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Post by Addie » Sun Jul 02, 2017 7:52 pm

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Thousands march in L.A. for impeachment of President Trump; his supporters hold their own rally



Thousands of protesters marched down 5th Street and Broadway in downtown Los Angeles on Sunday, chanting, “Down, down, down with Trump — up, up, up with the people” as they urged Congress to impeach the president.

John Meranda, 56 of Long Beach, held a sign showing Trump's face on the body of a chubby baby, with the word “impeach” spelled out in wooden blocks. ...

Further down Broadway, Allen Levenson, 55 of Redondo Beach, and two of his friends clutched a plastic frame supporting a 15-foot-long banner reading, “Illegitimate Corrupt Puppet.” ...

The march is one of dozens planned across the country, with demonstrations in California scheduled in Fresno, Orange County, Ventura, San Diego and San Francisco. ...

At a counterprotest before the pro-impeachment march, about three to four dozen Trump supporters gathered on the sidewalk outside Los Angeles Police Department headquarters, in an area roped off by yellow police tape.


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Post by Addie » Sun Jul 02, 2017 9:33 pm

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Marches across U.S. cities call for Trump's impeachment ...

In Manhattan, protesters chanted outside Trump International Hotel and Tower at Columbus Circle and Central Park West, CBS New York reports.



"I think Donald Trump is the least competent person who has ever held the Oval Office," one marcher told the station.

A social worker from Queens who took part said she does not expect impeachment to happen overnight. But she said the protest was a start. ...



Organizers believe Mr. Trump has violated the U.S. constitution and obstructed justice.

"We believe president Trump has committed constitutional breaches, consistently lied, cheated and enforces laws that primarily benefit him and his billionaire friends at the expense of the country," says the organization's website, impeachmentmarch.org. ...

A lone supporter of Mr. Trump showed up to the Manhattan protest. ...


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Post by ZekeB » Sun Jul 02, 2017 10:56 pm

I'm waiting for the mental health specialists to start proclaiming Trump as insane. He obviously is. He should be removed from office for that reason, even tho insanity was not a reason listed in the Constitution.


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Post by Dan1100 » Sun Jul 02, 2017 11:34 pm

ZekeB wrote:I'm waiting for the mental health specialists to start proclaiming Trump as insane. He obviously is. He should be removed from office for that reason, even tho insanity was not a reason listed in the Constitution.
Lets play that out a little and take a little walk into possible fantasy frivolous litigation territory.

What happens when non-president people go insane? It seems like there are 2 paths. First would be a commitment order for someone who is a danger to themselves or others, in slang a "5150," that can be filed by a doctor or a cop where someone gets temporarily held, evaluated, and then gets a hearing in a couple of days to see if they need a more permanent comittment. Probably not applicable here.

The second is a guardian/conservatorship proceeding. Someone (relative, doctor, neighbor, local government official (they call the "public adminstrators" here), or maybe someone else files for a guardianship and/or conservatorship.

What would happen if someone went down to the local courthouse, filed a petition alleging all of Comrade Donald's strange behavior, his deteriorating speech, his apparent sundowning, and all the other strangeness? Allege that Bannon, Kushner and Miller are taking advantage of his condition. I'm not sure. The sovereign citizens and poots file stranger stuff and it doesn't get dismissed out of hand. Assuming the petition alleges the magic words, it might have to go to the next step, which would be a competency hearing where Comrade Donald would have to convince a judge he is not batshit bonkers. He might have to submit to a psychological examination. . . .

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Post by optimusprime » Mon Jul 03, 2017 12:06 am

I am not a lawyer, nor do I play one on TV. I have, however, had too many Guardianship hearings to attend here in the State of North Carolina.

Here, if the Clerk of Court had the proper gonads, they'd have to first find that 45 was a citizen of the State of North Carolina. I suppose the same for Washington, DC. That would be debatable since his "residence" is actually in the State of New York. Then, the Guardian would have to have the paperwork complete. Okay, part of that is an exam whereas the petitioner rates things such as Activities of Daily Living, counting money and such. One must prove that he is either competent or incompetent to care for self or make decisions based on his actions. Seriously, no COC would take the case past this form, because 45 can brush his teeth, count different denominations of money and reasonably pick out a tie or two. So that would end that. PLUS, he has a wife/spouse. The CoC would really have to get past that one, as one would have to prove that she is unable to care for 45 or make financial decisions, or a combination of both.

