they found no BC.

Okay, legal professionals. This one should be easy to debunk. Birthers don't understand the mechanics of obtaining a search warrant.

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We here, need to change the fee schedule. $10 for the 1st COLB requested each year. THEN !!!.....$100 for all copies after that.


I think someone's listening to you:

Hawaii lawmakers want release of Obama birth info

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HONOLULU (AP) -- Five Hawaii Democratic representatives want to pass a law making President Barack Obama's birth records public and charge $100 to see them.

The bill, introduced this week, would change a privacy law barring the release of birth records to anyone unless they have a tangible interest...

Its primary sponsor, Rep. Rida Cabanilla, says she wants to end the controversy surrounding Obama's birth by handing over official state records to those who will pay.

She says the fee would help offset the extra work by state employees who handle frequent phone calls and e-mails from people who believe Obama wasn't born in Hawaii.


Curiously, the folks at FR don't seem thrilled.

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Its primary sponsor, Rep. Rida Cabanilla, says she wants to end the controversy surrounding Obama's birth by handing over official state records to those who will pay.

She says the fee would help offset the extra work by state employees who handle frequent phone calls and e-mails from people who believe Obama wasn't born in Hawaii.



Curiously, the folks at FR don't seem thrilled.


What a total waste of legislative time and effort... not even counting that even if they were stupid enough to pass such a law, and the legal challenge to it failed, it will solve absolutely nothing with the birthers and will only lead to more BC BS.

Aside from that, I'm not the least bit surprised that the freepers are not thrilled at the prospect.

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Aside from that, I'm not the least bit surprised that the freepers are not thrilled at the prospect.


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I know I'm behind on the news - but I think it is soooo great that Hawaii is offering the copy of the COLB for $100. each. Pay up Birfers and you get your own special copy - wonder if World Nut Daily is ordering up some of them - I doubt it. Go Hawaii !!!!!!!!!! I hope the Pres. allows them to do it - all the money could be donated to charities.


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Anyone have a link to the text of this proposed bill to open birth records? I'd like to read it to see whether this woman is proposing exposing all of Hawaii's native-born to identity theft or if she limits the invasion of privacy to the President of the United States.

A Democrat. Geesh, with friends like these...

Edit: Nevermind. I see we have a new thread with the text. It's hard to keep up with the stupidity!

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What a total waste of legislative time and effort... not even counting that even if they were stupid enough to pass such a law, and the legal challenge to it failed, it will solve absolutely nothing with the birthers and will only lead to more BC BS.

x 2, realist.

And on top of that, state officials in Hawaii once again look like the "not ready for primetime players"! #-o #-o Sometimes it seems like no one in public life in this state engages their brain before engaging their mouth. ](*,) ](*,)

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