Georgia Ballot Challenge

Slartibartfast · **Joined:** Mon Aug 10, 2009 2:52 pm **Posts:** 1557

Nathanael wrote:

conspiracy theorists live in the hidey holes of doubt.

When all of their arguments have been laid waste, they always fall back on the good old "god of the gaps"...

gshevlin · **Joined:** Tue Jan 31, 2012 3:05 pm **Posts:** 105

Slartibartfast wrote:

Nathanael wrote:

conspiracy theorists live in the hidey holes of doubt.

When all of their arguments have been laid waste, they always fall back on the good old "god of the gaps"...

Otherwise known as "They hid the evidence that HEDIDIT!"

A Legal Lohengrin · **Joined:** Tue Oct 26, 2010 9:56 pm **Posts:** 9399

Nathanael wrote:

So there you have it, folks. Any conspiracy theory can be answered in one of two ways: either by Occam's razor and the argument from experience -- when have you ever seen an extraterrestrial, or a lifelike android? then the assertion that Obama is a robotic ET is just plain silly -- or by asking the sceptic how he ever gets across the street. After all, it's not impossible, deductively speaking, that a Mack truck suddenly appears out of nowhere the instant I look the other way.

You just gave an excellent explanation for why the proper response to a birther or similar pinhead is not to refute their reasoning, but to tell them "STFU you stupid bastard" and then make fun of their clothes.

rajah · **Posted:** Sun Feb 12, 2012 7:30 pm

What I am looking forward to is when Carl Swensons case gets denied by SCOTUS (if it ever gets there). We now refer to the Ankeny v Indiana case as " Ankeny. Can you imagine the irony when future lawyers say " According to 'Swenson', Natural Born Citizen means born in the USA regardless of parentage"
Regards ............Dick

lyssandri · **Posted:** Sun Feb 12, 2012 7:36 pm

Offtopic :

Plutodog wrote:

Suranis wrote:

Clairez wrote:

After all this time you still have flat earthers!

Excuse me a flat earth is impossible, because if the earth was flat where would the Atlantis who rule the Hollow Earth live? Eh? Eh?

Easy peasy! We gots layerz! $\:D/$

Wait... so the earth is a forgery?

GreatGrey · **Posted:** Sun Feb 12, 2012 7:41 pm

SueDB wrote:

Even bad publicity mascara is publicity mascara. - Orly's Motto

FIFY

Wintermute · **Posted:** Sun Feb 12, 2012 8:18 pm

rajah wrote:

What I am looking forward to is when Carl Swensons case gets denied by SCOTUS (if it ever gets there). We now refer to the Ankeny v Indiana case as " Ankeny. Can you imagine the irony when future lawyers say " According to 'Swenson', Natural Born Citizen means born in the USA regardless of parentage"
Regards ............Dick

+1

Dr. Blue · **Joined:** Sat Jan 07, 2012 11:01 am **Posts:** 308

Nathanael wrote:

I'll give Farrar props for two things: one, as someone downthread said, he's rational. Two (or maybe this is just a corallary to one), he doesn't fly off into the usual "They got to him!" birther claptrap. That may be the reason I bother participating in discussions with him at all.

Gotta disagree with you on #1 there. He has read the Minor decision. What it says is plain as day, and it's nothing like what he claims it says. That's not rational.

Dr. Blue · **Joined:** Sat Jan 07, 2012 11:01 am **Posts:** 308

realist wrote:

She posted earlier today that she was not going to post pleadings she's filed in whatever cases until they had the court stamp on them.

That said, sending poop to the U.S. Attorney kinda just sidesteps that pro hac vice thingy.

I know what it is! Maybe there's nothing officially filed because Kemp has agreed to arbitration - he's gotta avoid the treason conviction and the noose, after all...

tjh · **Joined:** Wed Oct 07, 2009 4:18 pm **Posts:** 2475

Back to wiki. The first referenced article http://www.ajc.com/news/georgia-politics-elections/obamas-inclusion-on-georgia-1262319.html says FIVE Georgians filed, but it names only Swennson/Powell. Then there's Maclaren and Farrar. Was there a fifth?

