kimba wrote:
Well it really doesn't pay to sleep. After reading what transpired since 9 last night, here's all I have to say - I hate the idea of people coming here and protraying themselves as "good birther" and "wronged birther". Birthism is all bad. maxbond and Calpurnia and others who might be here, lurking or not, turn your backs on birthism and its players, walk away, never look back and get on with your lives. Our courts aren't meant for you to try to exact petty revenge. Even if you manage to get a successful legal action, it won't satisfy you. Let it go. Stop reliving the perceived wrongs. Don't even read at this site anymore. Involvement in birthism ruins everyone it touches. It is shit most foul. Anyone who thinks they can just dabble in it or get even slightly involved with its key players and not get any on them, is foolish in my opinion. Participating in debunking birthism, is not dabbling in it.
I would like to go one step further, and explain in my own words why this is so.
Offtopic :
The above quoted out of the Liberi v. Taitz thread, and discussion among Calpernia, maxbond, and others. It got so long I decided to break open a new thread.
The essence of Liberi v. Taitz is not in itself an eligibility claim. Why then are we so ready to impugn 'birthism,' as opposed to, say, simple hyperreactivity, vendetta, fraud, abuse of the courts, ignorance of the law, and plain stupidity?
Because those traits ARE the essence of birthism.
You CAN'T BE a birther, unless you:
- Have such a conspiratorial, narcissistic mindset, combined with hatred of Obama and/or liberals and/or non-whites, that you are literally deaf, dumb, and blind to the Constitution and the law, as well as to reason and commonsense -- or
- Are willing to playact at (1) in order to further political ends by exciting fear, doubt, and hatred in susceptible people through the use of lies.
In the old game of "Ignorant or Evil," those are the two extremes. Corsi is evil. Lakin is ignorant. Berg is hyper-ignorant. Orly is evil and ignorant. Butterdezillion is crazy.
Birthers wrap themselves in the flag and set it on fire.
Advising someone to disentangle themselves from Birthers is like advising them to disentangle themselves from child-slave traffickers, or puppy-torturers. The 'class' is tainted by definition.
Consider the fact that the more extreme end of the right-wing/conservative/Libertarian/Tea Party/Republican cadre -- the end most infected with the 'usurper' meme -- thinks
nothing of praying for armed insurrection.
These are not just the scum that you would always have been able to find in dark corners during ANY administration. These are housewives, retirees, your neighbors. It has become common parlance to invoke the idea of Civil War as a solution to an administration one doesn't agree with.
How did such an UN-American, despicable, corrosive, dangerous and unlawful idea take hold? You recognize that if it were actually come to pass it would risk the destruction of the USA, entirely?
I'm not concern-trolling here -- I have a point. It took hold because of birthism, and because of the Republican leadership's coy unwillingness to denounce it. The essence of birthism is a claim that goes directly to the root of law. If we somehow elected an impostor, or a fraud, then the country unravels. Why should Lakin deploy? Why should I stop at a red light?
(By the way, this is exactly WHY the Republican leadership
haven't embraced birthism -- it's a bridge too far (so far). They'd love to discredit and destroy Obama -- that's normal. And telling lies to do it would be nothing new in Washington. But in birthism I think they see the possibility of taking down republican democracy. Throwing the baby out with the bathwater.)
Birther's aren't just claiming that the chief executive got a blowjob, or lied, or assassinated someone, or embezzled, or defied Congress, or waged illegal war, or any of a hundred attacks that have been levied against previous Presidents -- truly and falsely -- that all have a discrete, defined legal underpinning, and consequence.
They are claiming Obama is a
nothing. They want to
nullify two years of law. It is the
ultimate in racism, by the way. What a coincidence that the first President to be attacked with theories that
he is actually a nobody happens also to be the first black President! To hear the birthers talk, you would think there is no racism anywhere in America (I have ranted about this elsewhere).
And all of this -- this existential, destructive, gnawing, corrosive, hateful attack on the
very essence of America -- this utter abandonment of basic Constitutional principles by so-called Patriots -- is based on NOTHING. In the thousands and thousands of pages, millions of words, of every birther law suit, every birther web site, every birther post, there is not ONE FACT that even begins to hint (let alone prove!) to a rational mind that Obama is not a natural-born citizen. It is an elementary and completely uncontroversial conclusion --
-- unless you're a birther.
One of the bits of nonsense I see at Free Republic and other places that confuzzles me the most, is when they talk about what will happen
after Obama is proven to be not nbc and is frogmarched out of the WH in leg irons. One of the things they predict is that the liberal establishment will rise up in fury and rebellion!
That's how far gone they are. They actually think that regular Americans (be they liberals, or whatever) would tolerate a non-nbc President. Would prefer to see such a fundamental breach of the Constitution, in order to stay "in power." I find it a very telling bit of hallucination. It tells me that THEY would tolerate such a fundamental breach of the Constitution to get in or stay in power.
Just because the active birthers are a tiny fringe, does not mean their ideas [sic] are not of concern.
Yeah. I don't want to associate with those people.
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