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Post by Dr. Kenneth Noisewater » Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:13 pm

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Might not be related to Mueller. I read an additional article saying the ATF was involved. I don't see any connection.



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Post by GhostOfSolomon » Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:45 pm


Might not be related to Mueller. I read an additional article saying the ATF was involved. I don't see any connection.
Ya it was just posted it is gang related... there goes my wishful thinking

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Post by neeneko » Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:48 pm

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
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Might not be related to Mueller. I read an additional article saying the ATF was involved. I don't see any connection.
Current indication is that it is 'gang related'.



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Post by Addie » Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:57 pm

NBC4
Deputy AG Rosenstein Says He's Satisfied With Special Counsel Mueller's Work

The U.S. Department of Justice official who appointed special counsel Robert Mueller to investigate Russian efforts to influence the 2016 presidential election said he is satisfied with the special counsel’s work.

When the News4 I-Team asked Deputy U.S. Attorney General Rod Rosenstein if he was satisfied with the work thus far of the U.S. Office of the Special Counsel, Rosenstein said yes.

President Donald Trump has repeatedly called the Russia probe a politically motivated "witchhunt." Only Rosenstein would have the authority to fire Mueller.

Rosenstein, a longtime former U.S. attorney in Maryland, told the I-Team in an interview Monday that he was limited in explaining why he was satisfied with the special counsel’s work.

“When we conduct criminal investigations -- just as was true in Maryland - we don’t talk about the investigation while it’s ongoing," he said. "So what the American people will see is only if and when a case is charged. And there are several cases that have been charged to date.”


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Post by Sterngard Friegen » Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:58 pm

The most we can say for Trump is that he is the Don of a crime syndicate, not a gang.



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Post by GhostOfSolomon » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:05 pm

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000160 ... ff83920001

The whistleblower said Copson gushed that Trump's inauguration was "the best day of my life" because it meant his company's effort to create a U.S.-Russia energy partnership in the Middle East, which reportedly would have included more than two dozen nuclear plants in the region, was moving forward.
Flynn texted partners about nuclear plan during inauguration, whistleblower says


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Post by Sterngard Friegen » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:25 pm

Sounds like Mueller has had this information since June. And since Mueller now has Flynn in the bag, it is of little moment if Congress does anything about it. Cummings is doing little more than grandstanding to embarrass the Republicans. Nothing wrong with that. But the facts will come out in the subsequent criminal prosecutions. Looks like a quid pro quo for Russian cooperation with the Trump campaign.



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Post by pipistrelle » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:29 pm

GhostOfSolomon wrote:
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Post by Addie » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:30 pm

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Pence allies worried he'll be called to answer questions from Mueller: report

Vice President Pence’s aides are anxious that Pence will be summoned for an interview with special counsel Robert Mueller, CNN reported Tuesday.

Those close to Pence’s office told CNN that since former national security adviser Michael Flynn pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI and Pence, it will open the door for Mueller to question Pence.

Pence knew that Flynn had contacted Russia but didn’t know the two had discussed Russian sanctions, transition officials told the network. Pence was leading the Trump transition when Flynn called then-Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak to discuss sanctions implemented against Russia by the U.S.

A person close to Pence told CNN that his aides are “preparing” to be called for an interview with Mueller.

"Chairing the transition would make it possible regardless of who it was,” the person said.

Pence’s office denied that they are preparing for a possible interview with Mueller.


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Post by RVInit » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:39 pm

There are pretty much two possibilities regarding Pence and the transition:

1) He knew what was going on with the transition that he was heading.
2) He didn't know what was going on with the transition that he was heading.


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Post by Addie » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:45 pm

Lawfare - Josh Blackman: Obstruction of Justice and the Presidency: Part I


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Post by Dan1100 » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:49 pm

RVInit wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:39 pm
There are pretty much two possibilities regarding Pence and the transition:

1) He knew what was going on with the transition that he was heading.
2) He didn't know what was going on with the transition that he was heading.
Maybe that explains Christie's ejection.

Christie figured "it" out, and was getting ready to put a stop to "it." So, Christie was ejected and they needed someone gullible and not too bright who wouldn't figure "it" out to replace him. Pence was chosen.


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Post by GhostOfSolomon » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:50 pm

I believe this is why Pence was chosen

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Post by Sterngard Friegen » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:52 pm

Blackman teaches at South Texas College of Law for a reason.



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Post by RVInit » Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:20 pm

Click the link to automatically download the PDF document of the Timeline of Flynn's efforts to lift Russian sanctions and promote a deal to build nuclear reactors in the Middle East.