Butterfly Bilderberg · **Posted:** Sun Feb 12, 2012 11:29 pm

tjh wrote:

Back to wiki. The first referenced article http://www.ajc.com/news/georgia-politics-elections/obamas-inclusion-on-georgia-1262319.html says FIVE Georgians filed, but it names only Swennson/Powell. Then there's Maclaren and Farrar. Was there a fifth?

Roth, Lax and Judy (Taitz) and Welden (Irion)

Sterngard Friegen · **Posted:** Sun Feb 12, 2012 11:37 pm

That's Macleran. AKA OPOVV. And he's PO because his wife sings like a timberwolf in season.

tjh · **Joined:** Wed Oct 07, 2009 4:18 pm **Posts:** 2475

They all ended up with Malihi ... but only Farrar is Georgian (per my previous questions)
Swennson/Powell and Welden are all Georgian.

ps Minor mystery solved : Lax,Cody and Maclaren came in on The Obly's Dec 9
First Amended Complaint
http://www.scribd.com/doc/75260254/Georgia-Primary-Ballot-Challenge-First-Amended-Complaint-Farrar-et-al-v-Obama-et-al

Roth came in on the same order that Obly was admitted pro hac.

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http://www.thefogbow.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=88&t=6845&start=350#p315605

There's talk by a "zeb" filing a complaint (to the wrong place?) Is zeb == Blanchard?

Sterngard Friegen · **Posted:** Sun Feb 12, 2012 11:52 pm

That's Macleran!

Butterfly Bilderberg · **Posted:** Mon Feb 13, 2012 12:03 am

Millard "Zeb" Blanchard filed a complaint with the SoS, but when informed that he would need to pursue it before an ALJ he bowed out.

SueDB · **Posted:** Mon Feb 13, 2012 12:12 am

Butterfly Bilderberg wrote:

Millard "Zeb" Blanchard filed a complaint with the SoS, but when informed that he would need to pursue it before an ALJ he bowed out.

This crap is only gonna stop only when fools stop parting with their money. ](*,)

bob · **Posted:** Mon Feb 13, 2012 2:37 am

Butterfly Bilderberg wrote:

Millard "Zeb" Blanchard filed a complaint with the SoS, but when informed that he would need to pursue it before an ALJ he bowed out.

Yes. Plus Farrar (Taitz). And Weldon (Irion). And Swensson and Powell (Hatfield) make five.

Suranis · **Joined:** Sat Nov 20, 2010 8:04 am **Posts:** 5253

Nathanael wrote:

I'll give Farrar props for two things: one, as someone downthread said, he's rational. Two (or maybe this is just a corallary to one), he doesn't fly off into the usual "They got to him!" birther claptrap. That may be the reason I bother participating in discussions with him at all.

Though I can't quite completely shake the suspicion that he may simply be hiding his irrationality behind a cloak of rationalism, and that he may fundamentally be just as irrational as the rest of the birther crowd. Certainly, I get no sense of any interest in the pursuit of objective truth (hence, my reference to his sophistry).

Lets just say that I have a bit more experience with this particular dimwit than you do. At one point he was ragging on and on at TPM about the fact that he was a job creator and he was presently taking trips on his boat in between posting. Oddly when someone said that they had a boat in the same place he had and someone else said he was talking like he and never set foot on a boat in his life, he instantly stopped talking about his boat and deleted the avatar of him with the sea in the background. I think he quit TPM after his constant interpretation of the S&P downgrade that it was all a Democratic plot and the S&P downgrade was because of Democratic policies just had people ridiculing him rather than bothering to argue with him, and them just quoting the S&P press release at him over and over left him with nothing to sneer at. Didn't stop him from posting the most ridiculous interpretations you can think of. He is fun to laugh at though. I'll give you that :_)

Roboe · **Posted:** Mon Feb 13, 2012 8:58 am

Nathanael wrote:

Ah, more wiggle room. Even if we can prove the HDOH records are correct -- assuming by "correct" we mean they make no errors in reporting the information they were given -- we have no way of knowing the information they were given is correct. I think Farrar has just passed straight through the HDOH records and emerged out the other side with his conspiracy theories still intact.

