That's because they're both self-published. "The River" was published by Xlibris, a vanity press.

Ah, I get it now. The original book in 2007 was categorized as fiction on Amazon with a product description. When he reissued the book under a different title in 2009, it was not categorized as fiction, but as self-improvement, motivational etc. on Amazon, with no product description.

Whew!

The latter (smile) Got three car loads AND a load of groceries in to the new place yesterday. All by myself. Tomorrow is an all hands on deck thing with some friends and family coming up to help.

Oh, and a combined update later today.

And yes, Adelante did a bang-up job

I do have a friend that switched from Hilary to McCain. She didn't like any of her options (Hillary, Obama, or McCain), but believes that Obama is a socialist and will kill all democracy.

I do believe that many PUMAs are racists and sexist, but not all.

Many of the clips are of folks from Westboro holding their vile signs. Those people freak me out.

For the most part I agree. I don't know about Berg. He might just be a fraud for $$. Everyone else? Definitely.

Here is Westboro Baptist's flyer promoting their protest of Obama's grandmother's funeral, which Tim talked about attending:

http://www.godhatesfags.com/written/fli ... uneral.pdf

Your friend who switched from Hillary to McCain/Palin... because she believed Obama was a socialist? Did you ask why she held this belief pre-election? It was Hilary's proposed health care plan which had mandates, not Obama's. Honestly, they both held virtually the same policy position on all the issues. If Obama was a socialist pre-election, then Hilary certainly was also.

I think you're friend friend (and many PUMAs) used the "socialist" label to cover their deep-seated resentment after their girl lost the nomination. No, not all racist' or sexist... but REALLY pissed-off like Harriett Christian. Voting for McCain was a retaliatory strike against the party.

It begs the question: How much respect and trust PUMAs really had in their candidate if they voted for McCain after Clinton begged them not to?

From a purely rhetorical point of view, it's been interesting to watch the labels various anti-Obama folks have thrown at him. And what those labels add up to:

Revolutionary War - "Obama is a British subject!"

Civil War - "Obama is a Northern elitist!"

World War II - "Obama is a Nazi!"

Cold War - "Obama is a communist!"

War on Terror - "Obama is a Muslim/Arab!"

Yes, it seems that Obama is associated with virtually every single major American enemy in 200+ years. And just as the cherry on top of this sundae of intolerance, he's also an atheist, a far-left Christian radical, a black extremist, and an African native.

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I had this conversation with her initially when we Oregonians were voting in the primary (why Oregon waits so long to have our primary irks me). I was VERY torn between Hillary and Obama. I ended up voting for Hillary in the primary (Lisa ducks the on-coming tomato onslaught), and then voted happily for Obama in the November election. My friend voted for Hillary because she didn't like McCain, IIRC. I agree, Neon, Hillary was and is as liberal as Obama. Perhaps my friend liked Hillary best because she was a known entity from Bill's years in the WH.

My friend loathed/s Obama. I don't know why; I think Obama said a few things on the trail that bothered her. I truly don't think his race is an issue for her. I think she doesn't like his personality style. I believe that is why she hates Obama; she just doesn't like him as a person. And, she reads realllllly conservative political blogs; I was rather shocked that she relies on such slanted news sources for her news. If she would read more objective sources, I would be able to take her political opinions more seriously.

Sadly, during the election, she literally thought that Palin was more qualified than Obama. I had to pick my jaw up off the ground. Palin "has executive experience". We can't talk about Palin much.

I was walking down my office hallway at work a few weeks ago. My friend (we work together and both teach psych) has very strong opinions about the "liberal bias" in higher ed. There are a few instructors at my college who of cross the line politically at my college. This happens at every college and by members of all political parties. So, I was walking down the hall, and I noticed that she had a ton of political articles on her cork board outside of her office. Most faculty members have such boards and post all kinds of info. So, I decided to walked the entire corridor; she had more political stuff than anyone else! But it is the "liberals" that are the threat to the students. That hypocrisy really bothers me. I am trying to decide whether to call her on that or not.



I don't know if this is the case with my friend. She is actually fairly anti-feminism (but doesn't seem to appreciate that all of the opportunities she has had are a direct result of feminism). I have been discussing the evolution of feminism and how the feminism of the 1970s and 80s is not the feminism that we see today. She had no idea about that. She was so closed to the idea of feminism that she never recognized that, like all ideologies, feminism has evolved.