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Post by Maybenaut » Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:14 pm

RVInit wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:39 pm
There are pretty much two possibilities regarding Pence and the transition:

1) He knew what was going on with the transition that he was heading.
2) He didn't know what was going on with the transition that he was heading.
Yes. And whichever it is, it’s bad.



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Post by RTH10260 » Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:22 pm

Hannity: Mueller's investigators are partisan hacks
5 Dec 2017
Sean peels back the layers of this complex onion and exposes just how crooked and corrupt the special counsel and his team really are.
IFF you chose to digest this guys presentation:
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Post by pipistrelle » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:05 pm

I didn’t watch but am presuming this is his tick tick reference.

Can someone who did watch comment on his investigative journalism skills?



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Post by MsDaisy » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:50 pm

GhostOfSolomon wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:50 pm
I believe this is why Pence was chosen

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Who is the dude wearing the gold medallion and the Nun's hat?


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Post by GhostOfSolomon » Wed Dec 06, 2017 7:03 pm

MsDaisy wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:50 pm
GhostOfSolomon wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:50 pm
I believe this is why Pence was chosen

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Who is the dude wearing the gold medallion and the Nun's hat?
Russian Orthodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev

There is a movement of far-right extremists in the U.S. & RU who believe western liberalism and multiculturalism must be destroyed. *edit took my statement out it could be interpreted wrong.

I think the main stream media needs to address this relationship more. (is what I intended)

For more reading research ideas of Alexander Dugin
For Dugin, whose views on the evils of liberalism have been cited by Bannon and other far-right leaders, it also moved Russia a step closer to fulfilling his vision of unwinding the U.S.-led global order, in part by luring Turkey away from NATO and creating a “Russo-Islamic pact” that includes Iran.
Who is Dugin?


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Post by Estiveo » Wed Dec 06, 2017 7:05 pm

MsDaisy wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:50 pm
Who is the dude wearing the gold medallion and the Nun's hat?
Hilarion Alfeyev.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilarion_(Alfeyev)


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Post by Slartibartfast » Wed Dec 06, 2017 7:45 pm

RTH10260 wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:22 pm
Hannity: Mueller's investigators are partisan hacks
5 Dec 2017
Sean peels back the layers of this complex onion and exposes just how crooked and corrupt the special counsel and his team really are.
Jeebus Chris. :shock:

Everyone should watch that bit of Hannity (to understand just how terrible and formidable Fox News propaganda is). It is an incredibly sophisticated and potent piece of propaganda. It has just enough truth behind it that it cannot be cleanly refuted which is leveraged with well-established prior "knowledge"* to create a case that appears damning that Mueller's investigation is simply a witch hunt. And I'm sure that the audience has no problem leaping from his explicit case that Mueller and his team are completely biased to the (mostly) implicit one that Trump is not just completely innocent, but actually the victim of ruthless people who's only agenda is for him to fail. In other words, people who are behaving the same way towards Trump as Hannity and the Republicans behaved towards Obama. Which is, of course, straight out of the Republican playbook.

Incidentally, the key difference (in my opinion) between Hannity's propaganda and legitimate analysis lies in the relationships. Hannity just makes some kind of connection (a political donation of a couple hundred dollars, for instance) and implicitly assumes that connection means a given person is completely and irrevocably tainted in whatever manner is convenient from that association**. A real investigation, on the other hand, is about documenting the relationships and showing how they caused or contributed to the behavior in question. This technique (I guess you could call it the "Glenn Beck" technique) is very similar to the post hoc, ergo propter hoc fallacy.

* Things that are perceived as justified true beliefs by Hannity's viewers.

** I would note that Trump is little more than Putin's hand puppet by that standard.

And a big thank-you to the FBI agent that thought that protecting Hillary from possible (merited) prosecution was more important than his agency's impartiality and integrity and then compounded this by giving the appearance that he wasn't impartial in his role on Mueller's team (and getting caught). When are Democrats going to stop trying to explain away all the sketchy things the Clintons have done?

http://www.businessinsider.com/bill-cli ... ts-2017-11


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Post by MsDaisy » Wed Dec 06, 2017 7:48 pm

Another fucking Russian, imagine that! :doh: (No disrespect intended to the majority of innocent Russian people who far out number the criminal element types Trump and his family associate themselves with)


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Post by Slartibartfast » Wed Dec 06, 2017 7:51 pm

pipistrelle wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:05 pm
I didn’t watch but am presuming this is his tick tick reference.

Can someone who did watch comment on his investigative journalism skills?
It wasn't a piece of investigative journalism, it was high-level, well-crafted propaganda based on the investigative reporting of others. He wasn't breaking news, just connecting a bunch of dots for his viewers.


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