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Orly Taitz is going up against Michael Jablonski. No wonder the motion for pro hac vice was "unopposed."

She has no idea what she's in for.

This will be excellent.


Hmm...

"Jablonski's principal expertise is in the area of debate, where he has worked with Roy Barnes, Jimmy Carter, Andrew Young and others."

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Dis Guy??? Mr. Jablonski

Jablonski brings over 30 years experience in both litigation and political campaigns to the practice. AV rated by Martindale-Hubbell, he has appeared before the Supreme Court of Georgia, Georgia Court of Appeals, and Georgia Superior and State Courts; the State Ethics Commission and the State Elections Board; all divisions of the United States District Court in Georgia and the United States District Court in California; the District of Columbia, 9th and 11th Federal Courts of Appeal; the Federal Communications Commission; and the Federal Elections Commission.

A frequent seminar presenter on election law, he has commented on legal aspects of politics for radio, television, print, and web-based publications.{snicker}

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Whatever4 wrote:
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Orly Taitz is going up against Michael Jablonski. No wonder the motion for pro hac vice was "unopposed."

She has no idea what she's in for.

This will be excellent.


Hmm...

"Jablonski's principal expertise is in the area of debate, where he has worked with Roy Barnes, Jimmy Carter, Andrew Young and others."



Well I certainly hope Orly manages to get this one videotaped. :-bd

if it even happens.

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Let me make a wild guess that this guy charges an hourly commensurate with his skills. I hope Orly ends up paying him to pimp-slap her into next century.

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Michael Jablonski brings a unique set of talents to the study of conflict resolution. In addition to a lengthy career as a trial lawyer, he ran a company writing political strategy for businesses working with government and has served both as a court-appointed mediator and as a fee arbitrator for the State Bar of Georgia. Jablonski brings together strategy, debate concepts, rhetoric, linguistics, and communication theory to the study of conflict resolution. His Mediation and Conflict Resolution class at Georgia State University explores various strategies for resolving conflict, analyzes conflict styles, and teaches techniques for implementing needs-based negotiation.

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Michael Jablonski brings a unique set of talents to the study of conflict resolution. In addition to a lengthy career as a trial lawyer, he ran a company writing political strategy for businesses working with government and has served both as a court-appointed mediator and as a fee arbitrator for the State Bar of Georgia. Jablonski brings together strategy, debate concepts, rhetoric, linguistics, and communication theory to the study of conflict resolution. His Mediation and Conflict Resolution class at Georgia State University explores various strategies for resolving conflict, analyzes conflict styles, and teaches techniques for implementing needs-based negotiation.

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This may be worth going just to watch a real pro in action. I don't feel too much like a trip to GA though, maybe I can get one of my commie relatives in Atlanta to attend after one of his drummings.

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Once the date for the hearing is known I can decide whether I will attend. So long as not between the 21st and 31st, I should be able to go.

Same for the Alabama clown show.

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Michael Jablonski brings a unique set of talents to the study of conflict resolution. In addition to a lengthy career as a trial lawyer, he ran a company writing political strategy for businesses working with government and has served both as a court-appointed mediator and as a fee arbitrator for the State Bar of Georgia. Jablonski brings together strategy, debate concepts, rhetoric, linguistics, and communication theory to the study of conflict resolution. His Mediation and Conflict Resolution class at Georgia State University explores various strategies for resolving conflict, analyzes conflict styles, and teaches techniques for implementing needs-based negotiation.

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That would be worth some frequent flier miles to see in person, if both were guaranteed to actually officially interact. -xx

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WRT fees incurred on Obama's side; wouldn't those be covered by the campaign, rather than out of pocket from the President?


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WRT fees incurred on Obama's side; wouldn't those be covered by the campaign, rather than out of pocket from the President?

Yes. Unlike candidate Taitz, Obama has fund separate from a personal bank account. In this case, Obama will not be defended by the U.S. DOJ (or by "proxy" by a Secretary of State).

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Dis Guy??? Mr. Jablonski

Jablonski brings over 30 years experience in both litigation and political campaigns to the practice. AV rated by Martindale-Hubbell, he has appeared before the Supreme Court of Georgia, Georgia Court of Appeals, and Georgia Superior and State Courts; the State Ethics Commission and the State Elections Board; all divisions of the United States District Court in Georgia and the United States District Court in California; the District of Columbia, 9th and 11th Federal Courts of Appeal; the Federal Communications Commission; and the Federal Elections Commission.

A frequent seminar presenter on election law, he has commented on legal aspects of politics for radio, television, print, and web-based publications.{snicker}


Certainly no match for a noted Konstitutional Scholar/Civil Rights/Elections atty like Taitz or Merooni.

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Well, O'rly when this case is decided, Obama and his lawyers can ask for court costs and lawyers fees. We can always hope for sanctions as well.


I doubt there's the opportunity for sanctions here. Remember, even in Land's case the sanctions were as a result of her conduct and failure to abide by the judge's instructions, not by virtue of the filing itself.

Possibly of note, though, a fellow attorney tells me that for an attorney to be admitted pro hac vice in Georgia, there's a $2,500 fee from the Bar. I haven't confirmed that amount, but if it's true, that's a lot of money that could've been spent on a better lawyer than Orly.

