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What would be the reasoning for doing this? And what is the effect of it?

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Hatfield and Irion came back after the recess and requested the records for their cases be closed, that was granted.

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'Bob' at Dr Khates, advising his fellow birthers to emulate Harry Riley and pester Judge Malihi:

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There is an urgent need to send messages of support to Judge Malihi, the judge who heard the Georgia Obama Ballot Challenge on 1-26-2012. We need to send Judge Malihi a note of thanks for his courage and willingness to stand for the US Constitution.

Here is Judge Malihi’s web sitefor a better presentation that I have copied below. Send your appreciation to:

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Call, email respectful appreciation. Some have said it’s essential for Judge Malihi to sense that “we the people” are behind him and his action. So let’s remove any doubt the Judge might have of the strong support we’re offering.

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'Bob' at Dr Khates, advising his fellow birthers to emulate Harry Riley and pester Judge Malihi:

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There is an urgent need to send messages of support to Judge Malihi, the judge who heard the Georgia Obama Ballot Challenge on 1-26-2012. We need to send Judge Malihi a note of thanks for his courage and willingness to stand for the US Constitution.

Here is Judge Malihi’s web sitefor a better presentation that I have copied below. Send your appreciation to:

[snip]

Call, email respectful appreciation. Some have said it’s essential for Judge Malihi to sense that “we the people” are behind him and his action. So let’s remove any doubt the Judge might have of the strong support we’re offering.

Harry Riley


I'm sure Malihi and his assistant will be thrilled to receive more phone calls from birfers.

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I'm sure Malihi and his assistant will be thrilled to receive more phone calls from birfers.

And it's NOTHING compared to what he's in for if his recommendation to the SoS leaves the slightest latitude for ruling in the candidate's favor.


Edit: By the way, did the question ever get answered as to whether we will SEE said recommendation? Or does it go sealed to the SoS, and just get incorporated into the final decision (or not) as the SoS sees fit?

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On Thursday, Orly had a wide open forum, and finished her arguments with 45 minutes remaining on the clock. Here's a partial list of things that Birthers have obsessed over, but Orly not only thought weren't important enough to mention, but apparently thought were SO unimportant that she chose to finish early rather than bring them up:

- Obama born in Kenya?
- Obama born in Canada?
- Lucas Smith's Kenyan birth certificate
- The Mama Sarah/McRae tape
- Newspapers (esp. foreign newspapers) that called Obama 'Kenyan-born'
- Kenyan Parliament transcripts
- The claim that everyone in Kenya thinks he was born ther
- Obama's dual citizenship at birth
- Forged newspaper announcements
- Claims that the COLB was forged
- The word 'African' on the COLB instead of 'Negro'
- Obama's trip to Pakistan
- Obama's passport for his trip to Pakistan
- Obama's selective service form
- Ann's age when Obama was born
- McCain's Senate Resolution
- The supposed Hawaiian law that allows for out-of-state births to be registered as Hawaiian births
- MissTickly's claims about the raised seal
- Anything more than a passing mention of Vattel. No discussion of how he was the Founders' biggest influence.
- The mention of 'Law of Nations' in the Constitution
- Whether Obama attended Columbia
- Whether Obama was a CIA agent
- Whether Obama was a Soviet sleeper agent
- Obama's father was Frank Marshall Davis
- Obama's father was Malcolm X
- Obama's father was his grandfather
- Obama's mother was his grandmother
- Obama's mother was not Ann
- Bill Ayers wrote Dreams

Sure, not all of that is directly related to eligibility, but neither is Obama's law license or his time in Indonesia or his SSN, which is what Orly spent most of her time on.

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Then they call the President of the United States "self-important" for not showing up. :angry:
If you can't be "self-important" when you're President and Commander-in-Chief and the Leader of the Free World, just who is entitled to be "self-important," anyway? :-?

They accuse him of being "arrogant" too also. And again I ask, look at what this man has achieved in his life.He went from the little half-black, half-white 7 year old boy who the Indonesian kids threw rocks at in Jakarta in the '60s to being the most important man on this planet.

If I'd done that, "arrogant" wouldn't even begin to describe me. :lol:

To me, the amazing thing is that he ISN'T as "self-important" and "arrogant" as they think he is.


I think you have struck on another point as to why these folks hate President Obama so much (besides his skin color, his funny sounding name, he's not ultra-conservative, etc.) is that many of them come from backgrounds that are just as unlikely to lead to success in life. President Obama was able to achieve success at the highest rung of power in the world. These folks are still struggling to simply hold on to their humble beginnings and not slip further down the social ladder. And they fear that their children and/or grandchildren will consider themselves lucky just to have a roof over their head, forget about any dreams of success beyond that of merely surviving day to day.

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...To me, the amazing thing is that he ISN'T as "self-important" and "arrogant" as they think he is.

