not to be picky but what is an "ex veteran" you are either an "ex marine" etc., or a veteran but an "ex veteran"? Huh?

That would make him ded, britty. D E D ... ded!

True dat.

Many convicted criminals too. Why do birfers take the word of criminals, forgers and frauds?

They just posted it on Abovetopsecret.com and the typical birthers have thus far replied.... along with your predictable birther responses such as 'if he would just pull out his birth certificate we could all put this to rest', When ever birthers make that comment right there I always picture them thinking deep down that they meant Obama's 'christian caucasian certificate', not his birth certificate that he already showed. If all the other 43 presidents could account for being certifiable Christian caucasians (apparently the founders were all christians as well) why doesnt Obama simply pull his one out and put this all to rest??

HIS SWEATIN' BULLETS!!!

It was a precinct caucus - would election officials even be involved? I assumed not but I'm not fully familiar with the process.

During Tim's being in Charging, Obama was voting and running for office in Chicago, so Tim had access to Chicago records too? It seems all you have to do is make up a whopper and get a paypal button, such suckers.

When working on ballots, and considering Obama not being a resident of Hawaii at the time, it's my uninformed guess that the IT systems will not grant access to any b.c.s of any people who are not elligible to be voters.

That's one of the telling points, WD.

Adams tells WND he was in charge of absentee ballots, but there wouldn't have been any from a caucus. The diplomatic corps, for example, wouldn't have had an opportunity to vote absentee before the general, because you'd have to be present at a caucus, even if there were ballots, which is always doubtful.

Green Papers identifies the Hawaiian form as Caucus/Convention and while it's barely possible there were ballots, chances are better there weren't formal ballots of the kind an elections office would be concerned with "processing."

At some caucus meetings around the country people scribble something on bits of paper which are thrown into the garbage after they're counted. Or people are crossing from one side of the room to another to indicate their votes and there is nothing on paper.

Guys, I got a confession to make. In 2008 in addition to my studies in Massage Therapy at the DeVry Institute for Technology & Medical School, I worked as a volunteer Chief Senior Something Elections Official in Hawaii via the Internet as part of the GlobalWeb Initiative. As such a senior volunteer overseeing the coffee delivery and communications facilitation of the Hawaiian Election Commission (or whatever it was called), I had access to such government databases as Social Security, the State Department passport files, and the entire Twilight/Numb3rs crossover fanfic collection. Now, I didn't bother checking any of those databases, but I can assure you that one day which I'm sure my fellow co-workers weren't humouring my paranoid conspiracy theories, I was told by my nameless boss that Obama wasn't even born on this earth. There's no document anywhere which establishes him as even Human Born! I eagerly await to be interviewed by some Internet radio host with connections to white supremacist groups so that MichaelN can post a youtube of it and Orly seek an interview with me.

It promises to be a very pretty youtube.

In reality (just hold on a second there -- I know, I know: some of you wonder, "what, someone who tends to side with Birfers is suggesting something is 'in reality?'"), WND is not being completely forthcoming (I know, shocker) with the insinuations of their article on Mr. Adams.

Donning my official anonymous reporter hat, I actually contacted Mr. Adams to ask him (1) if he was the one referenced in the WND article and (2) why he was choosing now to reveal this information.

He did respond back to me earlier today, and I'll be posting an analysis of this response as a posting on my blog as soon as I receive explicit permission from him to use his verbiage.

Operating on a cynical profile of WND is certainly in order here, especially in light of the fact that the purported video of audio being bandied about in "Birfer" circles has already been "shot down" by me privately to a number of people precisely because of its Stormfront.org (and/or related) origins (it is unfortunate that some who send me emails don't understand what I consider to be the evil side of things).

This is also the reason why I refuse to post the movie on my own site; if someone thinks that white people are inherently superior to other races, they can knock themselves out with that notion -- I simply won't have any of it.

At the end of the day, this, to me, is all about the Constitution, not melanin.

For all the birfer obsession with "scrubbing the Internet", WND regularly alters its stories and doesn't acknowledge the changes. One previous was a claim that Hawaii allowed parents to amend the place of birth on BC's, later retracted without acknowledgment.

I guess it all comes down to if you want to believe a part time clerk whose job description didn't include any facet of dealing with Obamas' birth certificate or if you want to believe the Director of Health and physician whose job it was to confirm his eligibility on the matter.

I know who I am going with.

PhilGA wrote...

emphasis mine

Well, see there, we agree on one thing already.

Did you read this whole thread here?

You don't think he has a credibility issue?

He wrote he was an ex-convict and a murderer.

His book says the military doctors diagnosed him with mental illness. Nobody would share a room with him. He talks of anger issues. He talks of violence. And, he has posted racist rants.

Did you not see any of that.

Then, there are the holes in his story.

I look forward to reading it, Phil. Actually, I thought he seemed reasonably sane in the WND article (sane for a Birther), but when you look at all the rest of this stuff, it's pretty horrifying. A hate-filled person in so many ways, but aside from it, I'm thinking the guy is unwell mentally and fabricating, and I feel kind of bad that he's stepped into the whirlwind of the birther movement. We'll see how he handles it.

Dr C got the follwing email replay from Hawaii:
Our records indicate that Mr. Adams was employed in a clerical position as an Elections Clerk. Our office does not have access to birth records. Birth records are handled by the State of Hawaii, Department of Health.
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Tim is wingnug and as their normal practice he embellished his story a bit. Common for wingbuts and birthers, part of "Argument from Authority" concept. (same reason manning touts his PHD)

I look forward to a WND embargo on tRSoL.

Did that include the slash stuff, or just the regular fanfic? I mean, just how high was your security clearance for that?

As I've already pointed out, the issue is one of editorial insinuation, regardless of the background of whomever is being "interviewed."

While I'll side with WND on a number of issues over which they've chosen to post, I had wondered (emphasis on had; and no, I'm not being had here!) why they would run with a story that was based on a video put forth by a white-supremacist group. To me, it was little wonder once I received a response back directly from the source.

This information is public record filed in the county clerks office in the county the real property is located if financed. Two documents are filed: Warranty Deed with Vendor's Lien and Deed of Trust. Both documents provide the grantor's/lender's information.

@Adelante: p=10857 was pretty hard hitting. Good job.

My favorite example is when Doc C said on his blog that WND had reported that Pakistan forbid American travelers in 1981. Farah himself dropped by the comment thread to say that WND had never reported that. Another commenter showed up with two links to WND articles showing that Farah was fibbing.

And what did WND do? They silently edited those false references out of those articles, with no editorial note that changes were made. So now if anyone stumbles across that thread on Doc C's site, the links don't make any sense anymore.

The racist rant stuff is obvious, but I'd like to stress that the stuff he wrote in his book is not necessarily autobiographical. It's not clear whether he's writing about personal experience, or whether he's writing first-person fiction. So while his writing may tell us something about him, I would take the 'personal confessions' with a big grain of salt.

The books are categorized on book sites as "motivational" and "self-improvement" "psychology" - not as fiction. I feel sure he fictionalized his personal experience to an extent, the guy seems to have an active imagination, but he didn't intend the books as novels and doesn't present them as novels. On the other hand, I don't believe he is a convicted murderer. It's just weird someone would say that about himself.