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I don't think this was already posted. If so, please forgive.


They have the smoking gun. It's over.

idunno. Maybe one of you can figure this out. I can't hear it. And there's the little detail that she didn't get one? Or, if she did, how do we know?

via Birther Report:

Sunday, October 17, 2010
New Research: Note to Obots; Woman Ordering Long-Form Birth Certificate from the Hawaii Department of Health in 2010.
ObamaRelease YourRecords on 2:27 PM


There's even a dedication:
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This is dedicated to the Obots that continue to spread lies by saying a long-form BC can no longer be obtained by the Hawaii DOH.
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Well Kittens. A long form Hawaiian birth certificate can absolutely be had if you specifically request it.

Here ya go. I provided a transcript for the woman, I could not make out what the man was saying. The recording device has marginal audio capabilities, so if you want to hear what the woman says, you will need to crank it up. I do not have the equipment to extract the mans words, or clean up the audio so that you can more easily hear the woman. Although you do not hear the part where she makes the request for the long form, the fact that she did so is made clear by her comments...

Video below, complete details and much more info/commentary at source; http://myveryownpointofview.wordpress.c ... ical-truth


http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot ... woman.html

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There you have it. :?

From the linked source:

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Transcript:

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“Alright, (crackling) Do you……how long does it take? Is there an expedited fee? Or…… Cause I can come back…I can come over and pick it up in person too. It’s just (inaudible) …it’s just right across the street (inaudible) cause it turns out…all I,… I thought I had it, but all I have is that Certificate of Live Birth, it’s not the same. You said it’s ten dollars? Yes sir. ”


PS. I have to go on a search for it, but not long ago Hawaii changed the language on the COLB from Certification of Live Birth to Certificate of Live Birth ~ so now both forms of the birth certificate have the same title. Which explains why the woman thought she had the proper form for her requirements, then found that the abbreviated COLB was insufficient. Answer provided by Epicurious in comments: “Sometime in October 2008.”


In case you missed it, the investigator asks the clerk for the Late/delayed index and or the Foreign index, and also asked if the birth indexes she had already viewed were “all inclusive?” The clerk stated; “We don’t have Late or Foreign indexes”.

Ummmm…..why not? We have proof that those exist. Why is she telling the public that they don’t have them?


http://myveryownpointofview.wordpress.c ... cal-truth/

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I don't think this was already posted. If so, please forgive.

They have the smoking gun. It's over.

idunno. Maybe one of you can figure this out. I can't hear it. And there's the little detail that she didn't get one? Or, if she did, how do we know?

via Birther Report:

Sunday, October 17, 2010
New Research: Note to Obots; Woman Ordering Long-Form Birth Certificate from the Hawaii Department of Health in 2010.
ObamaRelease YourRecords on 2:27 PM

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Although you do not hear the part where she makes the request for the long form, the fact that she did so is made clear by her comments...


I hope someone speaks birfer better than I. ;;)

I speak a little birfer. The highlighted sentence translates as:

"Although every citizen does not individually get to actually handle Obama's certified COLB personally, the fact that he has one and that it is legitimate is made clear by all the evidence..."

...oh wait... wrong lexicon... hold on... hold on... malfunction.... malfu.... hold on please...........

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They have the smoking gun. It's over.

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Sunday, October 17, 2010


Hilarious. Underneath the video on YouTube it says: "This film was taken in the Dept. of Health, Honolulu HI in mid-July" So she never returned from across the street to pick up and dramatically unfurl her "long-form"? Why not?


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I don't think this was already posted. If so, please forgive.


They have the smoking gun. It's over.

idunno. Maybe one of you can figure this out. I can't hear it. And there's the little detail that she didn't get one? Or, if she did, how do we know?


It's funny that they even keep up on their website this snippet that specifies whan the DOH will look for information from the "long form", they don't supply a copy of the "long form":
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In order to process your application,DHHL [Department of Hawaiian Home Lands]utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL.

When requesting a certified copy of your birth certificate from the Vital Records Section of DOH,let the clerk know you are requesting it “For DHHL Purposes,” and that you need a copy of the original Certificate of Live Birth and not the computer-generated Certification.”


Sounds as if the lady may have been looking native enough not to be questioned on her request.


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Speaking of long form B/Cs, whatever happened to that woman Miki Booth who was going to get her sons long form from Hawaii. I have a felling that it didn't turn out real well.
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:o Imagine that, comments are disabled on that youtube! :o

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mimi wrote:

They have the smoking gun. It's over.

via Birther Report:

Sunday, October 17, 2010


Hilarious. Underneath the video on YouTube it says: "This film was taken in the Dept. of Health, Honolulu HI in mid-July" So she never returned from across the street to pick up and dramatically unfurl her "long-form"? Why not?


Well, one would have to assume then that she collaborates with the birfer who took the video, since, unless he works there, he cannot wait the entire stretch of five days or more to be sure to be there when she collects it. A bit a stretch of the imagination to believe a native Hawaiian would collaborate with birfers, but let's suppose for the purpose of the argument.

