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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:34 pm 
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Except that she is but one of the four panelists, which indicates 3 of the 4 did not read through it in any depth. This acts to permit one judge to testify about the facts and evidence, or lack thereof, for the benefit of the other 3 judges. The other 3 people are there to perform that function, not to have it done for them in this manner. This probably violates a rule or two, at least in spirit.


You are making wild speculations about what the judges did or did not do prior to the hearing. You do not know, and just because one hearing officer asked questions of concern to the panel doesn't mean no other judge read the materials. Have you never watched such a panel or an appellate proceeding before? This is exactly how they go, and you cannot make unfounded conclusions based upon what occurred. It's ludicrous. (And you're ignoring that the initial comment about the SSN being irrelevant, which indicates that hearing officer did, in fact, know of the claims they were about to make. This was mentioned above. Perhaps you missed it?)


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Except that she is but one of the four panelists, which indicates 3 of the 4 did not read through it in any depth. This acts to permit one judge to testify about the facts and evidence, or lack thereof, for the benefit of the other 3 judges. The other 3 people are there to perform that function, not to have it done for them in this manner. This probably violates a rule or two, at least in spirit.


Can you give us the possible text of a rule that might have been violated, at least in spirit?

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:37 pm 
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Have you never watched such a panel or an appellate proceeding before? This is exactly how they go, and you cannot make unfounded conclusions based upon what occurred. It's ludicrous. (And you're ignoring that the initial comment about the SSN being irrelevant, which indicates that hearing officer did, in fact, know of the claims they were about to make. This was mentioned above. Perhaps you missed it?)


Yes, I have watched them before. This is how the bad ones go. Win or lose, good ones go differently.

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I think the when the lady asked if Orly was licensed to practice law in Indiana and she said that she was not and that her "client" misspoke" the board was done with her. They knew she was a lying asshole. She then tried to dance around the rules by becoming a fake witness just like she did in Georgia. I wish they would follow up on this and the other crap.

Yup. Poor "cross-examination" by the commission. The commissioners should first have asked Taitz if she intended to appear as an attorney for the challengers. If she said yes, that would be the end of it. Instead, the female commissioner advised Taitz in advance Taitz couldn't appear as a lawyer. And Taitz then tried to turn to her ever-ready witness mode.

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FOR ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY:

http://bleachandlight.blogspot.com/2012 ... diana.html

I have not done anything like an edit yet, much less a listen-along. Probably tomorrow I'll fill in the question marks. Quote anything you like.


You rock! =D> \:D/ :-bd

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:42 pm 
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Balak wrote:
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Have you never watched such a panel or an appellate proceeding before? This is exactly how they go, and you cannot make unfounded conclusions based upon what occurred. It's ludicrous. (And you're ignoring that the initial comment about the SSN being irrelevant, which indicates that hearing officer did, in fact, know of the claims they were about to make. This was mentioned above. Perhaps you missed it?)


Yes, I have watched them before. This is how the bad ones go. Win or lose, good ones go differently.


Well, I guess when the hearing panel award nominations come due, you won't be nominating this panel. :-bd


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Roboe wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:
listeme wrote:
FOR ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY:

http://bleachandlight.blogspot.com/2012 ... diana.html

I have not done anything like an edit yet, much less a listen-along. Probably tomorrow I'll fill in the question marks. Quote anything you like.


You rock! =D> \:D/ :-bd

I second that 'You rock', very much appreciated :-bd


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:44 pm 
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Except that she is but one of the four panelists, which indicates 3 of the 4 did not read through it in any depth. This acts to permit one judge to testify about the facts and evidence, or lack thereof, for the benefit of the other 3 judges. The other 3 people are there to perform that function, not to have it done for them in this manner. This probably violates a rule or two, at least in spirit.


Can you give us the possible text of a rule that might have been violated, at least in spirit?


Most states have similar rules:

A JUDGE SHALL UPHOLD THE INTEGRITY AND INDEPENDENCE OF THE JUDICIARY.

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An independent and honorable judiciary is indispensable to justice in our society. A judge should participate in establishing, maintaining and enforcing high standards of conduct, and shall personally observe those standards so that the integrity and independence of the judiciary will be preserved. The provisions of these Canons are to be construed and applied to further that objective.

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Deference to the judgments and rulings of courts depends upon public confidence in the integrity and independence of judges. The integrity and independence of judges depends in turn upon their acting without fear or favor. Although judges should be independent, they must comply with the law, including the provisions of these Canons. Public confidence in the impartiality of the judiciary is maintained by the adherence of each judge to this responsibility. Conversely, violation of this Canon diminishes public confidence in the judiciary and thereby does injury to the system of government under law.


A judge shall perform judicial duties without bias or prejudice. A judge shall not, in the performance of judicial duties, by words or conduct manifest bias or prejudice, including but not limited to bias or prejudice based upon race, sex, religion, national origin, disability, age, sexual orientation or socioeconomic status, and shall not permit staff, court officials and others subject to the judge's direction and control to do so. This Section 3B(5) does not preclude proper judicial consideration when race, sex, religion, national origin, disability, age, sexual orientation or socioeconomic status, or similar factors, are issues in the proceeding.

http://www.courts.state.va.us/agencies/ ... 12398.html

I suppose it is possible to kick someone's butt out of court with decorum.