Which begs the question, just what the heck is Farrar's theory? I'd be truly interested if someone has managed to lurk a response out of Farrar, as to exactly why he thinks the records are wrong and what his evidence for this is (The latest AJC blog seems to have had the comments disabled, otherwise I'd ask him myself). The cloest thing the Birthers have ever offered up, has been the numerous fake Kenyan BCs and the edited interview with Sarah Obama.

If they are willing to settle for 'creating doubt', it would only further the notion that they truly have the whole thing backwards. The burden of proof is on them to show that the information in HDOH files are incorrect, but nothing Orly - and thus, by extension, Farrar - presented at the hearing gave any hint of this.

Suranis · **Joined:** Sat Nov 20, 2010 8:04 am **Posts:** 5253

If you asked him he would probably say "That's the point we really don't know. We need corroborating proof so we need access to..." Someone brought up the newspaper articles when he pulled that out on AJC and he ignored it and changed the subject.

Mikedunford · **Posted:** Mon Feb 13, 2012 12:56 pm

Roboe wrote:

Nathanael wrote:

Ah, more wiggle room. Even if we can prove the HDOH records are correct -- assuming by "correct" we mean they make no errors in reporting the information they were given -- we have no way of knowing the information they were given is correct. I think Farrar has just passed straight through the HDOH records and emerged out the other side with his conspiracy theories still intact.

Which begs the question, just what the heck is Farrar's theory?

This:

samir · **Joined:** Tue Jan 31, 2012 7:52 am **Posts:** 13

A Legal Lohengrin wrote:

You just gave an excellent explanation for why the proper response to a birther or similar pinhead is not to refute their reasoning, but to tell them "STFU you stupid bastard" and then make fun of their clothes.

Also link to thefogbow.com, where people reading can leave the thread and come to a rational site for proper facts. I think people like Farrar should not be engaged in a point-by-point rebuttal, because whenever you reach a point where you have refuted one argument, he recycles an earlier point and continues as if nothing has happened. My suspicion is that this is a way for him to demonstrate (to other birthers) his ability to keep the other side at bay.

samir · **Joined:** Tue Jan 31, 2012 7:52 am **Posts:** 13

Dr. Blue wrote:

Gotta disagree with you on #1 there. He has read the Minor decision. What it says is plain as day, and it's nothing like what he claims it says. That's not rational.

It can be rational to make an argument you don't really believe in, to achieve some other goal. Fox News does it all the time - I am pretty sure they are rational (mostly).

tjh · **Joined:** Wed Oct 07, 2009 4:18 pm **Posts:** 2475

Sterngard Friegen wrote:

That's Macleran!

Now I'm confuzled. Googling shows a "Thomas MaclEran",
The Obly puts him in the headings of her filings as "Thomas MaclAren" and in the BODY as "MaclEran".
http://www.scribd.com/doc/75260254/Georgia-Primary-Ballot-Challenge-First-Amended-Complaint-Farrar-et-al-v-Obama-et-al
-- and Judge Malihi goes with "Malaren"
http://www.osah.ga.gov/documents/Cases/Final%20Decision%202.3.2012.PDF
!

SueDB · **Posted:** Mon Feb 13, 2012 2:23 pm

tjh wrote:

Sterngard Friegen wrote:

That's Macleran!

Now I'm confuzled. Googling shows a "Thomas MaclEran",
The Obly puts him in the headings of her filings as "Thomas MaclAren" and in the BODY as "MaclEran".
http://www.scribd.com/doc/75260254/Georgia-Primary-Ballot-Challenge-First-Amended-Complaint-Farrar-et-al-v-Obama-et-al
-- and Judge Malihi goes with "Malaren"
http://www.osah.ga.gov/documents/Cases/Final%20Decision%202.3.2012.PDF
!

And just where is the Birth Certificate???????

Falsehoods unchallenged only fester and grow.

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