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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 6:49 pm 
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The Kansas State Objections Board meets tomorrow (Thursday, Sept 13) in Topeka to consider several petitions against various candidates, including one filed by one Joe Montgomery challenging the "eligibility of Barack Obama for president of the United States as nominated by the Democratic Party."

Topeka Capital-Journal (very brief) article

Earlier this year, another man filed an objection based on the validity of the COLB, but the board ruled it was too early, because Kansas law says any challenge to a candidate being on the ballot must be made within three days of the candidate officially filing.

The State Objections Board consists of Attorney Gen'l Derek Schmidt, Secretary of State Kris Kobach, and Lt Gov. Jeff Colyer, all Republicans.


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The Kansas State Objections Board meets tomorrow (Thursday, Sept 13) in Topeka to consider several petitions against various candidates, including one filed by one Joe Montgomery challenging the "eligibility of Barack Obama for president of the United States as nominated by the Democratic Party."

The wording is similar for two other presidential candidates also being challenged:
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Filed by Andre Barnett and David Collison to the eligibility of Chuck Baldwin for president of the United States and Joseph Martin for vice president as nominated by the Reform Party of Kansas;

Filed by Casey Peters to the ineligibility of Roseanne Barr for president of the United States and Cindy Sheehan for vice president as nominated by the State Association of Americans Elect Ballot Lines.

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Slash - welcome to the fogbow. (You're on the Capital Journal quite a bit, as am I. :))


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Welcome Slash... :-bd

All the comments are negative. :lol:

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huffpo reported on this today.

Obama Birther Challenge Subject Of Kansas Objections Board Hearing

Posted: 09/13/2012 12:25 pm Updated: 09/13/2012 12:33 pm


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The Kansas Objections Board will be considering a challenge filed by Joe Montgomery, a Manhattan resident, who Monday objected to Obama being on the ballot. He claims the president is not an American citizen since his father was a citizen of the United Kingdom and Kenya. The all-Republican board -- which consists of Secretary of State Kris Kobach, Lt. Gov. Jeff Colyer and Attorney General Derek Schmidt -- has the power to remove Obama from the ballot in his mother's home state.

Montgomery, the communications coordinator for the College of Veterinary Medicine at Kansas State University, said in his filing that he does not believe Obama meets the criteria for citizenship because of his father's citizenship. He cites several Supreme Court rulings in the filing, which he says validate his argument. In the filing, Montgomery said that the rulings show a "natural born citizen" is a person born of two American citizens.

Montgomery wrote:


yeah... at the link
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/1 ... _hp_ref=tw


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The Kansas Objections Board will be considering a challenge filed by Joe Montgomery, a Manhattan resident ...

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mimi wrote:
huffpo reported on this today.

yeah... at the link
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/1 ... _hp_ref=tw




I see M.T. Chair, Esq. has been retained by the defense.


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Mr Chair has a perfect record. He'll be fine.


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No article yet.

They voted to put the decision off until Monday. They are going to request more documentation - from either Hawaii or the Obama campaign. I'll post more when there is a detailed article.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 6:00 pm 
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The people on the Kansas Elections Board are about to get a lot of unwanted attention from birfers.


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Msottement wrote:
No article yet.

They voted to put the decision off until Monday. They are going to request more documentation - from either Hawaii or the Obama campaign. I'll post more when there is a detailed article.


Shameful.

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Msottement wrote:
No article yet.

They voted to put the decision off until Monday. They are going to request more documentation - from either Hawaii or the Obama campaign. I'll post more when there is a detailed article.


I'm looking at the reporter's twitter feed on that cjonline story. It sure seems like your SoS Kobach is intent on further embarassing Kansas.

e.g. andymarso RT @BrentWistrom: Kobach says Kansas could request Hawaii provide certified birth certificate and/or other docs to prove he qualifies fo ...


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Letter sent to all three:

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As a citizen of Kansas, I'm deeply saddened by the Objection Board to ask for more documentation from President Obama or from the State of Hawaii to decide whether or not the current President is, in fact, eligible to run for his position again. Kansas has just been made a mockery by the decision of you and the other gentlemen on the Board.

The Supreme Court in the Wong Kim Ark (169 U. S. 649 (1898))decision clearly states:

"The foregoing considerations and authorities irresistibly lead us to these conclusions: the Fourteenth Amendment affirms the ancient and fundamental rule of citizenship by birth within the territory, in the allegiance and under the protection of the country, including all children here born of resident aliens, with the exceptions or qualifications (as old as the rule itself) of children of foreign sovereigns or their ministers, or born on foreign public ships, or of enemies within and during a hostile occupation of part of our territory, and with the single additional exception of children of members of the Indian tribes owing direct allegiance to their several tribes. The Amendment, in clear words and in manifest intent, includes the children born, within the territory of the United States, of all other persons, of whatever race or color, domiciled within the United States. Every citizen or subject of another country, while domiciled here, is within the allegiance and the protection, and consequently subject to the jurisdiction, of the United States. His allegiance to the United States is direct and immediate, and, although but local and temporary, continuing only so long as he remains within our territory, is yet, in the words of Lord Coke inCalvin’s Case, 7 Rep. 6a, “strong enough to make a natural subject, for if he hath issue here, that issue is a natural-born subject;' and his child, as said by Mr. Binney in his essay before quoted, “if born in the country, is as much a citizen as the natural-born child of a citizen, and by operation of the same principle.'"

