"The Media is failing at its job!" thread.

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Post by Suranis » Mon Sep 19, 2016 7:33 pm

The Media covering this election is worth less than 24 carrots. Vent here.


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Post by foilwatcher » Mon Sep 19, 2016 7:46 pm

If the media had any integrity at all they would send only one pool camera and one pool report to document any Trump event or presser for the sole purpose of documentation and not for broadcast or dissemination. Broadcast journalists would refuse to take any Trump calls. But it ain't gonna happen. Journalistic integrity is dead. :madguy:


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Post by p0rtia » Mon Sep 19, 2016 9:24 pm

:panic: :panic: :panic: :cantlook:

Okay. I'm back.

Thanks, Suranis.

On a more positive note, Emily Crocket of Vox was on Ari Rabin-Havt's XM show this morning (as far as I know it is not available as a replay anywhere). She was fantastic: blunt, to the point, extremely well spoken. Her best point was that tRump is gaslighting the country; that anyone who has ever dealt with abusers will recognize his constant deceit, bullying, and shifting of reality.


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Post by kate520 » Mon Sep 19, 2016 9:33 pm

I think Brian Beutler, an editor at TNR ( who used to be our editor at Firedoglake :P good job, Brian) has the right idea. Basically, the media has misplaced their charter.
Over the past three weeks, influential liberals have placed the issue of proportionality in political journalism at the center of a national debate. Joined by many conservatives, these liberals note that Donald Trump lies brazenly; lacks any identifiable grasp on the public policies he’ll be tasked with executing; and has been admonished by the Republican House speaker, among others, for racism. So why, they ask, aren’t these facts persistently dominating news coverage of this election? How can such dangerous matters be bumped beneath the fold of the front page, or to b- and c-block discussions on TV, by comparably minor developments like Hillary Clinton’s factually accurate observation that many Trump supporters are deplorable?

:snippity:

In a column last weekend titled “The Truth of ‘False Balance,’” New York Times public editor Liz Spayd dismissed out of hand the idea that the coverage decisions news outlets make can and should be influenced by judgments about what’s most important for news consumers to know.

“There are plenty of times when the media does a sloppy job of making coverage decisions,” she wrote. “It overplays stories, reaches unfounded conclusions and publishes pieces that ought to be killed. But these calls should be based on the individual merits of the stories, not a guiding philosophy that encourages value judgments.”

:snippity:

The press is not a pro-democracy trade, it is a pro-media trade. By and large, it doesn’t act as a guardian of civic norms and liberal institutions—except when press freedoms and access itself are at stake. Much like an advocacy group or lobbying firm will reserve value judgments for issues that directly touch upon the things they’re invested in, reporters and media organizations are far more concerned with things like transparency, the treatment of reporters, and first-in-line access to information of public interest, than they are with other forms of democratic accountability.
https://newrepublic.com/article/136730/ ... g-election

Frankly, this reminds me very much of a long time ago when the conservatives complained bitterly that liberals wouldn't give them a place at the news table. Liberal news organizations, of which the NYT used to be, but is no longer, the leader, basically told them it was because their ideas sucked and they should go away until they have better ideas. And they came up with Fox.

Do you agree that news organizations do not have a responsibility to educate the public? I think they are wrong and these claims are defensive bs.


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Post by esseff44 » Mon Sep 19, 2016 9:48 pm

IMO, the media should shroud him until he apologizes to Obama and the country for his birthing and apologize to Clinton for blaming her for it. They should stop letting the surrogates pivot away from the question to their talking points. I am sick to death of talking points which are 90% truthiness. They need to just shut off the mic when they pivot.

In the print media, they need to fact-check as they go even in headlines. Most people don't get past the headline or a few sentences. They never get down to any fact-checking if the reporter even bothered to include any.

I think the news media has a duty to inform the public and provide them with the information the need to make good decisions. We have too many aggregators and not enough investigators. We need more people like David Fahrenthold who has been researching Trump's charitable donations.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Meet+th ... 8&oe=utf-8

ETA: This is what they should be doing.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics ... donations/



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Post by kate520 » Mon Sep 19, 2016 10:20 pm

(Suranis, is 'chocolate balls' an insult in Ireland? I'd actually love some dark chocolate balls!)


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Post by Suranis » Mon Sep 19, 2016 10:29 pm

I played Chefs song "chocolate salty balls" on my radio show tonight so it was in my mind. "Balls" is slang for bullshit around these parts though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnNYXgV7L-c


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Post by TexasFilly » Mon Sep 19, 2016 10:37 pm

I don't want any freaking apology from Trump about birtherism. First, he will never do it. Second, no "apology" or "regret" can undo the damage that he's done by throwing gasoline on the fire of racism, bigotry, homophobia and misogyny in this country. The "media" could stop hanging on his every word, but it won't. It's all about the benjamins.


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Post by Plutodog » Mon Sep 19, 2016 11:58 pm

Suranis wrote:I played Chefs song "chocolate salty balls" on my radio show tonight so it was in my mind. "Balls" is slang for bullshit around these parts though
:snippity:
Wait, wut??? You've got a radio show???

Share, damn it!

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Post by Plutodog » Tue Sep 20, 2016 12:01 am

kate520 wrote:I think Brian Beutler, an editor at TNR ( who used to be our editor at Firedoglake :P good job, Brian) has the right idea. Basically, the media has misplaced their charter.
:snippity:
NYT Comment:
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The US media is a landscape of lackeys and cowards. The NYT is no exception.

