US v. Trump - Espionage Act - (9:23-cr-80101) District Court, S.D. Florida

[p0rtia]

MSM is treating the Aug court date as a perfunctory filing. A bunch of pundits is saying that there will be no trial before the election.

Curiously, they are all ex-GOP men. They seem to enjoy having flipped from "Be patient, Merrick Garland knows what he's doing," to "Any idiot who thought this would happen before the election is an idiot" (repetition intentional).

I've become a Harry Lipman fan lately, but his "Garland did everything exactly right!" response to the WaPo article was revolting.

[Maybenaut]

I dunno. I think the government is going to expedite the clearance process, and object to every motion for a continuance. The government was ready for trial the day the indictment dropped.

[RVInit]

Interesting that she's holding the trial in Ft Pierce instead of Palm Beach. If the jury is chosen from Palm Beach you would most likely naturally have more Democrats than Republicans on that jury. Ft Pierce is just the opposite. Mar-A-Lago is in Palm Beach, not Ft Pierce, but Cannon is "home ported" in Ft Pierce, which may be her reasoning for holding the trial there. But it definitely gives him an advantage when it comes to the likely jurors. No question on that. I was thinking since the alleged crimes took place in Palm Beach, which is Palm Beach County that the jury should be chosen from that county. Ft Pierce is in St Lucie County. If she's using the courthouse in Ft Pierce they would likely be drawing the jury from St Lucie County, which leans conservative. Not by a huge amount. There are worse places in Florida for the government to have to try Trump, places where they may as well drop the charges, in fact. Anyway, this will make him much happier if he gets a St Lucie County jury than if he gets a Palm Beach County jury.

Edit - I think the Palm Beach County courthouse might still be closed due to Covid, so it could be that Ft Pierce courthouse is closer to Palm Beach County and Miami is further. I hope the jury will come from Palm Beach County where the crimes took place.

[tek]

If the jury comes from Palm Beach County, I might be called for it

[Foggy]

We know you will be fair, tek.

[Foggy]

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One of the most important facets of the trial is the correct application of the Classified Information Procedures Act, or CIPA. I forgotted the definition of graymail.

Edit: This is gonna be a fustercluck, because a rookie judge is in the defendant's camp, and she has to interpret the CIPA. If she messes up, important national secrets might be exposed. Yikes and a half.

[bob]

Any obvious agenda or is this all boilerplate?

Not only is it mostly boilerplate, but don't expect that trial date to stick. I expect several time waivers and continues.

What is slightly more interesting is the pretrial deadlines. Those probably will stick, and are fast approaching. The motions to dismiss, exclude evidence, etc., need attention now.

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Many cultists are upset that FOX didn't pitch softballs. Continued vows to never watch it again, etc.

[bob]

Interesting that she's holding the trial in Ft Pierce instead of Palm Beach.

The venire will be drawn from the entire Southern District, including Miami.

Having said that, a prospective juror's plea of hardship may be more readily received if it would be an extensive commute to the courthouse.

[Ben-Prime]

Interesting that she's holding the trial in Ft Pierce instead of Palm Beach.

The venire will be drawn from the entire Southern District, including Miami.

Having said that, a prospective juror's plea of hardship may be more readily received if it would be an extensive commute to the courthouse.

I leave tomorrow for D.C., then in mid-July for my next overseas post, so I'm going to have my brother check my mail weekly in case I get a summons.

[bob]

I leave tomorrow for D.C., then in mid-July for my next overseas post, so I'm going to have my brother check my mail weekly in case I get a summons.

I will add the federal courts make an effort to summon you to the closest federal courthouse to your residence. I don't which that may be for you.

Similarly, I would expect most Miami residents will be in the downtown-Miami-courthouse pool.

(This is for petit jury service; grand jury service can be less forgiving.)

[Ben-Prime]

I leave tomorrow for D.C., then in mid-July for my next overseas post, so I'm going to have my brother check my mail weekly in case I get a summons.

I will add the federal courts make an effort to summon you to the closest federal courthouse to your residence. I don't which that may be for you.

Similarly, I would expect most Miami residents will be in the downtown-Miami-courthouse pool.

(This is for petit jury service; grand jury service can be less forgiving.)

I live in the Northwestern 'burbs of Broward County. One of my running jokes with Orlylicious is that my brother is the manager of the library branch down the road from my condo.