President Obama released his legal birth certificate to the public in 2008. It can be viewed at:
http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazona ... tObama.jpg

In 2007, he released his "long form" birth certificate, as well:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default ... g-form.pdf

In addition, the State of Hawaii has verified his birthplace in Hawaii independently of the birth certificates. Twice:
http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2008/08-93.pdf
http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2009/09-063.pdf

The State of Hawaii has also verified the information on the "long form" birth certificate.
Once for the Secretary of State of Arizona:
http://www.azcentral.com/12news/Obama-Verification.pdf

And again in a federal lawsuit in Mississippi, brought by "Birther Queen" Orly Taitz:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/96200621/2012 ... s-S-D-Miss

I"m disappointed that you would attempt to score political points by letting this farce continue.

Thanks,

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Msottement... =D> =D> =D>

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The campaign chose the empty chair defense... probably not a good idea this time, but the final outcome will be the same. It's especially shameful for these asshats to play partisan politics in the birth state of President Obama's mother. :evil:

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In 2007, he released his "long form" birth certificate, as well:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default ... g-form.pdf


Oops.


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In 2007, he released his "long form" birth certificate, as well:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default ... g-form.pdf


Oops.


Damn!


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On the plus side, even Kris "Show me your papers" Kobach didn't buy the two-citizen-parent theory from Minor v Happersett; he said he thought Montgomery was trying to read too much into dicta.

I'll have a longer report late.


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I hope that neither Hawaii nor POTUS respond to any requests from them and use the empty chair again. They know POTUS was born in Hawaii and, based on the complaint, that seems irrelevant, it is all NBC crap again. What do they want, legal briefings or an advisory opinion from Hawaii or POTUS as to the meaning of NBC. Let Kobach (a vile POS if ever there was one) either bite the bullet and acknowledge that POTUS is an NBC or make this a huge black eye for Kansas and the Romney campaign.


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slash2k wrote:
On the plus side, even Kris "Show me your papers" Kobach didn't buy the two-citizen-parent theory from Minor v Happersett; he said he thought Montgomery was trying to read too much into dicta.

I'll have a longer report late.


That's at least some small consolation.

The rest, not so much.

Look forward to your full report. :-bd

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That HuffPo article has an update:

UPDATE: 5:52 p.m. -- The all-Republican Objections Board voted unanimously on Thursday afternoon to delay a final decision on Obama's eligibility for the state's ballot until a meeting Monday, pending either documentation on the president's citizenship from Hawaii officials or the presence of the Obama campaign.

According to tweets from the meeting, Kobach proposed that the board meet again Monday to discuss Obama's citizenship and look into receiving more documentation. Board members expressed concern that Obama's campaign did not attend the hearing, instead submitting a letter defending the president and saying he is eligible for the ballot in Kansas. State Democratic Party spokesman Dakota Loomis told HuffPost earlier Thursday that Democrats would not be attending the hearing, which he dismissed as "fictitious and baseless."

Joe Montgomery, the Kansas State University employee who brought the objection, attended the hearing. Tweets from meeting attendees indicated that the entire board had concerns about Obama's campaign not attending.

In May, Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett (R) suggested that he would not allow Obama onto his state's ballot unless Hawaii provided a certified copy of the president's birth certificate. Hawaiian officials provided a list of steps on how they would release the documents, requiring Arizona to prove need. Bennett later backed down on the suggestion.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/1 ... 80957.html


Cracker-to-English translation: "Show us your papers, boy."


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The campaign chose the empty chair defense... probably not a good idea this time, but the final outcome will be the same. It's especially shameful for these asshats to play partisan politics in the birth state of President Obama's mother. :evil:


I respectfully disagree. The Empty Chair(TM) is the perfect response to demonstrate that serious consideration of this CT is beneath the dignity of the Board.

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More WTF!!??

From cjonline

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Kansas panel delays ballot decision on Obama
Kobach seeks Democrat's birth records
Posted: September 13, 2012 - 5:57pm
By Tim Carpenter
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Three of the state's top elected Republicans on Thursday determined they lacked sufficient evidence of President Barack Obama's birth records to decide whether to remove the Democratic nominee from the November ballot in Kansas.

The State Objections Board comprised of Secretary of State Kris Kobach, Attorney General Derek Schmidt and Lt. Gov. Jeff Colyer postponed until Monday action on a complaint filed by a Manhattan resident pending review of a copy of Obama's birth certificate from Hawaii.

"I don't think it's a frivolous objection," Kobach said. "I do think the factual record could be supplemented." :evil:

He proposed requests be sent to officials in Hawaii, Arizona and Mississippi in an attempt to secure copies of the president's birth records. The president released a copy of his birth certificate last year, but detractors persist in advancing arguments the Democrat lacked proper standing.


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In other action, the board unanimously decided Democratic candidate Tom Sawyer could remain on the ballot as a candidate for the Kansas House from Wichita.

The panel also declared the Reform Party of Kansas had the authority to place on the state's ballot Chuck Baldwin for president instead the national organization's choice. In addition, the board approved a request to remove presidential candidate Roseanne Barr from Kansas ballots.


I bet they didn't have to show their papers, boy. :evil: :evil:

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