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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:15 am 
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don't be surprised if he misses a comma somewhere or leaves out a parallel citation. You could probably even find a few minor grammar and/or spelling errors in this website.


I threw up a little in my mouth just like I do when someone answers "I sometimes work too hard" to "What is your greatest weakness?" in a job interview.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:18 am 
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Was Mr. Collette performing his services under the supervision of a licensed attorney?
That's a good question. I suppose it's possible that the testimonial refers to Jerry's performance when he was previously employed by an attorney. (And how could you find a better supervisor than Roni Deutch?) :lol:

To obtain a conviction for UPL, you might need at least one concrete unsupervised transaction. However, the Florida Bar also has in its quiver the remedy of injunction. It seems to me that his website alone might be sufficient to support enjoining him from engaging in this "enterprise" -- even if he has no actual victims clients.

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Would this guy have to work under the supervision of an attorney in California?



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:20 am 
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TexasFilly wrote:
http://www.floridabar.org/tfb/TFBConsum.nsf/48e76203493b82ad852567090070c9b9/59cac57c8be11c2085256b2f006c58a5?OpenDocument

Do you think Jerry will assist me to "fill in the blanks"? :D



PS. TFB == The Fogbow == The Florida Bar :mrgreen: (seen in URL above)


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don't be surprised if he misses a comma somewhere or leaves out a parallel citation. You could probably even find a few minor grammar and/or spelling errors in this website.


I threw up a little in my mouth just like I do when someone answers "I sometimes work too hard" to "What is your greatest weakness?" in a job interview.


What's a good bullshit answer for that question?

My real answer is "Fuck you, I don't work for places that give a Scientology personality test."

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 2:53 pm 
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My new favorite answer to that crap: "That's a clown question, bro. "


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A Legal Lohengrin wrote:
What's a good bullshit answer for that question?

My real answer is "Fuck you, I don't work for places that give a Scientology personality test."


You take a question like this, which is heavily negative, and turn it into a positive. So if you're asked about a negative trait, mention how you deal with it so it doesn't affect your work.

When asked this at my last interview, I mentioned that I have a problem with tunnel vision and I get too focused on only one solution to a problem. Since I know this is an issue with me, I don't hesitate to bounce ideas off coworkers, which helps to not only identify other avenues of approach, but in doing so I've discovered that by simply talking about the problem out loud I often times see solutions I never considered before.

I got the job.

Unless this was a rhetorical question, in which case Bluebook's answer above will suffice.

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My greatest weakness is a recurrent urge to answer loaded questions sarcastically. However, that's offset by my greatest strength, which is self-control.

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This guy claims to be a member of Mensa? We saw some proof of Aristotle the Hun's claim, albeit in the form of a reproof from national headquarters for misrepresenting his local position as a national position, but is there any proof that Collette ever qualified? I think he is the sort of person who would claim anything that he thinks makes his lowly, unsuccessful self appear exalted.

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This guy claims to be a member of Mensa? We saw some proof of Aristotle the Hun's claim, albeit in the form of a reproof from national headquarters for misrepresenting his local position as a national position, but is there any proof that Collette ever qualified? I think he is the sort of person who would claim anything that he thinks makes his lowly, unsuccessful self appear exalted.


Frankly, the Mensa test is not that hard and does not prove intelligence that far above the norm. I think someone of average intelligence could probably be trained to pass it. Some friends and I did the home version and all passed. We also asked the questions from it to the father of the household we were at, and despite the fact that he was drunk, he stunned us all by getting every question right without any delay or even using paper. Of course, he would probably have passed even the more rigorous tests of the more selective high IQ dicksizing groups.

I don't think people with success in real life actually feel compelled to seek approval from people based on a natural accident of being able to score high on a standardized test. Good. So you have a good natural ability. Have you done anything with it? If so, what?

Is there a society for people with a particularly strong pectoral muscle? I don't think so. Why? Because having a particularly large pectoral muscle is irrelevant to anything important. However, people do win Olympic medals in javelin throwing, something where the pectoral muscle is important.

Mensa is, basically, a group of wankers. It is no surprise that a wanker like Collette would boast of membership. It would be doubly pathetic if he did not qualify, because that would mean he is incapable of even qualifying to be a wanker.

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Mensa is, basically, a group of wankers. It is no surprise that a wanker like Collette would boast of membership. It would be doubly pathetic if he did not qualify, because that would mean he is incapable of even qualifying to be a wanker.


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However, people do win Olympic medals in javelin throwing, something where the pectoral muscle is important.


You know, that sentence right there just inspired a bunch of internet porn watchers to reach for the stars.

YES, YOU TOO COULD QUALIFY!!

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The Drip has up a new press release on the case. It says Collette offered to limit discovery to "just the original birth records". The President's attorneys declined - color me surprised. :lol:

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Jerry Collette, plaintiff in the Pasco County Florida Ballot Challenge case against Barack Obama, stated that attorneys for Obama have declined an offer from Collette to limit discovery to Obama’s birth records. Collette said, “My offer was very simple. If I survive the motions to dismiss, Obama would permit me access to the original and microfiche birth records in Hawaii and the copies he claims to have gotten from Hawaii last year, then I would waive all other discovery. They declined my offer.”

Sam Sewell, Director of the Florida Ballot Challenge said, “This is amazing. Collette was willing to give up access to Obama’s social security, draft, and college records, any of which could contain information very damaging to Obama, yet Obama is still unwilling to release his original birth records.”

George Miller, Assistant Director of the Obama State Ballot Challenge added, “Collette was also willing to give up his right to depose Obama. That was huge. Remember, the lie that led to Bill Clinton’s impeachment occurred during a deposition.”