I agree; how anyone voted for Hillary in the primaries and then voted for McCain in the general election is just amazing to me. I don't discuss that issue with my friend anymore. Trying to get her to view Obama more objectively is like trying to get me to view Palin more objectively. Not going to happen. (But at least I see this.)

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And ducks the on-coming tomato onslaught.

Ah, shucks. Notwithstanding a few diehard PUMAs here and there, it's amazing (not to mention exceedingly healthy in my view) how well the Obama-Hillary rifts have healed. And no one deserves more of the credit for this than Hillary herself.

Coming from the the Obama camp myself, she's really performed magnificently for the country, hasn't she?

Ain't nobody gotta duck tomatoes thrown by me, that's for sure.

I was the Anti-Hillary. I really, really, REALLY didn't want Bill back chasing interns in the White House, and she was too conservative for me (but hell, Obama's too conservative for me).

'Course, I'd have held my nose and voted for her. I'm a Yellow Dog Dem, after all. Even have a lapel pin.

But yes, in the end she was gracious and dissed the PUMAs and has been really supportive of the president and done a great job as SoS. I have a whole new level of admiration and respect for her.

Her, that is.

Not Bill. I'm still pissed at Bill. Stupid mofo gave the RWNJs exactly what they wanted, because he let the little head think for the big head.

But I'm down with any non-PUMA who voted for Hillary in the primary. It's all good.

What the ol' rooster said about Big Dog.

I would have been satisfied but not happy if Hillary had won. I, too, thought Obama was too conservative, still do but I have high hopes his smarts will lead him in the right direction.

I was at a party in SoCal in 2001 and our neighbor said her 13 year old daughter had asked her about giving a blow job to her boyfriend. I told her she must be a great mom, 'cause about 90% of 13 yr. old daughters wouldn't trust their mom enough to ask.

But I was thinking, "Bill Clinton taught every 13 yr. old girl in America about blow jobs."

When he was president, we had a national dialogue about semen stains ...

I thought he should have resigned on the grounds of stoopidity, and given Gore a boost toward 2000.

What Bill Clinton did was stupid and I'll bet not that unusual.

It wasn't Bill who taught 13 year old girls what a BJ was.

It was Ken Starr and the Repubs who tried to use what went on behind closed doors to oust a Democrat. It was no one's business except Bill, Hillary and Monica.

I used to feel that way, too, Seq, but now I parsel out to BD the part that is his.

The pressures of being POTUS are unbelievably heavy, like being down on the ocean floor without a submersible, and I don't begrudge a BJ between consenting adults... but not in the frikkin' Oval Office. They would have found something else, inevitably, but never anything so damning.

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I still like Bill Clinton and had Hillary been elected, I believe Bill would have been an asset. JMOANWM.

Thirteen year olds didn't need Big Dog to teach them what a BJ is. That blame should more squarely be placed at the door of the people who hounded him about it (who collectively probably never had one).

Funnily enough, I understood where Bill was coming from when he said "I didn't have sex with that woman." Bill's a southerner. So am I. There's a common perception in the south (or there used to be -- I've been gone a long time so maybe things have changed somewhat) that "sex" meant full-on penetration. Anything else was just "messing around." In Bill's mind, he didn't have sex with Monica, although I doubt that made Hillary feel any better, and God knows what Monica got out of it other than being able to say she serviced the President.

When I was in high school in Georgia, I knew several girls -- popular girls, not social pariahs -- who were obsessive about hanging on to their virginity, but who were also quite happy to have oral sex with their boyfriends because everyone colluded in the polite fiction that BJs aren't "real" sex. That was a long time before Ken Starr ever brought the issue front and center.

I doubt it would have been as damning as it ended up being had Clinton not played all kinds of lawyerly games with it. The outright lie was bad enough, but he spent so much time uttering things that might play in court, but just struck the general public as being just as bad as lying. Clinton's approval rating on the day he was impeached was higher than Reagan's at its highest.

My gripe was not that Clinton committed adultery, which is pretty much between him and his wife, but that it was an intern. While she was pretty obviously willing, there's just serious impropriety in taking advantage of a situation where the power dynamic is so skewed. I can't imagine he couldn't have found any number of willing women who would have been more discreet (and would be surprised if he hadn't).

Same thing was true in East Texas. I accept that Bill truly believed that he did not have sex "with that woman." What he did was considered to be a perversion of the purpose of the sex drive: "be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth."

I'm sure he has, and probably still does. Bill's a leopard way too old to change his spots.