Loren wrote:
thorswitch wrote:
If answering this openly would help Orly too much, please send me a PM - what is the "standard pretrial order" that he is suggesting be filed concurrently?
ORYR:
David Farrar v. Barack Obama: First Georgia Ballot Access Challenge Filing ReleasedThanks, Loren!
I have a hard time imagining Orly wrote that herself, except for the fact that there are a couple things about it that I found very confusing.
First, it says that these are the issues before the court:
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The issues for determination by the Court are as follows:
A. Is the candidate's proffered birth certificates, authentic state-issued documents that verify his actual, physical birth in Hawaii?
B. Is the candidate an Article II natural born citizen of the United States as established in US.Supreme Court case: Minor vs Happersett 1875 Page 88 U. S. 163
C. O.C.G.A. § 21-2-560 Making of False Statements Generally. Is the candidate's SocialSecurity number, authentic
Then it stipulates the following facts:
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A. Barack Obama Sr.'s date of birth was June 18, 1934
B. Barack Obama Sr. was the father of Barack Obama Jr.
C. Barack Obama Sr. was not a U.S. citizen
D. Barack Obama's letter to the DNC stating he meets all Constitutional requirements to takethe Oath of Office of the President of the United States
Then it gives a list that is supposed to be a list of ALL exhibits that are going to be presented:
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P-1. Office of Inspector General, Department of Health and Human Services, Birth Certificate Fraud Conclusions:
Birth Certificates Alone do not Provide Conclusive or Reliable Proof of Identity.
P-2.Barack-Hussein-Obama-Sr-Immigration-File
P-3The Honolulu Advertiser First Mention: “In November 2008, The Advertiser reported
that the first published mention of the future president appeared in a Sunday Advertiser birthannouncement that ran on Aug. 13, 1961: "Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama, 6085 KalanianaoleHwy., son, Aug. 4." The identical announcement ran the following day in the Honolulu Star-Bulletin. Such vital statistics, however, were not sent to the newspapers by the general public butby the Health Department, which received the information directly from hospitals, Okubo said.Birth announcements from the public ran elsewhere in both papers and usually includedinformation such as the newborn's name, weight and time of birth
From the stipulated facts, it sounds like she's going pure Vattel on this, but her evidence doesn't include anything that would back up the Vattel interpretation. She wants to know if Obama's SSN is valid, but doesn't offer any evidence to indicate it might not be.
She quotes a lot of stuff about how the burden of proving that a person is qualified for an office is solely on the candidate, but since the only qualifications for the office are age, NBC-status and 14-years residency, shouldn't those be the ONLY factors he has to prove? There's no requirement for a valid BC or SSN, so shouldn't she have to provide some kind of evidence that there's a genuine reason to question them before Obama has to respond? Or am I missing something here?
Thanks!!!