[Flatpoint High]

Interesting that she's holding the trial in Ft Pierce instead of Palm Beach. If the jury is chosen from Palm Beach you would most likely naturally have more Democrats than Republicans on that jury. Ft Pierce is just the opposite. Mar-A-Lago is in Palm Beach, not Ft Pierce, but Cannon is "home ported" in Ft Pierce, which may be her reasoning for holding the trial there. But it definitely gives him an advantage when it comes to the likely jurors. No question on that. I was thinking since the alleged crimes took place in Palm Beach, which is Palm Beach County that the jury should be chosen from that county. Ft Pierce is in St Lucie County. If she's using the courthouse in Ft Pierce they would likely be drawing the jury from St Lucie County, which leans conservative. Not by a huge amount. There are worse places in Florida for the government to have to try Trump, places where they may as well drop the charges, in fact. Anyway, this will make him much happier if he gets a St Lucie County jury than if he gets a Palm Beach County jury.

Edit - I think the Palm Beach County courthouse might still be closed due to Covid, so it could be that Ft Pierce courthouse is closer to Palm Beach County and Miami is further. I hope the jury will come from Palm Beach County where the crimes took place.

apparently, Loose Cannon lives in St. Lucie County

[RVInit]

Interesting that she's holding the trial in Ft Pierce instead of Palm Beach. If the jury is chosen from Palm Beach you would most likely naturally have more Democrats than Republicans on that jury. Ft Pierce is just the opposite. Mar-A-Lago is in Palm Beach, not Ft Pierce, but Cannon is "home ported" in Ft Pierce, which may be her reasoning for holding the trial there. But it definitely gives him an advantage when it comes to the likely jurors. No question on that. I was thinking since the alleged crimes took place in Palm Beach, which is Palm Beach County that the jury should be chosen from that county. Ft Pierce is in St Lucie County. If she's using the courthouse in Ft Pierce they would likely be drawing the jury from St Lucie County, which leans conservative. Not by a huge amount. There are worse places in Florida for the government to have to try Trump, places where they may as well drop the charges, in fact. Anyway, this will make him much happier if he gets a St Lucie County jury than if he gets a Palm Beach County jury.

Edit - I think the Palm Beach County courthouse might still be closed due to Covid, so it could be that Ft Pierce courthouse is closer to Palm Beach County and Miami is further. I hope the jury will come from Palm Beach County where the crimes took place.

apparently, Loose Cannon lives in St. Lucie County

Yes, I believe she lives in Ft Pierce. That must be why she's holding the trial in that courthouse. It's at least an hour drive from Ft Pierce to Palm Beach,. If the jury is coming from the entire Southern distict some of them would have an awful long drive. I bet they will get a St Lucie County jury. Not the best idea for prosecution. Oh well. There is bound to be a recalcitrant MAGA on the jury no matter what.

[RVInit]

[Foggy]

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[Foggy]

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[AndyinPA]

I haven't decided my answer yet, and IANAL, but doesn't the fourth question imply that he has already been convicted if it's in appeals court?

[W. Kevin Vicklund]

Poll added.

NOTE: You can select up to three (for the attorneys and engineers, (3) ) options in the poll, and you can change your vote, which may very well be convenient in case I (or p0rtia) decide to edit the poll based upon future developments.

Carry on.

FIFY

[Estiveo]

My other option for the poll is Trump suffers a debilitating brain aneurysm right before jury selection & spends the rest of his miserable life in an uncomfortable hospital bed, in the shittiest room at Mar-a-gogo, unable to communicate, with his only human contact being large, black, male nurses, because that's how Melania wants it.

[Foggy]

I haven't decided my answer yet, and IANAL, but doesn't the fourth question imply that he has already been convicted if it's in appeals court?

No, some of the lawyers think he will appeal pretrial rulings, just to cause delay.

[Foggy]

... debilitating brain aneurysm ...

Oh yeah.

[Foggy]

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[AndyinPA]

I haven't decided my answer yet, and IANAL, but doesn't the fourth question imply that he has already been convicted if it's in appeals court?

No, some of the lawyers think he will appeal pretrial rulings, just to cause delay.

Okay, then that will probably be my answer.

[Maybenaut]

I haven't decided my answer yet, and IANAL, but doesn't the fourth question imply that he has already been convicted if it's in appeals court?

No, some of the lawyers think he will appeal pretrial rulings, just to cause delay.

[W. Kevin Vicklund]

The primary elections will start as his 5th lawyer is submitting a response to the Show Cause order for what will be Trump's 3rd contempt of court citation.