One educated guess would be that the document she finally received looks so unlike a birth certificate (even the long-forms Hawaii issued before 2007) that they do not dare to show it on YouTube.

Another, naughtier, explanation would be that the form has a little formula at the bottom saying "any attempt to use this document for other than DHHL purposes, invalidates it" (or alternatively "... is an offence which will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.") If she really needs the document, that would make her think twice about collaborating on a birfer video.

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Paul Pieniezny wrote:
elliewyatt wrote:
mimi wrote:

They have the smoking gun. It's over.

via Birther Report:

Sunday, October 17, 2010


Hilarious. Underneath the video on YouTube it says: "This film was taken in the Dept. of Health, Honolulu HI in mid-July" So she never returned from across the street to pick up and dramatically unfurl her "long-form"? Why not?


Well, one would have to assume then that she collaborates with the birfer who took the video, since, unless he works there, he cannot wait the entire stretch of five days or more to be sure to be there when she collects it. A bit a stretch of the imagination to believe a native Hawaiian would collaborate with birfers, but let's suppose for the purpose of the argument.

One educated guess would be that the document she finally received looks so unlike a birth certificate (even the long-forms Hawaii issued before 2007) that they do not dare to show it on YouTube.

Another, naughtier, explanation would be that the form has a little formula at the bottom saying "any attempt to use this document for other than DHHL purposes, invalidates it" (or alternatively "... is an offence which will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.") If she really needs the document, that would make her think twice about collaborating on a birfer video.

I have a different explanation.

I'm not sure the heavy-set woman filmed at the clerk's window WAS collaborating with the film's maker. I think she had the film running, because she wasn't sure when she would be called to the window, and didn't want to be seen starting the tape. So she taped the customer ahead of her. It just happens to be whatever it is, and she really has no idea what it is. It could very well be a native Hawaiian, and a complete stranger. Notice the film doesn't even wait to capture the very end of that transaction, because then the film maker is called to a different window.

Mostly, it makes me sad for all the public servants in the various Hawaii health and clerk offices, being assaulted with all this crap.

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Speaking of long form B/Cs, whatever happened to that woman Miki Booth who was going to get her sons long form from Hawaii. I have a felling that it didn't turn out real well.
Regards ..............Dick


Good question.

"Danae" has posted over at FReep what she represents to be her long form BC. Except across the top of the form are emblazoned the words


CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH

It is typewritten and does identify the hospital where the baby was born (Kaiser Foundation Hospital) in 1969. The name and signature of the attending physician (Larry R. Moncur M.D.) also appear on the COLB. Otherwise, the form is quite abbreviated and contains no more substantive information than found on Obama's COLB.

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Of course, this is simply a SCAN of some Certificate of Live Birth that she uploaded. With all the redactions there is no way to discern whether it is the “proof” that Danae claims it is. Dianna Cotter's real name is splashed all over the intertoobz so it is no secret, so why the redaction of her name from this document? And where is the authentication that this was issued by the State of Hawaii? How do we know Danae didn’t Photoshop it? After all, it is a scan and there is no visible raised seal.

What’s good for the goose …


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Doesn't give the date when it was issued. So I call b.s. And it's not a Homelands certificate, either.

More lies from the birfers.

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signature of the attending physician (Larry R. Moncur M.D.) also appear on the COLB.


The doctor's signature is a forgery. No doctor's signature looks like that.


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Of course, this is simply a SCAN of some Certificate of Live Birth that she uploaded. With all the redactions there is no way to discern whether it is the “proof” that Danae claims it is. Dianna Cotter's real name is splashed all over the intertoobz so it is no secret, so why the redaction of her name from this document? And where is the authentication that this was issued by the State of Hawaii? How do we know Danae didn’t Photoshop it? After all, it is a scan and there is no visible raised seal.

What’s good for the goose …


Yea, but it has the speshul word that makes it legit....Caucasian

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Doesn't give the date when it was issued. So I call b.s. And it's not a Homelands certificate, either.

More lies from the birfers.


As I recall from some posts on PJ, wasn't danae telling Freepers that she'd be posting her new long form BC, which she requested in 2010? Trying to pretend that Hawaii DOH still issues those? She surely got a short form like Obama's in the mail, with a succinct form letter from DOH saying that the DOH short form meets all of the requirements for birth certificates. Of course, she doesn't want to "make ass", as we'd say here, & look like a fool among her fellow Birthers & Freepers. So she could have scanned her old BC that she's had all along? :roll: Pathetic how Birthers just :^o

My apologies for not taking the time to read through Freeper threads, but did some PJers call her on this, or remind her of her boast that she'd soon have a long form Hawaii BC issued in 2010?
Edit: If you check Doc C's, you'll see Danae give even more damning evidence that she's a liar. If she's an honest woman who supports families?...She owes a $200 donation to KMCWC :hug: Just sending you the love Danae. One kamaaina to another, you kolohe girl [-X .