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Despite their delusions to the contrary, Dummett, Kerchner, Purpura, Collette and Taitz are not the gatekeepers for the eligibility of anybody for anything.

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Amazing. Collete was willing to give up his rights to stuff he had no rights to anyway. Whataguy!

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Amazing. Collete was willing to give up his rights to stuff he had no rights to anyway. Whataguy!


In exchange for the President giving him access to records that he has no actual ability to authorize access to, as original records held by the State of Hawaii.

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Amazing. Collete was willing to give up his rights to stuff he had no rights to anyway. Whataguy!


In exchange for the President giving him access to records that he has no actual ability to authorize access to, as original records held by the State of Hawaii.


Also, for access to microfiche that may not exist or may not have ever existed.

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The Drip has up a new press release on the case. It says Collette offered to limit discovery to "just the original birth records". The President's attorneys declined - color me surprised. :lol:

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Jerry Collette, plaintiff in the Pasco County Florida Ballot Challenge case against Barack Obama, stated that attorneys for Obama have declined an offer from Collette to limit discovery to Obama’s birth records. Collette said, “My offer was very simple. If I survive the motions to dismiss, Obama would permit me access to the original and microfiche birth records in Hawaii and the copies he claims to have gotten from Hawaii last year, then I would waive all other discovery. They declined my offer.”

Sam Sewell, Director of the Florida Ballot Challenge said, “This is amazing. Collette was willing to give up access to Obama’s social security, draft, and college records, any of which could contain information very damaging to Obama, yet Obama is still unwilling to release his original birth records.”

I'd say this amounts to an indirect confirmation that there is some really hinky stuff in Obama's birth records.

Maybe Gifted Negotiator Jerry should throw in a 50% interest in his Publisher's Clearing House winnings as an added incentive.

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Docket update. All filings by plaintiff Collette.
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6/28/2012 PL 1 4 AFF TO REASONABLE ATTY FEE :lol:
6/28/2012 PL 1 3 AFFIDAVIT: OF NON COMPLIANCE
6/28/2012 PL 1 2 MTN FOR FINAL JDMT
6/28/2012 PL 1 1 MISCELLANEOUS DOCUMENT SUPPLEMENTAL BRIEF IN OPPOSITION TO MTNS TO DISMISS

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As a pro se plaintiff, Collette is asking for attorney's fees? Who is responsible for enforcing UPL in Florida? His website advertising should be enough for an investigation.

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As a pro se plaintiff, Collette is asking for attorney's fees? Who is responsible for enforcing UPL in Florida? His website advertising should be enough for an investigation.


http://www.floridabar.org/tfb/TFBConsum ... enDocument

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The question of whether attorneys representing themselves can collect attorney fee awards is a complicated question depending upon the jurisdiction and the legal basis for requesting award of fees. In some cases (especially those where attorneys defend themselves against frivolous claims or where the entitlement to fees is based in contract or a specific fee-shifting statute) the answer is sometimes "Yes". But more generally (especially where the pro se attorney initiates the suit) the answer is "No."

But a paralegal? Sorry, Jerry, I don't theenk so. My advice is not to spend that fee award quite yet.

Yoo hoo, Solicitor Jerry! You might want to check out this case: Kay v. Ehrler, 499 US 432 (1991). Addressing the underlying public policy authorizing fee awards in a civil-rights/ballot-challenge case, the U.S. Supreme Court held:

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A rule that authorizes awards of counsel fees to pro se litigants —even if limited to those who are members of the bar— would create a disincentive to employ counsel whenever such a plaintiff considered himself competent to litigate on his own behalf. The statutory policy of furthering the successful prosecution of meritorious claims is better served by a rule that creates an incentive to retain counsel in every such case.

Yeah, I know, I know, the case doesn't apply because Kay was a licensed Florida attorney whereas Jerry is the world's most brilliant paralegal. Oh well.

Edit: Adding: One of the great things about not knowing squat about the law is the excitement of always getting to litigate something brand new that no one else has ever considered before! It reminds me of the joke about the joys of having Alzheimer's Disease: Every day you get to make new friends all over again.

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Piffle wrote:
...You might want to check out this case: Kay v. Ehrler, 499 US 432 (1991). Addressing the underlying public policy authorizing fee awards, the Supreme Court held:
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A rule that authorizes awards of counsel fees to pro se litigants —even if limited to those who are members of the bar— would create a disincentive to employ counsel whenever such a plaintiff considered himself competent to litigate on his own behalf. The statutory policy of furthering the successful prosecution of meritorious claims is better served by a rule that creates an incentive to retain counsel in every such case.

Yeah, I know, I know, the case doesn't apply because Kay was a licensed Florida attorney whereas Jerry is the world's most brilliant paralegal. Oh well.

But what does an outshineing paralegal have for other choices when his is not a meritious claim :?:


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Piffle wrote:
The question of whether attorneys representing themselves can collect attorney fee awards is a complicated question depending upon the jurisdiction and the legal basis for requesting award of fees.


There is generally a test of some sort.

Circuits are split on this, but one example is where a pro se attorney files a FOIA suit and prevails. In addition to the ordinary fee-shifting test, jurisdictions that allow a pro se attorney to collect fees generally require that the attorney have been acting in the public interest and that the attorney forewent other paying employment.

I believe the majority rule in FOIA cases, though, is that fees are not available to the pro se litigant, attorney or otherwise.

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But what does an outshineing paralegal have for other choices when his is not a meritious claim :?:

:D :D Choices? I think he's just "RSOL".*
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