The Question of Presidential Inability

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Aside from getting his PAC going (seems odd if he's not running in 2020), where is VP Pence? While The Don tweets and Bannon spews, VP Pence seems unnaturally quiet. Unless I've missed something.
I think he got thrown into the cornfield by Doug Jones' son.
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Thu Jan 04, 2018 2:35 pm
"For the record," if the vice president completes a presidential term with less than two years remaining on it, the vice president could still serve two more terms as president.

In other words, Pence has an incentive to keep his powder dry until January 21, 2019.
That's what I've been suspecting the plan in some quarters is - prop up Trump for 2 years, then suddenly discover he is sick/corrupt/a criminal, and then 10 glorious years of Pence.


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Suranis wrote:
Thu Jan 04, 2018 7:09 pm
bob wrote:
Thu Jan 04, 2018 2:35 pm
:snippity:
That's what I've been suspecting the plan in some quarters is - prop up Trump for 2 years, then suddenly discover he is sick/corrupt/a criminal, and then 10 glorious years of Pence.
Yeah, I wrote that awhile back. GOP powers figured 45 couldn't survive the term, picked Pence as the next president.


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Post by Addie » Fri Jan 05, 2018 9:21 am

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As ‘Fire and Fury’ is published, Europe openly debates: ‘Is Trump still sane?’

BERLIN — European commentary on President Trump is rarely flattering, but the cascading revelations alleged in Michael Wolff’s tell-all book “Fire and Fury,” drew an especially fierce response from a horrified continent.

“Is Trump still sane?” asked the Friday lead headline on the site of Germany’s most respected conservative paper, Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung. The piece was published under the topic “mental health.”

Meanwhile, British readers woke up to the Times of London's main front page headline that also wondered about the president’s stability: “Trump’s mental health questioned by top aide.”

“Donald Trump’s right-hand man openly questioned his fitness to serve and predicted that he would resign to avoid being removed by his own cabinet, according to a book that the US president tried to block yesterday,” wrote the Rupert Murdoch-controlled Times of London.


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Addie wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2018 9:21 am
WaPo
As ‘Fire and Fury’ is published, Europe openly debates: ‘Is Trump still sane?’
:snippity:
With the backing of this book the European press has finally got the freedom to speak without fear of endangering "the special relationship" between the US and European nations.



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Post by Addie » Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:21 pm

The New Yorker - David Remnick
The Increasing Unfitness of Donald Trump

The West Wing has come to resemble the dankest realms of Twitter, in which everyone is racked with paranoia and everyone despises everyone else.

What made the Emperor Nero tick, Suetonius writes in “Lives of the Caesars,” was “a longing for immortality and undying fame, though it was ill-regulated.” Many Romans were convinced that Nero was mentally unbalanced and that he had burned much of the imperial capital to the ground just to make room for the construction of the Domus Aurea, a gold-leaf-and-marble palace that stretched from the Palatine to the Esquiline Hill. At enormous venues around the city, he is said to have sung, danced, and played the water organ for many hours—but not before ordering the gates locked to insure that the house would remain full until after the final encore. Driven half mad by Nero’s antics, Romans feigned death or shimmied over the walls with ropes to escape.

Chaotic, corrupt, incurious, infantile, grandiose, and obsessed with gaudy real estate, Donald Trump is of a Neronic temperament. He has always craved attention. Now the whole world is his audience. In earlier times, Trump cultivated, among others, the proprietors and editors of the New York tabloids, Fox News, TMZ, and the National Enquirer. Now Twitter is his principal outlet, with no mediation necessary. ...

Future scholars will sift through Trump’s digital proclamations the way we now read the chroniclers of Nero’s Rome—to understand how an unhinged emperor can make a mockery of republican institutions, undo the collective nervous system of a country, and degrade the whole of public life. ...

In the meantime, there is little doubt about who Donald Trump is, the harm he has done already, and the greater harm he threatens. He is unfit to hold any public office, much less the highest in the land. This is not merely an orthodoxy of the opposition; his panicked courtiers have been leaking word of it from his first weeks in office. The President of the United States has become a leading security threat to the United States.


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Post by pipistrelle » Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:24 pm

The President of the United States has become a leading security threat to the United States.
This is what I've been saying all along, and why every rep in Congress must ditch politics as usual.



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Post by Addie » Sun Jan 07, 2018 11:53 am

WaPo - Jennifer Rubin
The 'stable genius' isn't even functioning as president ...

Trump’s emotional and mental limitations should debunk a number of rationalizations from his devoted cultists, who insisted he was the best choice in 2016, cheered his first year in office and continue to pretend he’s fit for office. He’s sounding presidential. No, he’s reading off a teleprompter, likely with very little comprehension. He’s playing four-dimensional chess with Kim Jong Un. No, he’s impulsively lashing out, with the risk of provoking a deadly clash. He’s a master manipulator when he shifts from position to position, sometimes in the same sentence. No, he likely doesn’t realize what contradicts what or remember what he originally said. His use of alternative facts is a brilliant scheme to control the press narrative. No, he’s incapable of processing real information and driven by an insatiable need for praise and reaffirmation.