Foggy, did you ever see President Obama step off the sidewalk into the mud of the street just so a White Lady could pass without coming near him? And did he symbolically take off his hat, even though he was not wearing one? That's what "arrogant" means if you are a person of color.

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TollandRCR wrote:
Foggy, did you ever see President Obama step off the sidewalk into the mud of the street just so a White Lady could pass without coming near him? And did he symbolically take off his hat, even though he was not wearing one? That's what "arrogant" means if you are a person of color.
Don't I know it, Tollie.

Not 20 miles from where I sit on this glorious January morn, in the year 1970, when the President was only 9 years old, a black military veteran was brutally murdered on the street in Oxford for the crime of "saying something" to a white woman.

In that time, a black man couldn't grow up to be elected dogcatcher, much less President of the United States.

The world changed too fast for some folks. They have a problem accepting reality. It's difficult to adjust, when you were raised a certain way. I understand that. Do I sympathize with it? Not in the slightest. I say take those folks and shove reality down their throats. They lived in a time of evil, and they became evil, and evil must be fought.

These assholes keep saying they want their country back. If that's the country they want back, I won't stand for it.

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It also looks as if the court reporter is talking into a "gas mask."
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It's called a StenoMask. It's a "technology" brought into the private sector from WWII. Some states will certify them some won't (mine doesn't). There are states that require no certification.

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The stenomask was developed by Horace Webb and two colleagues in the early 1940s. He was proficient with Gregg shorthand but sought a more accurate and faster system of transcription, as shorthand notes can become unmanageable with fast talkers or difficult terminology. Furthermore, until recently, shorthand reporters would verbally dictate transcription notes into typewritten form, resulting in about two hours dictation for every hour transcribing.

Thus, Webb thought he could "repeat it with my voice instead of with a pen". After much experimentation—first with a cigar box and then a tomato can—he arrived at a solution using a microphone inside a rubber Air Force face mask, paired with a coffee pot filled with sound-absorbing material. The result was eventually deemed by the U.S. Navy to be the most accurate method of transcription among "all known systems of verbatim reporting", and was subsequently adopted for use in their court reporting.[3]

Continuing in his father's footsteps, Stephen Webb (Talk Technologies, Inc.) is contributing major advancements to the classical "moose-mask" design. These improvements include a smaller, lightweight design, and a specially designed mask to be used for speech recognition.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stenomask

Also... http://nvra.org/displaycommon.cfm?an=1&subarticlenbr=9

I would have thought in your 900 years experience you would have encountered at least one before, though in my mere 40 I've met only one.

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I have, indeed, encountered “gas mask operators before, and have posted here about them. Sadly, when I searched under “gas mask” and “gas masks” I couldn’t find my treasured words.

When I did court martial defense work 40 years ago they were routinely used in the military since, for some strange reason, no licensed court reporters wanted to serve in the military. Beyond that experience, I have also attended depositions (early in my career) where the court reporter was truly a “shorthand” reporter, without a machine.

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...I have also attended depositions (early in my career) where the court reporter was truly a “shorthand” reporter, without a machine.

A truly skilled cuneiform scribe is a wonder to watch.

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I just had to share this.

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Especially in an administrative court, uncontested testimony is the truth.

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Chilidog wrote:
I just had to share this.

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Nathanael,

Especially in an administrative court, uncontested testimony is the truth.

ex animo
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My Latin's a bit rusty, but based on this, ex animo must mean "out of his mind."

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Sterngard Friegen wrote:
It also looks as if the court reporter is talking into a "gas mask."


Looks more like WWI technology adapted to WWII Navy legal proceedings

Different models for different facial features.

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...Unfortunately, we have seen little evidence there is a real judge in this fiasco.

ALJ Mahili has been a case study in the Peter Principle. However, Secretary of State Brian Kemp has been somewhat of a mystery in this discussion. This analysis of his positions as candidate for Georgia Secretary of State might prove illuminating. Note that he served as an appointed official before being elected in 2010.
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Brian Kemp consistently protected officials involved in the most serious of election fraud cases. In SEB case 2008-000133, a Lowndes Co. election official forced 947 test ballots into the actual 2008 totals, failed to reconcile those totals with the poll book totals to detect the discrepancy and blamed a voting machine technician when the state found out she certified incorrect results. In SEB case 2008-000136, a Douglas Co. Election Board member took home the 2008 election results overnight in a spreadsheet for manipulation, brought them back the next day and ordered a Diebold contractor to enter them into the county server before results were certified. Brian Kemp did not ensure that these officials were charged, or fined when the related cases were heard so they are free to count your votes again in November.
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Sterngard Friegen wrote:
The sound on this is much better. Was this someone other than Haskins'?

Bonus: I can't see Loren in this one, with or without his jacket, once the proceedings are underway. So whoever operated this camera (or edited the video) knew what it meant to zoom.

It also looks as if the court reporter is talking into a "gas mask."


Orly's Perfume - you know how staff get all pissed off when someone wears that kinds of really cheap shit.