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I've done the research and it turns out all of the commission members are Iranian Muslims.

Guess Indiana is long overdue for a new nookyalar power plant. :-


Why? Half the state is a wind farm

The other half is Amish.


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listeme wrote:
FOR ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY:

http://bleachandlight.blogspot.com/2012 ... diana.html

I have not done anything like an edit yet, much less a listen-along. Probably tomorrow I'll fill in the question marks. Quote anything you like.
Excellent, thank you. \:D/

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I am putting Balak on ignore and I advise others do so as well.


Duly ignored. Y'all have a great weekend!


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:47 pm 
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Balak wrote:
Most states have similar rules:

A JUDGE SHALL UPHOLD THE INTEGRITY AND INDEPENDENCE OF THE JUDICIARY.



How does a commissioner's behavior (of any sort) reflect upon the integrity and independence of the judiciary? (even in spirit)

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Balak wrote:
Except that she is but one of the four panelists, which indicates 3 of the 4 did not read through it in any depth. This acts to permit one judge to testify about the facts and evidence, or lack thereof, for the benefit of the other 3 judges. The other 3 people are there to perform that function, not to have it done for them in this manner. This probably violates a rule or two, at least in spirit.

How on earth does the fact that one of the panelists speaks in detail about Orly's submissions prove in any way that "3 of the 4 did not read it in any depth". Where's your evidence for this?

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A Legal Lohengrin wrote:
I am putting Balak on ignore and I advise others do so as well. This argument seems to be about whether there should even be rules of admissibility at all. There are and they were properly applied.

I'm just pointing this out to save him any wasted time posting things expecting a response from me. The last batch of responses is so completely disconnected from the reality of evidentiary rules that frankly I don't see why to shit up this thread further with what looks to me like desperate attempts to distract from Orly's incompetence.

I have no idea why this poster might do this, but whatever the reason, it has rapidly gone from merely ill-informed to actively perverse.

What took you so long?

But for Foggy vouching that he is an anti-birther I think he would feel right at home in the middle of Taitz's pile of :turd: smear. Ignoring evidence. Constantly asserting false claims and repeatedly misrepresenting the proceedings. (How many times did he say it was a "court" or that there was "evidence"? And on and on.) Moving the goal posts. Commiserating for the poor Orly Taitz.

Give me a break.

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I am putting Balak on ignore and I advise others do so as well.


And I removed "Curious Blue" from ignore on advise of others.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:51 pm 
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Balak wrote:

I am not aware of any Garbage Exception which operates to automatically detect Garbage Suits. The Garbage tag is usually attached after either a hearing or some other gatekeeping function. With that in mind, this panel should have either accepted the garbage, then properly labled it as garbage after judicially sniffing it, or if they pre-weighed the garbage before the hearing, so announced in open court that it was garbage and they did not intend to hear it.


Is that not what happened? And garbage is as garbage does. These are all attorneys and they understand the concept of evidence and why Orly's 300 pages of rubbish fails.

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I am putting Balak on ignore and I advise others do so as well.


Duly ignored. Y'all have a great weekend!


Um, I spoke too soon :oops: , thinking it would be a simple button to click. How do I "ignore" someone?


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MR. DUMEZICH: Whoa, whoa. Let's stop. Stop right there. Present your case. We're not covering anything up. We're allowing you to speak your mind and putting it before the commission. If you're disrespectful like that one more time, your butt's going to be gone. You got that?

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I have made the points I wanted to make. I can not add anything else here. So, ignore away.

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I suppose it is possible to kick someone's butt out of court with decorum.


Yes, especially since the Commission Members are not judges. For goodness sakes my friend, you are all over the map with your 'arguments' but none appear to stick. ](*,)

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MR. DUMEZICH: Whoa, whoa. Let's stop. Stop right there. Present your case. We're not covering anything up. We're allowing you to speak your mind and putting it before the commission. If you're disrespectful like that one more time, your butt's going to be gone. You got that?


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SLQ wrote:
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A Legal Lohengrin wrote:
I am putting Balak on ignore and I advise others do so as well.


Duly ignored. Y'all have a great weekend!


Um, I spoke too soon :oops: , thinking it would be a simple button to click. How do I "ignore" someone?

Go to your profile and manage friends and foes. Then click on Foes and add this poster's name to the Hall of Ignominy.

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SLQ wrote:
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A Legal Lohengrin wrote:
I am putting Balak on ignore and I advise others do so as well.


Duly ignored. Y'all have a great weekend!


Um, I spoke too soon :oops: , thinking it would be a simple button to click. How do I "ignore" someone?

Add him to your "Foes" list.

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SLQ wrote:
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A Legal Lohengrin wrote:
I am putting Balak on ignore and I advise others do so as well.


Duly ignored. Y'all have a great weekend!


Um, I spoke too soon :oops: , thinking it would be a simple button to click. How do I "ignore" someone?
Go to your user control panel, click on the bit that says manage foes, add the ignored user to your foes list et voila! They will only exist in quoted form.

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I have made the points I wanted to make. I can not add anything else here. So, ignore away.


There is a difference between 'making points' and 'scoring points', the first one is often pointless, the latter one has more relevance. Like Orly's 'evidence' your points have been mostly lacking in substance. No worries, I appreciate the effort.

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