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PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 8:52 pm 
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Yep, he's responding with the typical political non-answer.

Someone did write him back.

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That may be true, but you did not address the issue I see, that of playing politics by putting forth false information, actually demonstrably, verifiably false. If you respect that he's the duly elected president, you should not be pandering to those who do not think so. That is part of the whole problem with what's going on in Washington now.

Mr. Teague did not make this an issue. You made this an issue with your remarks. Reporting it was what news organizations do. Huffpo is not the only place it was reported. I've not checked Fox yet, but if they pick it up (and/or the "conservative" blogs and news outlets) they will be using your quotes to champion their ridiculous claims. If you don't believe he's illegally holding office, have a backbone and say so, rather than perpetuate lies about nonexistent travel bans and the Supreme Court looking into cases they are not.

Your reply is as much disingenuous as your remarks were at the meeting. Stand up and be counted. That's what the American people are asking of their elected representatives.

I, frankly, don't like Mr. Teague as a candidate. I very clearly understand "politics" but your remarks in this regard cross over the line in my opinion, and many others I've spoken to about it, and they are certainly not "liberals" by any stretch.

Thank you at least for taking the time to respond.

XXX


I also have it on good authority that this responder's initial email was not quite this nice. :P

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 9:35 pm 
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I also have it on good authority that this responder's initial email was not quite this nice.


It doesn't need to be too nice. He is saying something in a sneaky way as a dogwhistle to the faithful and he thinks he's being clever saying it's not an issue "in this election". What does that even mean? I am in favor of jumping on these mofos with both feet. It's even better when the call-out comes from someone in the candidate/representative's district. Nice work by this responder. =D>


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 5:32 am 
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[highlight]Obama’s citizenship is not an issue in this race.[/highlight]
That's pretty much what he said to the lady who wore sunglasses.

Paraphrasing, he said he'd jump in if eligibility was taken up by Congress, but it's not his top priority. Something about you can only fight two or three major battles in a year ... let the courts handle eligibility (and the Supremes are doing so) ... it's not our "consummate" fight.

Basically, jobs are more important and he's not making a big deal out of the constitutional crisis of biblical (J.B. Williams says "more than monumental") proportions.

Which is STUPID. If the president really was an illegal usurper, even I would think that was a huge priority over almost anything else. If he really, honestly thought that the president at one time had a foreign passport, why the hell isn't it a priority?

I think most hard-core birfers will say of him what Orly said about Phil: He's a stealth Obot, a false leader, sent to "cloud the issues".

And ... somebody play Uncle Spike's bwoon ... the flag in the room has gold fringe on it. :shock:

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 11:20 am 
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Congratulations, Mr. Pearce. Whether you like it or not (and I suspect you do), you are now aligned with the craziest, wackiest birther of them all, Queen of Birthers Orly Taitz,hxxxttp://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=14580.

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Contact Steve Pearce, Republican N.M. If he signs a pledge to bring Obama’s illegitimacy to presidency to the House judicial committee, we will support his candidacy and we will deliver donations and votes for him


NM is so proud of you... NOT.

What a moron.

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mari wrote:
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Thank you at least for taking the time to respond.

XXX


but it was awfully nice of the emailer to send Mssr. Pearce kisses... :-


xxx


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Bible Spice has weighed in on Steve Pearce's side - just gave him an endorsement today...surprise, surprise. :roll:

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"He said, after he came to the U.S., that he traveled to Pakistan."

Does that or does that not imply that he first came to the U.S. some time AFTER he traveled to Pakistan at age 20?


I don't think it implies that. I see how the punctuation might confuse things a bit, but I'm pretty sure he's trying to say 'Obama traveled to Pakistan after he came to the US.'

Obviously that raises *other* questions (came to the US from where? Indonesia? Hawaii? Um, Kenya?), but I don't think he's disputing Obama's entire childhood narrative.

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Maybe Pearce doesn't think it is an issue in this race, but the birthers will certainly harass him to make it so. From Orly's site:

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Is this guy Steve Pearce from another planet?

He said that we should be focused on the economy. Uh, Steve; you are flat out WRONG.