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Cross-posted from Atlanta Hearing Reports

I'd like to build on BB's excellent observations which can be found here:
Subject: RESERVED for Atlanta Hearing Reports.

Since Taitz no longer can use the thoroughly debunked Kenyan fake birth certificates, her case has become one of "questioning" the identity of President Obama. But "raising questions" does not constitute proof. Taitz said in an interview after the hearing that her role was to "raise reasonable doubt." Raise "reasonable doubt" about what? President Obama's identity? That his social security number was wrongly issued? That his selective service number no longer returns his name if people illegally access his files on the social security website?

In quantifying the burden of persuasion, most lawyers and appellate decisions agree that if a case needs to be proven to a "preponderance," it means just slightly more than 50% of the evidence must demonstrate the facts needed to prove the issue. In trying to quantify the "beyond a reasonable doubt" rule, while exact numbers are difficult, we're talking about evidence that proves underlying facts in at least the 97-98% range. So, what Taitz is saying is she only has to smear enough shit on the record to show there is a 2-3% chance her facts are right.

Of course, Taitz has no competent, relevant admissible evidence at all. Her "evidence" does not move the fact-meter in any respect at all. But she also completely misconstrues what her burden of persuasion is. It is to adduce evidence which moves the meter 50.1% -- by a preponderance -- not to raise "reasonable doubt" and move the evidence maybe 2-3%.

Just as Taitz misunderstands the burden of persuasion, she also misunderstands what her role is as an advocate. Her role is not to raise "suspicions" so that somebody else -- appointed and directed by the tribunal -- will do the real work and investigate and prove the facts, her job is to do the real work and perform the investigation to prove the issue.

It is based on Taitz's total misunderstanding of what court and hearing officers do, and her role in that process that leads to her utter incompetence and total failure on every level in every hearing she participates in. That's what happened with her car wreck in Atlanta.

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It is based on Taitz's total misunderstanding of what court and hearing officers do, and her role in that process that leads to her utter incompetence and total failure on every level in every hearing she participates in.

One other factor contributes to that result, IMO.

She is, in reality if not always officially, her own client.

(I have really enjoyed and appreciated these recent comments about the record, evidence, etc., from the IAMCAGDLs*)

*I am most certainly a god damn lawyer.


Edit: (Moved from the RESERVED thread.)

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What would be the reasoning for doing this? And what is the effect of it?

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Hatfield and Irion came back after the recess and requested the records for their cases be closed, that was granted.


I think so people like me can't call the clerk and get copies of the documents?

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This just in from "davidfarrar" (here):

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The judge had to move the date back [to Feb. 1] in order to give the DPOG time (30 days prior to the PPP) to amend their bylaws to accommodate the Secretary’s upcoming decision to keep candidate Obama’s name off the Georgia PPP.


Two possibilities:

1. He knows something we don't.
2. He's FOS.

Polls are now open.


I can imagine a scenario where there was some talk during the chambers conference to the effect that, "You know that if I make the recommendation to strike Obama from the primary ballot and the Secretary of State agrees, the Democratic Party of Georgia will simply amend its bylaws concerning how its delegates will vote at the convention -- don't you?"

Without looking at the bylaws, I don't know if this is possible, but assuming it is, the party can just amend its rules governing how delegates are bound when the party's candidate is unopposed. The ALJ might have pointed out to the plaintiffs the ultimate futility of their quest.

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ALJ Mahili has been a case study in the Peter Principle. However, Secretary of State Brian Kemp has been somewhat of a mystery in this discussion. This analysis of his positions as candidate for Georgia Secretary of State might prove illuminating. Note that he served as an appointed official before being elected in 2010.

SoS Kemp appears to have the moral courage to do whatever he believes puts him in the most favorable light. He also appears to be just as honest as his two predecessors.

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What would be the reasoning for doing this? And what is the effect of it?

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Hatfield and Irion came back after the recess and requested the records for their cases be closed, that was granted.


I think Farrar is misunderstanding what Hatfield and Irion requested. A default order allows the ALJ any number of options, one of which is to close the record for the defaulting party, i.e., not allow the the defaulting party to submit further evidence. It appears that Hatfield and Irion requested this option -- that the record be closed, pre-empting Jablonski from submitting evidence in conjunction with his FF & CL.

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Chilidog wrote:
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Especially in an administrative court, uncontested testimony is the truth.

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By this logic, given that Jablonski wasn't present, Farrar could have taken the stand and claimed the sky was green, purple unicorns live in his garage, and Obama was born on Mars, and the judge would have to take such things as fact.

The judge will certainly lend greater weight to uncontested facts but there is still a burden present. Furthermore, much of what Farrar is talking about aren't questions of fact but those of law, and the judge doesn't have to take anybody's assertions of what the law is as valid. If Farrar gets on the stand and says the law says murder is OK, the fact that no defense says "Actually it isn't" doesn't mean it is. The law is what it is.

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