"The corporate media create a narrative about Hillary Clinton; they repeat that narrative ad infinitum; they do a poll about that narrative; they report on the poll finding that the narrative has penetrated the public consciousness. Then they step away and summarily erase their role in creating the original narrative, retroactively justifying their creation of a false frame under the auspices of “this is what the public thinks,” as though “the public” came to that conclusion in a vacuum."

The media didn't get rick-rolled by Trump. They've been lackeys for decades now. It's been total amateur hour in the media since 2003 when they let GW Bucs take us to war in Iraq. Since then they've demonstrated to the public exactly what it means to sell out. I mean come on....Benghazi? Email servers? For years they've crammed this into our ears. Meanwhile...a real story, about how a corrupt business man can take over the Republican Party, is willfully ignored by the MSM. Never heard a peep from the NYT about his foundation. How about his bankruptcies?

No...you were not bamboozled by Trump....you volunteered to be his idiots. I don't want to hear your excuses. Most papers these days only useful for scrubbing windows. They've failed our citizenry time and time again.


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Post by Whatever4 » Tue Sep 20, 2016 8:50 am

Plutodog wrote:
Suranis wrote:I played Chefs song "chocolate salty balls" on my radio show tonight so it was in my mind. "Balls" is slang for bullshit around these parts though
:snippity:
Wait, wut??? You've got a radio show???

Share, damn it!
He's had it, and talked about it, for years. Who are you and what have you done with the real Plutodog??


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Post by fierceredpanda » Tue Sep 20, 2016 8:55 am

I am utterly convinced that the entire reason for Trump's kid-gloves treatment by the media is that 24/7 cable news ratings will plummet without a horse race to cover with breathless, up-to-the-minute coverage. A blowout Clinton victory a la Reagan in '88 '84 or Johnson in '64 would be a disaster for the precious clicks for online news and eyeballs for TV media. It's the same reason that the networks switch away from a football game when the score is 55-0 in the third quarter. Except in this case, the coverage actually gets to determine the score by influencing public opinion. CNN in particular should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves (hiring Corey Lewandowski? REALLY?), but the other networks haven't been much better.

EDIT: I fail at political history. Reagan's blowout was in '84. GW Bush also won by a blowout in 88.


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Post by Adrianinflorida » Tue Sep 20, 2016 8:59 am

fierceredpanda wrote:I am utterly convinced that the entire reason for Trump's kid-gloves treatment by the media is that 24/7 cable news ratings will plummet without a horse race to cover with breathless, up-to-the-minute coverage. A blowout Clinton victory a la Reagan in '88 or Johnson in '64 would be a disaster for the precious clicks for online news and eyeballs for TV media. It's the same reason that the networks switch away from a football game when the score is 55-0 in the third quarter. Except in this case, the coverage actually gets to determine the score by influencing public opinion. CNN in particular should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves (hiring Corey Lewandowski? REALLY?), but the other networks haven't been much better.
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gross thread name

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Post by listeme » Tue Sep 20, 2016 9:00 am

So... if that is true, does that mean that the only thing cable news really covers is politics? Is it all about covering the big game (Decision Desk 2016, and so on?)

What else is cable tv news for?


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Post by Adrianinflorida » Tue Sep 20, 2016 9:01 am

listeme wrote:So... if that is true, does that mean that the only thing cable news really covers is politics? Is it all about covering the big game (Decision Desk 2016, and so on?)

What else is cable tv news for?
Death, destruction, sex and Trump. Not necessarily in that order



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Post by TollandRCR » Tue Sep 20, 2016 9:04 am

The topic is essential, but the title is ineffective on this side of the Atlantic.


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Post by Sam the Centipede » Tue Sep 20, 2016 9:54 am

TollandRCR wrote:The topic is essential, but the title is ineffective on this side of the Atlantic.
:eek2: Wot?! No chocolate in Yoo-rup? Is this due to impending Brexit? :eek2:



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Post by Foggy » Tue Sep 20, 2016 10:02 am

Maybe "stinking chocolate balls"?

"Hairy chocolate balls"?


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Post by Suranis » Tue Sep 20, 2016 10:13 am

It's an example of Irish Cultural Imperialism. :mrgreen:

I'm open to suggestions. And I just added the word salty :twisted:


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Post by listeme » Tue Sep 20, 2016 10:16 am

Gross.

Maybe I'll just keep my media comments in the Hillary thread.


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Post by esseff44 » Tue Sep 20, 2016 10:19 am

It would be much more helpful is the Subject of the thread was something that reflected the subject and could be searched. :prettyplease:



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Post by Suranis » Tue Sep 20, 2016 10:35 am

Yeesh fine. Happy?

Foggy can change it to something more apropo if he wants.


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Post by Foggy » Tue Sep 20, 2016 10:35 am

I like the new title. :blink:


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Post by listeme » Tue Sep 20, 2016 10:40 am

WooT!

Thanks, you guys :lovestruck:

Edited to be back on topic:

I would say that overall CNN has been horrible, NYT has been (surprisingly to me) wayyyy too bothsidesitis, and Washington Post has been decent. FOX hasn't been worse than usual, but they are obviously terrible.

The birtherism bait and switch last week may have woken up some of the folks at CNN and NYT, but I don't know how long it will last.


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Post by Flatpointhigh » Tue Sep 20, 2016 11:33 am

Adrianinflorida wrote:
listeme wrote:So... if that is true, does that mean that the only thing cable news really covers is politics? Is it all about covering the big game (Decision Desk 2016, and so on?)

What else is cable tv news for?
Death, destruction, sex and Trump. Not necessarily in that order
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