We should be focused on getting the usurper Obama out of the White House. And by the way, Steve, the Constitution says that obama is not eligible to be the POTUS.

The Constitution is way more important than the economy. Without the Constitution, there would be no economy. Heck, there would be no country, without the Constitution.

Please Steve Pearce, enough of the stupidity.

xxxhttp://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=14591

I love how the birthers get a dog whistle from a potential ally and then attack him before he is even in a position to help them. Stupidity all around.

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Las Cruces Sun-News

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Pearce has a "birther" moment at town hall
By Daniel Balke / For the Sun-News
Posted: 10/21/2010 01:00:00 AM MDT

New Mexico faces a bleak landscape. Unemployment is above 8 percent. Education ranks among the bottom in the country. Thousands of people still lack quality health care.

So, what's on Steve Pearce's mind?

President Obama's citizenship.

Speaking at a town hall event in Los Lunas on Sept. 30, Pearce pledged to a concerned questioner that, if he returns to Congress, he would support concerted efforts to determine once and for all whether the president was born in the United States. Obama's travel to Pakistan when he was 20 years old, Pearce continued, came at a time when U.S. passport-holders were forbidden from doing so. Given that, the Hobbs native said, there might be merit to "birther" claims that Obama was born abroad and is constitutionally barred from being president.

Get real.

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By Daniel Balke / For the Sun-News
Posted: 10/21/2010 01:00:00 AM MDT

New Mexico faces a bleak landscape. Unemployment is above 8 percent. Education ranks among the bottom in the country. Thousands of people still lack quality health care.

So, what's on Steve Pearce's mind?

President Obama's citizenship.

...

Maybe there's a connection.

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Pearce has a "birther" moment at town hall
By Daniel Balke / For the Sun-News
Posted: 10/21/2010 01:00:00 AM MDT

New Mexico faces a bleak landscape. Unemployment is above 8 percent. Education ranks among the bottom in the country. Thousands of people still lack quality health care.

So, what's on Steve Pearce's mind?

President Obama's citizenship.
[...]


oh. I thought that youtube was posted.


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I saw that story at the time it came out. Upon seeing it, I know a couple of TFBers fired off some pretty strongly-worded emails to Mr. Pearce. He replied, but avoided the questions and comments by stating Mr. Teague, his opponent, would do anything to distract from the real issues in the case, blah, blah, blah.

I wrote him back telling him it was not Mr. Teague that made birtherism an issue, it was him with his remarks. I did have copies of some of the emails... I'll see if I can dig them up.

Unfortunately, it appears Mr. Pearce will regain his seat in his race against Mr. Teague. And, frankly, Teague is not much better, but at least he's not a birther/conspiracy nut.

This is a copy of one of the emails he was sent.

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Dear Mr. Pearce:
>
> While I admittedly do not live in your district, I am a resident of New
> Mexico since 1970.
>
> I recently read a piece in Huffpo http://www.huffingtonpost
> com/2010/10/06/steve-pearce-obama-birther-questions_n_752475.html which, in part, related your answer to a query from, supposedly, one of your constituents regarding the question of President Obama's citizenship to be eligible to be President of the United States.
>
> I was appalled at what I read regarding your response. You have a section
> called "Truth Watch" on your website. It is apparent you do not adhere to
> that concept yourself.
>
> What you related to your constituents was false information, (frankly, a
> blatant lie), in total, regarding a travel ban to Pakistan during the time
> President Obama stated in one of his books he traveled there. There was
> not then nor has there ever been a travel ban to Pakistan for U. S.
> citizens... quite the opposite. The information is easily obtainable from the
> Department of State website, an article promoting tourist travel in the
> New York Times during that period, a period in fact when Ronald Reagan was promoting tourist travel with Pakistan; All the information to prove your
> statements false may be seen here: https://docs.google
> Com/present/view?id=dg3f9f2m_1227hqx9ddf
>
> I understand politics and I understand a candidate pandering to his
> constituency. What I don't understand and can not support, nor encourage
> many friends I have who do live in your district to support is blatant,
> out-and-out lies to pander to that vote.
>
> If you have any integrity at all (which, if it was not previously, is now
> certainly in question), you will retract your lie regarding any ban on
> travel to Pakistan during the time President Obama admittedly visited
> there.
>
> You are also completely wrong/misinformed on your statement that the
> courts are looking into any eligibility "birther" case. To date 71 have been
> filed and 71 dismissed. The Supreme Court of the United States has never
> granted any writs or petitons on any which have been brought to their doors.
> There is a Petition for Writ of Certiorari before them that was recently filed
> by a New Jersey attorney Mr. Mario Apuzzo, which is no different on its face
> than any others. That is the only thing before them at this time.
>
> I urge you to retract your statements, admit you were mistaken in your
> understanding." You can do so without admitting to out-and-out lying if
> you wish, but as a New Mexican I urge you to do so.
>
> I am copying Mr. Teague on this email.


