Marine's Facebook page tests military rules

GreatGrey · **Posted:** Sat Mar 24, 2012 3:11 pm

Suranis wrote:

But John Jay wrote a letter...

Gary got a letter too!

GreatGrey · **Posted:** Sat Mar 24, 2012 3:24 pm

Plutodog wrote:

Po marine had a tough week:

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Today we found out that the Marine Corps would like to make my "hearing" next Friday the 30th of March. Talk about quick... I just met my defense attorney today and had a 5 hour phone conference with the Oathkeeprs general counsel. We made some amazing ground today and have laid out a great game plan. Now the week time frame we are currently on is a little... wait... very very small. We are going ask to push back that hearing but it is not sure if that will happen. Monday we will release some contact information for the public to contact to show support to move the hearing at least 2 weeks make so we can have the proper time to prepare the best we can.
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Probably not the best people to consult, IMHO.

Sterngard Friegen · **Posted:** Sat Mar 24, 2012 4:22 pm

So this Marine Buffoon is posting his trial strategy on line? Why doesn't he just save himself the trouble and put trial counsel on conference call when he's meeting with his defense counsel?

optimusprime · **Posted:** Sat Mar 24, 2012 9:36 pm

This is a FUBAR Marine.

SueDB · **Posted:** Sat Mar 24, 2012 9:40 pm

optimusprime wrote:

This is a FUBAR Marine.

He done "stepped on his dick with track shoes".

neonzx · **Joined:** Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:27 am **Posts:** 4216

I hope the (soon to be former) sergeant may someday look back on this and realize the Corps is doing him a favor by proactively booting him at this stage with, at worst, an OTH discharge. He could have escalated to actually disobeying a lawful order and faced losing everything. (*waves* Hi Terry! :twisted:

)

Estiveo · **Posted:** Sat Mar 24, 2012 11:51 pm

Bitch is getting off easy. He should try to work it for a general discharge, no bennies. I think he deserves a dishonorable and 6 months in stir before they kick his cowardly ass to the curb.

Of course, I have been told that I'm kind of a hard ass by three local LEOs when I was the civilian on a promotion board for my local PD. They thought I was a little harsh in giving one candidate 0 out of 10 on one scenario. Meh, dude did not follow simple instructions. The other candidates did. 0 out of 10. :-({|=

Adrianinflorida · **Posted:** Sun Mar 25, 2012 5:40 am

What this twit and his followers fail to realise, is that if he worked for McDonalds (Which will be tough to get if get gets an OTH discharge) and posted that the CEO of McDonalds was an asshole and that he didn't have to do what he, or his supervisors, said, he'd be fired from that gig, too. The guy is trying to make himself a martyr when all he is is an idiot.

mimi · **Posted:** Sun Mar 25, 2012 7:35 am

neonzx wrote:

I hope the (soon to be former) sergeant may someday look back on this and realize the Corps is doing him a favor by proactively booting him at this stage with, at worst, an OTH discharge. He could have escalated to actually disobeying a lawful order and faced losing everything. (*waves* Hi Terry! :twisted:

)

saw this come down twitter:

WND EXCLUSIVE
U.S. military purging 'birthers'?
Lakin speaks out after Marines push to discharge man who questioned Obama

http://www.wnd.com/2012/03/u-s-military ... -birthers/

Lakin might be blathering on, but he lost his pension, his benefits, and he was refused a license to practice medicine where he wanted to settle.

It appears he just wants to pull some other schmucks down with him. He was never an honorable guy anyway. (I recall he timed his nonaction to allow for him to take his time off to be with his family, and not allowing the guy who had to replace him the same.)

Highlands · **Posted:** Sun Mar 25, 2012 10:50 am

WND wrote:

U.S. military purging 'birthers'?

No, the US military is purging douche canoes that refuse to follow orders and recognize the chain of command.

Quote:

We follow orders, son. We follow orders or people die. It's that simple.

Reality Check · **Posted:** Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:10 am

Jack Minor wrote that piece. He is Lakin's biggest fan from the Greeley Gazette blog isn't he? He says Daryn Moran being honorably discharged after the made statements that he would not follow orders from the President. Wasn't Daryn already being separated for other reasons?

Here is the quote:

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The military, however, has discharged other soldiers who also questioned Obama’s eligibility.

Last year Air Force Staff Sergeant Daryn Moran was given an honorable discharge following statements he made about the president’s eligibility.

Moran told his superiors he would not obey orders until Obama proved his eligibility. Rather than attempt to resolve the issue, the Air Force quickly discharged him.

I think Minor is rewriting history.

mimi · **Posted:** Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:27 am

Reality Check wrote:

Wasn't Daryn already being separated for other reasons?

He was talking about Muslims. Some of the staff at the place where he worked rightfully complained. He also complained about DADT repeal, but I don't think that would have been a reason.

Doc's post:
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/08/ ... n-unclear/

PatGund · **Posted:** Mon Mar 26, 2012 2:28 pm

Actually these two comments from Lakin caught my eye:

Blue Falcon Lakin wrote:

“Joe Arpaio has finally addressed this issue properly, and look at his findings. It is very apparent there is a legitimate question out there about Obama’s eligibility,” Lakin added. “I’m still waiting for our generals, admirals, congressional leaders and judges to do the right thing and address this issue properly. "

And

Blue Falcon Lakin wrote:

“Until the generals and admirals decide to deal with this, there are going to continue to be problems with soldiers such as Stein who have questions about the president’s birth certificate,” he said."

"Decide to deal with this", eh??