Seen in the context of his intellectual and emotional limitations, some decisions should set off alarm bells. Take the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action. “Bad. Obama’s deal. Worst ever. Get rid of it. People will love me if I get rid of it.” That is very likely the sum total of his “thinking” on the subject. He’s not considering the next step, the reaction of allies, the implication for America’s standing in the world, the available evidence of Iranian compliance or any other data point that would go into a rational consideration of United States’ policy. Policy isn’t being made or even understood by the president. What comes from his fears and impulses is whatever aides are able to piece together that might satisfy his emotional spasm of the moment without endangering the country. (The compromise was to “decertify” the deal, freaking out our allies but leaving the deal in place — for now.)

Anyone who listens to him speak off the cuff about health care or tax legislation knows he will not raise any specifics or make a logical argument for this or that provision. It’s all “great,” “fabulous,” “the biggest,” etc. It’s not a sophisticated marketing ploy; it’s evidence of a total lack of understanding or concern about what is in any given piece of legislation. There is serious question whether he knows what is in the Affordable Care Act, how Medicaid works or specifically how the GOP health-care bills would have worked.

Unfortunately, interviewers tend to shy away from asking questions that will provoke a dreaded word salad. (In the case of Fox News, its Trump enablers know to stay away from anything hard that could prompt him to humiliate himself.) Recall that he told the New York Times: “We’ve created associations, millions of people are joining associations. Millions. That were formerly in Obamacare or didn’t have insurance. Or didn’t have health care. Millions of people.” Too bad he wasn’t asked to explain in coherent sentences what all that free word association meant.

To defend his continued occupancy of the office or to insist he’s “better than Hillary” is to reject the notion of democracy. We cannot accept, let alone applaud, courtiers scurrying around to create the appearance of a functioning government. He, not they, is the chief executive and commander in chief. We have a vice president elected specifically to take over if the president is incapable of serving; the 25th Amendment does not say “but in a pinch, let the secretaries of defense and treasury run the show.” What we have is a type of coup in which the great leader is disabled. He is propped up, sent out to read lines written by others and kept safely away from disastrous situations. This is not how our system works, however.


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http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/20 ... ws-it.html
For most of his presidency, the conversation about Trump’s mental well-being, and consequent capacity to perform the duties of his office, has been characterized by a willed naïvety. The president’s signs of senility aren’t subtle. His narcissistic self-regard is not mildly delusional; his impulse control is more than a little bit lacking. In October, a Republican senator likened the White House to an adult day-care center; said that he knew “for a fact that every single day at the White House, it’s a situation of trying to contain him”; and insisted that, in private, most of his GOP colleagues shared this assessment. Wolff’s reporting suggests that virtually everyone in Trump’s inner circle has witnessed signs of his mental decline, and believes him to be unfit for office.

As a practical matter, liberals have devoted inordinate attention to the 25th Amendment, a provision of the Constitution that allows for the president to be removed from office for being physically or mentally “unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office,” (as opposed to being found guilty of impeachable offenses). While superficially attractive, the “25th Amendment solution” doesn’t actually get us past the hurdle that’s blocking impeachment: Congressional Republicans do not want to remove Trump from office. A committed Congress would have no trouble finding a credible pretense for impeaching this president; they just don’t want to. And the 25th Amendment would require two-thirds of Congress to vote to remove Trump on grounds of fitness — after a majority of his handpicked Cabinet members publicly express their desire to do the same. Considering the current political climate, it’s delusional to believe that this is a plausible scenario.

And yet, progressives’ fixation on the 25th Amendment is far less deluded than the rationalizations that keep Republicans from invoking it. By all accounts, most GOP Congress members recognize that Donald Trump is a pathological narcissist with early stage dementia and only peripheral contact with reality — and they have, nonetheless, decided to let him retain unilateral command of the largest nuclear arsenal on planet Earth because it would be politically and personally inconvenient to remove his finger from the button.

You don’t need a degree in psychiatry to call that crazy.
2 theories

(a) They want Pence in in a year to try for 10 glorious years. Problem is that Pence was completly unpopular in Indiana and he will have the stink of Trump al over him, so it wont work

(b) They do not under any circumstances want to be the Party that gets its Presidents impeached for scandals. Clinton was revenge for Nixon and to balance the books so they will NOT do it.

(c) The entireRepublican party is comprimised and implicated in this fiasco.


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Trump Speaks At Fourth-Grade Level, Lowest Of Last 15 U.S. Presidents, New Analysis Finds

President Donald Trump—who boasted over the weekend that his success in life was a result of “being, like, really smart”—communicates at the lowest grade level of the last 15 presidents, according to a new analysis of the speech patterns of presidents going back to Herbert Hoover.



The analysis assessed the first 30,000 words each president spoke in office, and ranked them on the Flesch-Kincaid grade level scale and more than two dozen other common tests analyzing English-language difficulty levels. Trump clocked in around mid-fourth grade, the worst since Harry Truman, who spoke at nearly a sixth-grade level.

