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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 12:22 pm 
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One thing though...Why would a Muslim destroy one of the 3 holy cities of Islam. That doesn't make sense. Nuking Tel Aviv however is a different matter.

True. Tel Aviv makes more sense as a target of a terrorist nuclear strike. It would have effects throughout the region. Jerusalem is only 34 miles from Tel Aviv.

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SueDB wrote:
One thing though...Why would a Muslim destroy one of the 3 holy cities of Islam. That doesn't make sense. Nuking Tel Aviv however is a different matter.

True. Tel Aviv makes more sense as a target of a terrorist nuclear strike. It would have effects throughout the region. Jerusalem is only 34 miles from Tel Aviv.


In those tight quarters in the Mid-East, it would contaminate a huge amount of Arab territory also. They would be shitting in their own beds.

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Pakistan tells US to FO&D (linkie here)
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ISLAMABAD — Pakistan has told U.S. special envoy Marc Grossman that it is "not possible at the moment" for him to visit the country, a senior government official told Reuters Wednesday, highlighting the increased tensions between the uneasy allies.

He did not elaborate on the reason for refusing Grossman's request to visit.

Relations between Islamabad and Washington plunged to the lowest point in...


When you possess Nuclear Weapons, you can finally tell those pesky Americans to FuckOff.

Edit: Then the leaders grab the foreign aid money, and make sure it is available for a long time in those nice banks in Switzerland etc.

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Washington Post February 15, 2012 How history lessons could deter Iranian aggression by Fareed Zakaria
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We are hearing a new concept these days in discussions about Iran — the zone of immunity. The idea, often explained by Ehud Barak, Israel’s defense minister, is that soon Iran will have enough nuclear capability that Israel would not be able to inflict a crippling blow to its program.

In fact, while the specifics are fresh, this is not a new strategic concept at all. Nations have often believed that they face a closing window to act, and almost always such thinking has led to disaster. The most famous example, of course, was Germany’s decision to start what became World War I. The German General Staff believed that Russia — its archenemy — was rearming on a scale that would soon nullify Germany’s superior military strength. The Germans believed that within two years — by 1916 — Russia would have a significant, and perhaps unbeatable, strategic ­advantage.

It has been said that World War I was the result of a disastrous failure of intelligence. Zakaria's point is not that Israel is proceeding on a failure of intelligence about Iran's nuclear program. Instead, he is saying that Israel's strategic thinking is flawed:
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Now, I am not suggesting that an Israeli attack on Iran would have anything close to these consequences. But I am suggesting that it is profoundly shortsighted to base a major decision — to go to war — on narrow technical considerations like windows of vulnerability. Many in Washington in March 2003 insisted that we could not wait for nuclear inspectors to keep at their work in Iraq because we faced a closing window — the weather was going to get too hot by June and July to send in U.S. forces. As a result, we rushed into a badly planned military invasion and occupation in which soldiers had to endure combat in Iraq for nine long and very hot years.

Israeli officials explain that we Americans cannot understand their fears, that Iran is an existential threat to them. But in fact we can understand because we have gone through a very similar experience ourselves. After World War II, as the Soviet Union approached a nuclear capability, the United States was seized by a panic that lasted for years. Everything that Israel says about Iran now, we said about the Soviet Union. We saw it as a radical, revolutionary regime, opposed to every value we held dear, determined to overthrow the governments of the Western world in order to establish global communism. We saw Moscow as irrational, aggressive and utterly unconcerned with human life. After all, Joseph Stalin had just sacrificed a mind-boggling 26 million Soviet lives in his country’s struggle against Nazi Germany.

The October, 1962, Cuban Missile Crisis exemplified both the existential threat that we in the U.S. felt during the Cold War and the wisdom of not going to war over that fear. Had we gone to war as Air Force General Curtis LeMay urged, we might have plunged the world into a nuclear world war and would almost certainly have suffered grave losses in the U.S. Although LeMay considered the resolution of the Cuban Missile Crisis to be "the greatest defeat in our history," most of us look back and see the wisdom of measured response to a real threat. We faced the might of the U.S.S.R. and its capacity for Mutually Assured Destruction, and we chose a compromise. The question is whether today's Israel will be able to show the same wisdom. Otherwise, I think that Israel faces the probability of fighting a war on many fronts, resulting in the destruction of much of the Middle East. Arutz Sheva blog Feb. 12, 2012 Israel Ready for War on Three Fronts sees the same risk but not the same outcome.

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RFK wrote in "The Missiles of October" JFK had just finished reading Barbara Tuchman's "The Guns of August" when they learned Cuba was constructing missile silos capable of housing nuclear warheads. He credited the book for keeping the U.S. from nuclear war. He said the book's lessons showed JFK WWI could have been avoided. Government leaders should have taken the time to fully gather intelligence and let cooler, more thoughtful heads prevail. Too bad GW Bush didn't take a day to read both books before he ordered troops into Iraq.

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Too bad GW Bush didn't take several years to learn how to read and then several months a day to read both books before he ordered troops into Iraq.


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New York Times Feb. 24, 2012 U.S. Agencies See No Move by Iran to Build a Bomb
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Even as the United Nations’ nuclear watchdog said in a new report Friday that Iran had accelerated its uranium enrichment program, American intelligence analysts continue to believe that there is no hard evidence that Iran has decided to build a nuclear bomb.

Recent assessments by American spy agencies are broadly consistent with a 2007 intelligence finding that concluded that Iran had abandoned its nuclear weapons program years earlier, according to current and former American officials. The officials said that assessment was largely reaffirmed in a 2010 National Intelligence Estimate, and that it remains the consensus view of America’s 16 intelligence agencies.

At the center of the debate is the murky question of the ultimate ambitions of the leaders in Tehran. There is no dispute among American, Israeli and European intelligence officials that Iran has been enriching nuclear fuel and developing some necessary infrastructure to become a nuclear power. But the Central Intelligence Agency and other intelligence agencies believe that Iran has yet to decide whether to resume a parallel program to design a nuclear warhead — a program they believe was essentially halted in 2003 and which would be necessary for Iran to build a nuclear bomb. Iranian officials maintain that their nuclear program is for civilian purposes.
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Once Iran takes further steps to actually enrich weapons grade fuel — a feat that the United States does not believe Iran has yet accomplished — the critics believe that it would be relatively easy for Iran to engineer a warhead and then have a bomb in short order. They also criticize the C.I.A. for being overly cautious in its assessments of Iran, suggesting that it is perhaps overcompensating for its faulty intelligence assessments in 2002 about Iraq’s purported weapons programs, which turned out not to exist. In addition, Israeli officials have challenged the very premise of the 2007 intelligence assessment, saying they do not believe that Iran ever fully halted its work on a weapons program.

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