This was his reply:

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Date: 10/6/2010 5:40:02 PM
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Subject: Re: Mr. Pearce's Recent Comments Re: Pakistan Travel and SCOTUS Looking into "birther" cases.


Harry Teague’s liberal allies at The Huffington Post are attempting to
make an issue where none exists. Obama’s citizenship is not an issue in
this race. He’s the duly elected President and I respect that. This
election is going to be determined by who is creating jobs not blog
stories. I will create jobs and cut spending. Teague won’t.


This was sent in response to his non-reply above:

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Subject: Re: Mr. Pearce's Recent Comments Re: Pakistan Travel and SCOTUS Looking into "birther" cases.

That may be true, but you did not address the issue I see, that of playing politics by putting forth false information, actually demonstrably, verifiably false. If you respect that he's the duly elected president, you should not be pandering to those who do not think so. That is part of the whole problem with what's going on in Washington now.

Mr. Teague did not make this an issue. You made this an issue with your remarks. Reporting it was what news organizations do. Huffpo is not the only place it was reported. I've not checked Fox yet, but if they pick it up (and/or the "conservative" blogs and news outlets) they will be using your quotes to champion their ridiculous claims. If you don't believe he's illegally holding office, have a backbone and say so, rather than perpetuate lies about nonexistent travel bans and the Supreme Court looking into cases they are not.

Your reply is as much disingenuous as your remarks were at the meeting. Stand up and be counted. That's what the American people are asking of their elected representatives.

I, frankly, don't like Mr. Teague as a candidate. I very clearly understand "politics" but your remarks in this regard cross over the line in my opinion, and many others I've spoken to about it, and they are certainly not "liberals" by any stretch.



I also read this comment to him regarding the remarks he made in that speech.

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Your remarks at your recent meeting have now caught the attention of the Queen of Birthers, Orly Taitz. You should be very proud to be linked to one so absolutely crazy.

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=14580

Contact Steve Pearce, Republican N.M. If he signs a pledge to bring Obama’s illegitimacy to presidency to the House judicial committee, we will support his candidacy and we will deliver donations and votes for him

She then publishes the article written about your remarks.

NM is so proud... unbelievable.


His district might as well be West Texas... nuff said.

I deleted the names and email addresses of the emails sent to Mr. Pearce.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 23, 2010 6:32 pm 
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His district might as well be West Texas... nuff said.


What makes you think that Hobbs isn't part of West Texas?


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His district might as well be West Texas... nuff said.


What makes you think that Hobbs isn't part of West Texas?


:lol:

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Among other visitors to Pakistan in 1981 was Pope John Paul II in February, and the entire western press retinue that goes with him.

http://www.iisg.nl/today/en/17-02.php

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Among other visitors to Pakistan in 1981 was Pope John Paul II in February, and the entire western press retinue that goes with him.

http://www.iisg.nl/today/en/17-02.php


Yeah but I'm pretty sure Popes don't travel on US passports. ;)

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From Snopes this morning: a really creepy ad for Pakistan International Airlines from 1979, touting their NY to Paris route. Features an airliner's shadows against the Twin Towers. Shows that PIA regularly landed in NYC and employed a psychic in their ad department.
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http://www.snopes.com/rumors/photos/pia.asp

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