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Of course, this is simply a SCAN of some Certificate of Live Birth that she uploaded. With all the redactions there is no way to discern whether it is the “proof” that Danae claims it is. Dianna Cotter's real name is splashed all over the intertoobz so it is no secret, so why the redaction of her name from this document? And where is the authentication that this was issued by the State of Hawaii? How do we know Danae didn’t Photoshop it? After all, it is a scan and there is no visible raised seal.

What’s good for the goose …


Yea, but it has the speshul word that makes it legit....Caucasian


Where is the security paper?

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Using birther logic:-
That document has been altered so it is not valid and how would she get a drivers licence if she referred the issuing authority to a web site. Obviously it is a forgery.
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Amazing how the "Danae" COLB looks exactly like the 1979-issued "Janna" COLB. Without an issue date, a signature from the DOH certifying that this is a true and authenticate copy of the original record, a raised seal and security paper, how are we to know that Dianna Cotter didn't simply dress up her original 1969-issued document?

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To date over at Dr C's we have the following "concerns" as to the purported document (I'm sure I could work "Usurper" in with a bit of help......)

Not on security paper
No seal
No current signature to go with said seal
No contemperaneous (to be fully Birfoon) current issue date stamp
No “This copy serves as prima….”
No “Any alteration invalidates….”

Never been a hospital in Honolulu called Kaiser Foundation Hospital; its always been known as Kaiser Medical Center or Moanalua Medical Center or the Kaiser Permanente Honolulu Clinic.
Kaiser Foundation Hospital is the name of the group (foundation) that runs the individual hospitals in Hawaii, its not a SPECIFIC hospital.

Now, I won't go Full Metal Birfoon and start whittering on about font differences, suspicious fadings, misaligned text etc, I do have at least a shred of intellectual honesty.... :twisted:

However, the links are attached, feel free to peruse...

http://s56.photobucket.com/albums/g172/ ... heBet1.jpg

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-new ... ;page=1151

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Maybe it was redacted but the long form seems to be curiously missing the check-box that says "Secretly born in Kenya, but Grandmother registered birth here."

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 10:48 am 
Yes, it is completely possible to see one's Long-form BC. If one orders a Certified copy of a Birth Certificate, he or she will what Obama allegally posted whch is COLB. However, Hawaii Law allow for public inspection of all records pertaining your birth which would include a long-form BC. Assuming you qualify under the requirements of the Hawaii Statute, there is no way Hawaii can deny you your long-form BC. If they do, then they are breaking the law.


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That's the exact type of birth certificate they would not accept when I applied for my passport.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 11:10 am 
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurren ... 8-0001.htm

"Public health statistics" includes the registration, preparation, transcription, collection, compilation, and preservation of data pertaining to births, adoptions, legitimations, deaths, fetal deaths, morbidity, marital status, and data incidental thereto.

I would take this definition to include any and all records pertaining to someone whose birth was located in Hawaii.

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurren ... 8-0018.htm

§338-18 Disclosure of records.

(b) The department shall not permit inspection of public health statistics records, or issue a certified copy of any such record or part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant has a direct and tangible interest in the record. The following persons shall be considered to have a direct and tangible interest in a public health statistics record:

(1) The registrant;

(2) The spouse of the registrant;

(3) A parent of the registrant;

(4) A descendant of the registrant;

(5) A person having a common ancestor with the registrant;

(6) A legal guardian of the registrant;

(7) A person or agency acting on behalf of the registrant;


So assuming you qualify under the statute, you have the right to see and inspect your long-form BC from Hawaii. However, if you choose to order a certified copy, you will receive the COLB. But, there is no way Hawaii can deny you access to your long-form BC if in fact the Hawaii DOH does have it on file.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 11:16 am 
Actually, according to Hawaii Law, it might be possible to get access to Obama's records afterall. While it is not possible to inspect them or order certified copies, verification of any date contained in such records in easier to get:

§338-18 Disclosure of records.

(g) The department shall not issue a verification in lieu of a certified copy of any such record, or any part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant requesting a verification is:
(5) An individual employed, endorsed, or sponsored by a governmental, private, social, or educational agency or organization who seeks to confirm information about a vital event relating to any such record in preparation of reports or publications by the agency or organization for research or educational purposes.


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The problem with the Danae COLB is that it appears to bear no certification at all. It is (I am quite comfortable conceding) a photocopy of her "long form." Every time I have requested a birth or death record in my family history pursuit (and I have done so hundreds of times) the document I receive bears the date the copy was issued. My own California "long form" reflects my 1956 birth, but a date of issue of "JUN 30 1980" since that was when they sent me the copy I requested.

Danae may have shown that she possesses a copy of her "long form." But to this point she has provided exactly zero evidence that it was issued as response to a contemporary request.

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Her form looks exactly like the one I got from the State of Louisiana. At the time I ordered mine (crica 2000), it was a photocopy of the original printed onto security paper. I've scanned/copied my own B/C before. There are some security features that show though.

Like the border around the paper.

Or, the date stamp from when it was issued.

It's a fake.

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