I am kind of new but have been responding to the birthers for a long time...And I kind of agree with both sides...I like to challenge them because they will eventually cite some discredited site or statement and then you can catch them and basically discredit all of their remaining arguments...Kind of like Mario Apuzzo and the Pakistan travel ban...Once that was discredited, the rest of his nonsense was overshadowed....Challenging the birthers are the best way to deal with them...The will eventually scurry back to their moderated blogs like Dr Kate's or the Post and EFail and complain about us being paid operatives for Obama and Soros, but to the casual observer, it shows their true colors....However trolls like Tracy, Old alt1, Borderraven, Papoose, Robert Laity, or Cody Robert Judy are people that will never change...You can make fun of them. The hate Obama so much they will never accept the fact that he is the President of the US.....Just my 2 cents...

I am also concerned that Fogbow is locked. How on earth are the birthers going to learn the truth if it is hidden from them. I joined PJ because of the birthers and found it to be my natural home. OK we have just had a bit of house cleaning and got rid of a lot of the cobwebs so let us get back to our core reason for being here. As Pluto said, some go all out and some favour guerrilla tactics, I go for the latter but a lot of you do the former marvelously.
The unwritten motto of the Australian Labor Party has always been " If you see a head, kick it" and there are still a lot of heads left in Birfistan.
Lets get back to doing what we do well.
Regards .........Dick

It's unlocked now! Yay!

I wonder sometimes what will happen to those people after Obama leaves office (whether it's after one term or two). Will they go back to whatever crazyass things they were involved in pre-Obama, or will they shift focus from trying to get Obama removed to trying to have everything he did while in office declared null and void? I wonder if their Obama insanity is going to be a lifetime thing or limited to his years as President.

Their hate for Obama is giving them something that they find satisfying -- maybe it's the anger chemicals, maybe they're addicted to the adreniline rush of "doing battle," maybe they find reinforcement with their fellow haters.

Anyway, I think the answer is no. I've known fired-up people who just burned out on the emotion (been that way sometimes myself when the outrage meter gets stuck on max and overloads), but I don't think people who have been manning the barricades then decide "ok, it's over" and generally go back to living quiet lives.

A slight aside and memory -- in the mid-70s, after the VietNam war ended, I went back to the college where I'd been in 1968 to visit with my former roommate who was an assistant professor and an old-school liberal. She really missed the heady days of marching in the streets, but she told me that some of the core gang were getting back together to form a protest organization.

Their first protest target was to be .... kudzu. They were about 40 years too late for that, and I never heard how it worked out for them, but I remember thinking that they were trying to recapture the past feelings of protesting something, no matter how silly.

The animal rights movement is an attempt by similar people to re-live the civil rights movement without any of the personal risk. And on grounds much less noble.

Good point. That makes me think of the play, "Plenty," by British playwright David Hare ("Plenty" was also made into a film in '85 or '86, starring Meryl Streep). It was about a woman who worked as a spy for the Allies in Nazi-occupied France during WWII, but who had problems readjusting to life after the war was over because she realized that those years, dangerous as they were, were the most exciting and fulfilling of her life. Her post-war life was unsatisfying because she felt her life no longer had any purpose.

I am just going to address one thing:



The birfer section of PJ was always locked to non-members. Was it an epic fail then? Even the media had to become members to read the birfer info.

That is correct LM_K. On Politijab the eligibility forums were always closed to non-members. When Foggy started Fogbow and kindly asked for suggestions as to how to make it better many of us asked for him to open up all the forums for viewing so posts could be directly linked. He did that. They are open now.

Just a quick clarification. On PJ, the birther forums were not available without membership, that is true... but primarily so we could keep track of any nefarious ne'er-do-well type people who might try to attack the site itself (or just generally prove to be an incredible nuisance). Brian is a network admin and security expert, so I was not about to argue the point with him. (I also wholeheartedly agreed anyhow.) It also forced everyone to play by the SAME rules as a member, which we all know proved invaluable in certain situations. That was important.

However... that info was always available by web search engines and the like. It was available to anyone who chose to freely register. It wasn't kept under lock and key... merely under reasonable surveillance. Yes, it added an extra step to a direct link, but it was also a prudent precaution. The security of a site needs to be kept in mind alongside the convenience.

Thanks for the clarification, Justin. I didn't mean to suggest there was anything sinister going on originally. However, it meant that if a post in the eligibility section were posted on another site it would not open for a non-member. I know this is not an easy call to make. Many of us thought that it would be great to be able to post links to some of the great information that was available on PJ. You guys were plowing new ground with PJ and I certainly do not question the decision that Brian and you made.

Agreed; I hope I didn't offend by pointing out PJ's policy, Justin. The policy made sense. I had no problem with it.

My comment was to address the claim that closing the birfer threads here to members only for a few days was an "epic fail". Since the birfer threads had been closed to non-members forever, it seemed harsh and unfair to call a brief return to the previous process an "epic fail". Closing the birfer forum to members only was never an "epic fail" on either site.

No offense or sinister intent was taken. Merely wanted to explain the reasons for the original policy so there was no ambiguity on the issue.

Just bumping a thread from several months ago that may be apropos still. I think we all remember the gist of it. Since I am not an owner, or a paid operative (or even a Democrat) and have never read Alinsky or met James Johnson perhaps I am not qualified to say anything, but I do have a strong opinion. Do with it what you will. You are all grown-ups and I wish everyone well but I think personal attacks are wrong. Debunking the Corsi book is one thing, calling people names is another.

I won't post again.

Yes. Yes, we are.

I have to disagree, although the people with whom I am disagreeing are probably, as they tell me, better people than I am. I think personal attacks are FUN. I think Jerome Corsi is a great big dildohead with dicks for ears, shit for brains, and marble-sized bits of oatmeal for testicles.

I am almost certainly a bad person for these thoughts, if they can even be called thoughts.

Is that grown-ups or just grumps???