Suffice to say, we'd have to stick with the impeachment process. The question is, like the Cuban Shuffle: How low can he go? Can he go to the flo? That is what scares me. For this GOP Cabal to impeach him, he'd probably have to change his affiliation to Democrat. :silenced:



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Post by bob » Mon Jul 03, 2017 8:35 am

ZekeB wrote:I'm waiting for the mental health specialists to start proclaiming Trump as insane. He obviously is. He should be removed from office for that reason, even tho insanity was not a reason listed in the Constitution.
The real trick is convincing Pence (and a majority of the cabinet) or a majority of the House (and two-thirds of the Senate). And neither option requires a specialist.

And any specialist who diagnoses the president without actually examining him will be mocked and then ignored.


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Post by Sam the Centipede » Mon Jul 03, 2017 9:39 am

bob wrote:
ZekeB wrote:I'm waiting for the mental health specialists to start proclaiming Trump as insane. He obviously is. He should be removed from office for that reason, even tho insanity was not a reason listed in the Constitution.
The real trick is convincing Pence (and a majority of the cabinet) or a majority of the House (and two-thirds of the Senate). And neither option requires a specialist.

And any specialist who diagnoses the president without actually examining him will be mocked and then ignored.
... and the professional association for psychiatrists considers it improper for their members to comment on a person's mental health without a full examination, at which point I guess patient confidentiality then comes into play.

This is going to be played out according to political game theory. The Republicans might move against their president when they think it will be to their advantage, but individual Republicans will be aware that they risk massive opprobrium and an onslaught from the Trumpistas, both metaphorically and possibly literally (who would rule out one of the angrier Trumpistas physically attacking a "traitor"?). So it becomes a high stakes game for individual Republicans: the first to move might well win strongly, but might risk his or her future career.



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Post by Sterngard Friegen » Mon Jul 03, 2017 1:42 pm

Impeachment with a republican congress is highly unlikely. But it would only take about 35 of them and Paul Ryan. But Ryan is in the trump toilet despite what he says.



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Post by ZekeB » Mon Jul 03, 2017 1:47 pm

Sterngard Friegen wrote:Impeachment with a republican congress is highly unlikely. But it would only take about 35 of them and Paul Ryan. But Ryan is in the trump toilet despite what he says.
It would be a stain on the Republican Party to have Trump impeached. Trump would never resign. Not that Trump isn't a stain on the Republican Party as it is.


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Post by bob » Mon Jul 03, 2017 2:12 pm

If there were 35 votes (or whatever the magic number necessary to reach 218 is) for impeachment, a workaround could be crafted, i.e., a privileged vote to declare the speakership vacant, installation of a rump-figurehead speaker, and then take control of house.

But I doubt there are 35 Republicans willing to put country before party (and their jobs).


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Post by RTH10260 » Thu Aug 24, 2017 6:42 pm

Roger Stone Says Impeach Trump, Get Ready for Civil War

(TMZ)

[bbvideo=560,315]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hFRLbFaJEw[/bbvideo]



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Post by Jim » Thu Aug 24, 2017 7:01 pm

bob wrote:But I doubt there are 35 Republicans willing to put country before party (and their jobs).
Agreed...however it did take a while for the Republicans to come around to impeaching Nixon.

Think of Trump as Watergate on steroids.



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Post by RVInit » Thu Aug 24, 2017 8:17 pm

As much as I wish I could believe that Republicans could possibly do the right thing I just don't see Republican voters allowing them to do it. Try watching Faux for about two days without watching any other news. Most Faux viewers do not watch anything other than Faux unless they are seeking out other right wing news on the internet. It's not even that they don't believe all this crap that we know about - they don't even know about it. Faux does not cover any of these controversial things that Trump is doing or saying. And, when they do, what they are showing is edited. They invite only right wing pundits and occasionally a single person to represent main stream or liberal views. They do every thing they can to put the liberal guest at a disadvantage, including misrepresenting the topic of discussion in order to catch the liberal off guard and unprepared. Until and unless we see Republican voters sour on Trump, he is here to stay, IMO. Why are members of Congress, whose approval ratings are WAY less than Trump's going to go out on a limb and impeach him? It would be political suicide and they know it. They already know they don't have our vote. They couldn't possibly care less what we think.


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Post by Addie » Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:59 pm

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Steyer launches multimillion-dollar campaign to impeach Trump

Tom Steyer, the liberal billionaire activist considering a run for U.S. Senate in California, is spending at least $10 million on national TV ads demanding that Congress take a stand on impeaching President Donald Trump.