At the top of the list were Hoover and Jimmy Carter, who were basically at an 11th-grade level, and President Barack Obama, in third place with a high ninth-grade level of communicating with the American people.

The Flesch-Kincaid scale was developed in 1975 for the U.S. Navy to assess the relative difficulty of training manuals biased on word length and sentence length. A database of Trump’s words, compiled by the incomparable factba.se, ran the comparative analysis yesterday, in response to the president’s claim that he is “a genius.”


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Post by Foggy » Mon Jan 08, 2018 5:41 pm

In Truman's defense, he was our last president who didn't attend college.



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Post by RoadScholar » Mon Jan 08, 2018 6:15 pm

Trump enrolled. That doesn't mean he attended.

Speaking of attentiveness... I believe Trump has profound ADD. It would explain a lot. And his testy egomania would force him to deny he had it, so he’s probably not being medicated for it.

A president with the attention span of a gerbil. Great. :brickwallsmall:


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01/09/18 11:35 AM EST

Dem to introduce 'Stable Genius Act' requiring presidential candidates to take mental exam

A Democratic lawmaker says that he will introduce legislation that would require presidential candidates to undergo a mental health examination following a tweet from President Trump in which he praised himself as a "stable genius."

Rep. Brendan Boyle's office said in a press release that the Pennsylvania Democrat would introduce the "Stable Genius Act" in the House on Tuesday.

The act would require all presidential candidates to file a Federal Election Commission (FEC) report "certifying that he or she has undergone medical examination by the medical office under the jurisdiction of the Secretary of the Navy."

Boyle said in the statement that American voters have the right to know whether a candidate has the mental fortitude to withstand the pressures of the White House.

"Before voting for the highest office in the land, Americans have a right to know whether an individual has the physical and mental fitness to serve as President," he added. <SNIP>
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Brendon Boyle has the education to know that you can’t add presidential requirements via a law.



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Post by noblepa » Tue Jan 09, 2018 4:25 pm

Unless Trump has a complete mental breakdown on live TV, turning into a gibbering idiot who can't speak in complete sentences, drools excessively, can't recognize his own family and soils his pants, there is no way that any steps to remove him from office before 1/20/2021, will succeed.

Furthermore, imagine a scenario in which the Democrats regain control of both houses in 2018. If they even tried to remove him, either through impeachment or the 25th amendment, it would tear the country apart.

I'm not sure that impeachment would have succeeded against Richard Nixon, had a few Republicans, such as Howard Baker, not shown some integrity by going to the president and telling him he had to resign. Unless a lot more wrongdoing by Trump is exposed, no current Republican is going to do that. At least not the leadership, like Ryan and McConnell.



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Post by Gregg » Wed Jan 10, 2018 2:46 am

noblepa wrote:
Tue Jan 09, 2018 4:25 pm
Unless Trump has a complete mental breakdown on live TV, turning into a gibbering idiot who can't speak in complete sentences, drools excessively, can't recognize his.... :snippity:

The State of the Union is coming up. :cantlook:


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Gregg wrote:
Wed Jan 10, 2018 2:46 am
noblepa wrote:
Tue Jan 09, 2018 4:25 pm
Unless Trump has a complete mental breakdown on live TV, turning into a gibbering idiot who can't speak in complete sentences, drools excessively, can't recognize his.... :snippity:

The State of the Union is coming up. :cantlook:
Dear Lord let there be some bombshell released 2 hours before he goes live for the SOTU speech. Enough time for him to absorb the impact of the leak (the pee tape release would be nice) but not enough time for him calm down. Send him out to speak while he's in a blinding rage. That's not too much to ask, is it?



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Post by pipistrelle » Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:09 am

Since the so-called pee tape has been discussed for eons, would it be that shocking anymore? This is the guy who could shoot someone, and the supporters would still be supporters. I still don't know why, as he has the charisma of a cheese grater.



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pipistrelle wrote:
Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:09 am
Since the so-called pee tape has been discussed for eons, would it be that shocking anymore? This is the guy who could shoot someone, and the supporters would still be supporters. I still don't know why, as he has the charisma of a cheese grater.
You honestly think that if the actual tapes were released that people wouldn't be shocked?



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Sugar Magnolia wrote:
Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:11 am
You honestly think that if the actual tapes were released that people wouldn't be shocked?
They were shocked when they heard of Adolf's eccentricities, but nary an eye blinks when Trump does similar things.


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Post by AndyinPA » Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:29 am

What I've heard is that the pee pee tapes aren't what people think they are. But, generally speaking, I like the idea of something happening an hour or two before the speech! ;)



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Post by Gregg » Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:07 pm

Well, if the objective is to get full on ashole Trump, how about a handful of indictments after lunch on the day of the speech. Junior, Jared and a Jimmy down the hall who is co operating with Mueller? :daydream:

That's a speech that I'd watch! The ratings would be yuge!

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Have the SOTU pre-game coverage split screen with replays of the perp walk.



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Turtle wrote:
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Have the SOTU pre-game coverage split screen with replays of the perp walk.
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