Because of Polland's latest video showcasing his "3Ll!T3" skills in photo manipulation to forge a Hawaii COLB, I went ahead and requested a copy of my COLB from Hawaii

There have been changes made, in so far, not as extreme, but the certificate form was updated in October of 2008, but it does not add any information to the form that we already know of.

These are the notable changes:
1) They are now calling the certificate "Certificate of Live Birth" - No longer "Certification of Live Birth"
2) "State of Hawaii Honolulu" and "Department of Health Hawaii U.S.A" that appeared on the left side and right side of the seal at the top, is now together on the top left but as "State of Hawaii Department of Health"
3) That means the Certificate number that appeared under "Department of Health Hawaii U.S.A." has now moved to the top right.


Everything else is the same, except for the Revision note at the bottom which now shows 10/08 instead of the 11/01 date that has been in use since 2001.


full ( back and front)



11/01 Form for reference:

Thanks for doing this, Dee. Is it okay if I posted the new image to my blog at some point?

I hope someone points out to them that the DHHL web page needs to be updated. It still says that

I have no problem with that. I know that states wil change their forms as Hawaii did several times (the 70's forms look different from teh 80's forms, and so forth) so it comes as no surprise that Hawaii changed their form.

I do however find it funny, that they call their COLB now "Certificate" instead of "Certification"

Perhaps the change from "certification" to "certificate" relates to the fact that they no longer provide the "long form" or what the nutjobs claims is "legal" so now that they provide only the one form they changed the name to reflect that this document is THE document.

That's probably very poorly worded, but I'm posting from my phone and I can't see what I'm typing.

That's the interesting part, because if Birfoons had their way ever for DISCOVERY, the document Hawaii would provide a court would be called a birth certificate, after all.

Birfer heads are gonna asplode!

All that screaming that a certification is not a certificate...

Ha Ha Ha! Hawaii is messing with the birthers!

Thanks for posting DeeLite. I notice that the raised seal is hardly visible in the online version but when I downloaded a copy and reduced the brightness it popped right out. This is the same phenomenon that caused the birthers to go crazy when the first poor quality image was first posted on DailyKos and the seal wasn't visible. It was only when nbc (I think) greatly increased the contrast that it was visible. Of course, on the hi res images that FactCheck posted the seal was easily seen.

also, my new scanner actually scans to PDF , which is already compressing the image. My original COLB that i scanned back awhile ago was done on a DIFFERENT scanner, and that was scanned as a BMP and as a TIFF.

That is why there is a difference in lighting and quality. I also could change the type of scan on my old scanner, whereas on the new one, its controled by my printer/scanner/copier.

Also, my original COLB, the seal wasn't as prominent as in my new one. And that I can attribute to that the EMBOSSING seal could have been worn or not applied as heavily as on the new on. That happens.

After all the "where's the raised seal" nonsense, I bet whoever applies the seal now pushes really really hard, swears a little in Hawaiian, and says " I got your raised seal."

So Obama's COLB is no longer valid. And he has to leave office. Damn.

This change is proof positive that the Obama Nazi brownshirt thugs are in cahoots with Hawaii DOH.

Well, clearly, since they've changed the format,that means you're no longer a natural born citizen and everything you ever knew about yourself is just wrong, wrong, wrong. You should probably deport yourself immediately.

1. If President Obama offers one of these newfangled modern doohickeys, birfer heads will assplode.

2. It lists mother's race as "Japanese," which is equivalent to Obama's father's race being "African". Birfers are still going to be saying "No, Japanese is not a race, any more than African is a race. Plenty of white Africans out there. The correct name of the races are 'Oriental' and 'Black'."

3. Thanks, DeeLite, for bringing us up to speed. Birfers, we welcome you to the 21st century, should you care to join us.

Hai, let 'em get used to the rotary dial phone first before whippin' out the fancy stuff, eh?

After you have waterboarded yourself many, many times!

[center]Well, SHIT![/center]

This means that the birfers are going to go ape shit when Obama shows a new COLB for the 2012 election!

Do we or do we ????

Is there an official HQ preemptive strategy for this yet?

This escaped my notice but the attention to Polland's forgery probably overshadowed this bullshit from the Post and Efail

http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/04/25/ ... amas-colb/


this is a forgery for various reasons (only black and white scan so we can't see the original scan, etc).

ETa: Who the heck is John F. Sweeney ... another nobody like Polland?

JAPANESE is not a race Deelite! This is an obvious forgery! I know because I got a degree in BS. I am not prepared to reveal my identity so I cannot (conveniently) show my credentials behind my judgement.

And that does not look like a real birth certificate... its all new and computerized. No doctors signiture... wheres you long form Deelite??. EVERYBODY KNOWS that you need your 55year old crumbling long form birthcertificate to go to the DMV!

dont forget you need it to play little league also.

And to get those discounts at Putt-Putt.

Rather than start a new thread, I thought I'd ask a question here:

Is it or is it not actually possible to presently obtain a 'long-form' birth certificate from the Hawaii vital records office? If you can, what's the difference between what's required to order a COLB and what's required to order a 'long-form'?

Apparently not, according to http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/applyhhl:



[Note that this is no longer correct given the premise of this thread, but it still confirms that there are no more "long forms."]

Note also that you will get varying contrasting answers from birfers, ranging from an obscure interpretation of an obscure provision of an obscure law to "they're not going to refuse to give it to the president."

ETA: or "we just want a photocopy of the original which is still in the files."

Ummm, a certified copy.

Examined by our forensic experts....

No Pilikia called way back when to ask if there was any way to get a copy of her long form and was told in no uncertain terms that Hawaii DOH employees would NOT risk health and spend time searching paper documents.

However, I read somewhere that a photocopy of the top portion would be provided for those persons with non-computer compliant symbols in their data.

Forgetting Birtherism entirely for a moment, that's a pity. Having done some genealogy work myself (and my dad having done a lot more back in the day), there is frankly a lot of information on an original document that would be terribly useful in genealogy research.

The child's birth hospital, of course, but there's more than that of value: parents' ages, parents' birthplaces, parents' addresses, parents' occupations. If you were dealing with a multiple birth, like the Nordykes, a 'long-form' may be the ONLY document that could tell you the birth order.

So if I hit a brick wall in research, and the one document I KNEW could immediately answer multiple questions and move my research along was simply deemed not available, I'd be rather aggravated.