Steyer, one of the nation’s most prolific Democratic donors, directs viewers of the television and digital ads to a website where they can sign onto the initiative.

In the ad, Steyer charges that Trump has brought the United States to the brink of nuclear war, obstructed justice at the Federal Bureau of Investigation, taken money from foreign governments and threatened to shut down news organizations that report the truth “in direct violation of the Constitution.”

“If that isn’t a case for impeaching and removing a dangerous president, then what has our government become?” Steyer asks. “A Republican Congress once impeached a president for far less. Yet today, people in Congress and his own administration know this president is a ‘clear and president danger’ who is mentally unstable and armed with nuclear weapons – and they do nothing.”


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Post by Addie » Thu Nov 09, 2017 1:54 pm

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Steyer to drop another $10M on Trump impeachment ads

Democratic billionaire Tom Steyer said Thursday that he’s adding $10 million to his national television ad campaign calling for President Donald Trump’s impeachment.

Speaking on a conference call outlining the public support for his effort, Steyer also said he would fund two new ads in addition to the one that’s been backed by an existing $10 million buy.

More than 1.9 million Americans have now signed his weeks-old petition to impeach Trump, Steyer said on the call.

Trump himself responded to Steyer’s ad after seeing it during Fox and Friends late last month — he called the Californian "unhinged" and a "wacko" — and FOX News subsequently pulled the ad off the air.


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Post by Sterngard Friegen » Thu Nov 09, 2017 2:04 pm

:yankyank:

Steyer is doing this to run for the Senate. And it's a waste of money (although it's his). If he wanted to do something relevant he could donate it to various political campaigns to elect Democrats.



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Post by ZekeB » Thu Nov 09, 2017 3:02 pm

10 million could be better spent in other ways.


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Post by maydijo » Sat Nov 11, 2017 3:42 pm

It occurs to me that the requirement that the POTUS is a natural born citizen does not go far enough.

The Australian High Court has ruled that anyone who holds or could hold dual citizenship is ineligible to sit in Parliament, unless and until they revoke all other citizenships, if it is possible to do so. (One senator is exempt because Iran refuses to allow him to denounce his citizenship, despite multiple attempts to do so.)

Many of the parliamentarians caught up in this were born in Australia to a British parent. Although the parliamentarians never attempted to claim British citizenship, the Home Office still considers them citizens by descent.

As Trump's mother was Scottish, and as (to my knowledge) Trump has never renounced his British citizenship, that means he, too, is a citizen by descent.

Which means in Australia he'd be ineligible to sit in Parliament.

In light of his Birther history I suggest (tongue firmly in cheek) that we commence Birther II: Trump is actually a citizen of the UK and as such should not be allowed to continue to sit as US president.



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Post by NMgirl » Sat Nov 11, 2017 4:05 pm

Sterngard Friegen wrote:
Thu Nov 09, 2017 2:04 pm
:yankyank:

Steyer is doing this to run for the Senate. And it's a waste of money (although it's his). If he wanted to do something relevant he could donate it to various political campaigns to elect Democrats.
Tom Steyer was the biggest donor to the Democratic Party in 2016. That's not nuthin.



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Post by bob » Sat Nov 11, 2017 6:24 pm

maydijo wrote:
Sat Nov 11, 2017 3:42 pm
As Trump's mother was Scottish, and as (to my knowledge) Trump has never renounced his British citizenship, that means he, too, is a citizen by descent.
Citizenship (especially UK citizenship) is a bit more complicated than that. The president's mother may have lost her UK citizenship when she naturalized. And citizenship-by-descent may have been limited to fathers at that point in time.

But your point is well taken: birthers have shown little interest in investigating the matter. For reasons unknown. :think:


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Post by maydijo » Sat Nov 11, 2017 11:19 pm

bob wrote:
Sat Nov 11, 2017 6:24 pm
maydijo wrote:
Sat Nov 11, 2017 3:42 pm
As Trump's mother was Scottish, and as (to my knowledge) Trump has never renounced his British citizenship, that means he, too, is a citizen by descent.
Citizenship (especially UK citizenship) is a bit more complicated than that. The president's mother may have lost her UK citizenship when she naturalized. And citizenship-by-descent may have been limited to fathers at that point in time.

But your point is well taken: birthers have shown little interest in investigating the matter. For reasons unknown. :think:
Okay, I just looked it up and prior to 1983, citizenship by descent was only through the father, so you're right. Darnit! Here I was feeling all gloaty because Trump couldn't possibly be in politics here. Grrr, stupid sexist laws.



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