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Possibly of note, though, a fellow attorney tells me that for an attorney to be admitted pro hac vice in Georgia, there's a $2,500 fee from the Bar.


Does that hold true to be admitted before an administrative board?

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Possibly of note, though, a fellow attorney tells me that for an attorney to be admitted pro hac vice in Georgia, there's a $2,500 fee from the Bar.


Does that hold true to be admitted before an administrative board?


He said it did, and he's been an attorney a LOT longer than I have. But I'm still a skeptical of that amount. Even the Bar website seems to suggest the fee is more like $200 for the Superior Courts. So maybe he misremembered, or I misheard.

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Pat wrote something over at Dispatches that I wanted to correct:

"Actually it's going to hearing first, and if the judge decides there's enough evidence and proper standing, then it might go to trial."

Er, no. Barring some unexpected complication, here's what's going to happen. There will be a hearing in front of an Administrative Law Judge, where Obama's attorney will present evidence that Obama *is* eligible and the challenger will present a case that he's not. Witnesses are permitted and exhibits are expected. After the hearing, the Administrative Law Judge will prepare an Order expressing his ruling. The Secretary of State then decides whether to adopt the Administrative Law Judge's conclusion (which is pretty much just a formality; the SoS always does this). That's the extent of the hearing; judge only, no jury. I suppose you could think of it as a small bench trial. But the hearing is not an intermediary step towards a larger trial; the hearing is *it*.

Whoever loses in front of the Administrative Law Judge can then appeal to the Superior Court of Fulton County. On appeal, the Superior Court judge can then review the evidence and the holding of the Administrative Law Judge, but there is still no jury and there is no new evidence allowed. The Superior Court judge simply rules on the existing record as presented in the Administrative Law court. So that's definitely not any sort of trial; it's just an appellate review.

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Pat wrote something over at Dispatches that I wanted to correct:

"Actually it's going to hearing first, and if the judge decides there's enough evidence and proper standing, then it might go to trial."

Er, no. Barring some unexpected complication, here's what's going to happen. There will be a hearing in front of an Administrative Law Judge, where Obama's attorney will present evidence that Obama *is* eligible and the challenger will present a case that he's not. Witnesses are permitted and exhibits are expected. After the hearing, the Administrative Law Judge will prepare an Order expressing his ruling. The Secretary of State then decides whether to adopt the Administrative Law Judge's conclusion (which is pretty much just a formality; the SoS always does this). That's the extent of the hearing; judge only, no jury. I suppose you could think of it as a small bench trial. But the hearing is not an intermediary step towards a larger trial; the hearing is *it*.

Whoever loses in front of the Administrative Law Judge can then appeal to the Superior Court of Fulton County. On appeal, the Superior Court judge can then review the evidence and the holding of the Administrative Law Judge, but there is still no jury and there is no new evidence allowed. The Superior Court judge simply rules on the existing record as presented in the Administrative Law court. So that's definitely not any sort of trial; it's just an appellate review.


I stand corrected. Thanks for clarifying it!

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So we may see a birth certificate? That would be a victory for Orly. :cry:

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Time to review the definition of "evidence." While the rules in an administrative proceeding may be relaxed, they are not completely thrown out.

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where Obama's attorney will present evidence that Obama *is* eligible and the challenger will present a case that he's not.

Something tells me this isn't what's going to happen at this hearing.


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Orly Taitz is going up against Michael Jablonski. No wonder the motion for pro hac vice was "unopposed."

She has no idea what she's in for.

This will be excellent.


Something tells me you know much much more than you are willing to let out right now....PM is a wonderful thing. Enquiring minds want to know....please please


And you know how curious I always am :D :D

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where Obama's attorney will present evidence that Obama *is* eligible and the challenger will present a case that he's not.

Something tells me this isn't what's going to happen at this hearing.


Something tells me that too. The same something that is whispering the word "jurisdiction" in my ear.

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Shall we ponder why Rep. Franklin thought this bill would be necessary if citizens already have the right to seek administrative review of the eligibility of persons named on the primary ballot?

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Because he was ignorant?

After all, remember that when he was on RC's show, Rep. Hatfield said that he was sure that all members of the Georgia House met the qualification requirements...and then minutes later admitted that he didn't know that the state required members of the Georgia House to be U.S. citizens.

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Ignorant yes, but beside my point.

I don't believe the administrative hearing will get to the evidence stage and I think some Georgia reps realize why.

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I have no idea what "court" she's talking about :P (okay... administrative court ;) ) and I've not read her "Motion" yet, but if granted, I suspect Mr. Farrar's eligibility challenge is about to get more screwed up than it already is...

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motion for leave of court to file an amended complaint in GA

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Orly thinks she got skoooled in Hawai'i? Meet Mr. Jablonski, and let the games begin:

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I suggest that an order granting a continuance to file an amended complaint include a requirement that the standard pretrial order be filed concurrently with the complaint?

I note that Mr. Farrar is on these email strings. I am hesitant about sending emails that go to him when he is represented by counsel.
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