Sounds like someone is calling for a military coup to me.

Basically the birthers still don't get it that Lakin wasn't court-martialed because he was a birther. It was because he willfully and publically disobeyed direct orders from his immediate chain of command. (side note, his CO was at the time the only serving MoH holder).

This is the first I've heard that the tea party marine was also a birther but in that case as well, he was violating the UCMJ due to his public political commentary.

The birthers in this case aren't being "purged" because they're birthers, they're getting in trouble because they're violating military law.

bob · **Posted:** Wed Mar 28, 2012 12:56 pm

OBC: U.S. Military Purging “Birthers?”

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Jeff Schwilk (on Sun., Mar. 25) wrote:

Just a heads up ? my email and Facebook are lit up with locals, many of them veterans, wanting to show public support for Sgt. Stein now that he?s under severe attack by the military for his staunch defense of the Constitution. Tentatively we?re looking at having a big rally outside the main gate (I-5 & Oceanside Harbor Dr) on Wed. [today], probably in the afternoon, to protest the Marine Corps? rush discharge hearing they have scheduled for Friday. They want Stein gone and will trample all his rights to make it happen.

They accuse him of violations of the UCMJ for his one online forum post on March 1 about refusing to follow UNLAWFUL orders, yet they won?t formally charge him (because they can?t). Instead they are using a back door mechanism to just terminate his service without having to prove he did anything wrong. Did they think no one would notice or care? He now has nearly 25,000 likes on Facebook, with most of those signing up in the past two weeks.

[...]

This is just a proposal at this point. We?ll go solid with plans after we see what happens on Monday with our local Congressmen getting involved. At a minimum, we need to get that hearing delayed for at least a week to give Sgt. Stein and his attorneys time to prepare a proper defense.

If you have any other ideas how the public can help him beat these political charges, let me know. I?m right in the middle of this fight. This is now much bigger than just Sgt. Stein; its about the future of our armed forces and will they protect the Constitution and the citizens of our Republic from corrupt politicians and their illegal orders?

SueDB · **Posted:** Wed Mar 28, 2012 2:11 pm

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If you have any other ideas how the public can help him beat these political charges, let me know

Doesn't the phrase "beat the charges" imply the person is guilty as hell, but slipped through a boo boo or administrative hole. So, Orly is saying he is guilty as sin and wants someone to "get him off".

Shagnastie · **Posted:** Wed Apr 04, 2012 6:03 pm

I did a little followup on Sgt. Stein's situation today and came up with some items of interest:

First of all, there was THE RALLY (with all of two dozen+ supporters) =))

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http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/milit ... 7ec77.html

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Stein said he appreciated the efforts of the people at the rally. The signs they carried supporting him prompted numerous honks of support from drivers entering and exiting the base.

Those honks may have been more in the way of GTFOO the street, wankers ... :yankyank:

Then Rep. Duncan Hunter gets involved, along with ... :rimshot:

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...Gary Kreep and Nathaniel Oleson, lawyers for a conservative legal action organization based in Ramona called the United States Justice Foundation. Also named as counsel for Stein was Brewer, William J. Olson and associates from his McLean, Va., law firm specializing in constitutional law, and representatives of the American Civil Liberties Union and the Oath Keepers – an organization of military, veteran and law enforcement personnel pledging to defy orders they believe overstep the Constitution.

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/apr ... en-marine/

Only thing missing is Orly ... but I think Sgt. Stein is already totally fangooled, even with the ACLU there.

mimi · **Posted:** Wed Apr 04, 2012 6:17 pm

via Harry Riley's:

From everything I read by Stein, it doesn't seem like he wants to tone it down. So what's the point?

Throw him out.

Shagnastie · **Posted:** Wed Apr 04, 2012 6:34 pm

BTW, there were some interesting comments attached to the articles I cited ^^^^^.

mimi · **Posted:** Wed Apr 04, 2012 7:09 pm

Can't be the same Duncan Hunter.
Thursday, June 29 1989

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Congressional critics of the Supreme Court decision allowing burning of the American flag as protected free speech kept the House open all night and into Thursday morning to speak out against the ruling.

More than a dozen members told Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Calif., late Wednesday they were prepared to join him in the overnight marathon to protest the 5-4 decision last week.They talked until 8:42 a.m., adjourning until 11 a.m. for regular business. Weary stenographers and other floor staffers quickly fled to catch a quick nap before the House took up a foreign aid bill.

Many called for amending the Constitution to strike down the decision that flag burning is protected by the First Amendment guarantee of free speech.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/5313 ... NIGHT.html

But that was in '89.

Fast Forward to 2005:

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June 23, 2005

WASHINGTON – A constitutional amendment that would give Congress the power to outlaw flag burning passed the House yesterday and has a shot at getting through the Senate after four failed attempts in the past decade.

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Yesterday, Rep. James Sensenbrenner, R-Wis., said the "vast majority" of Americans support the measure, which would let them "correct" the 1989 Supreme Court decision ruling that flag burning is constitutionally protected speech.

wow. I thought we weren't allowed to say SCOTUS ruled wrong? Well, anyway...

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Republicans Cunningham, Duncan Hunter of El Cajon and Darrell Issa of Vista voted to approve the bill.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib ... 3flag.html

I wonder if Stein is gonna burn a flag to protest the usurper? Duncan's head might explode.

Litlebritdifrnt2 · **Posted:** Wed Apr 04, 2012 7:25 pm

What is this "expressing an opinion shared by the majority of Marines" bullshit. I live and work around Marines all day long, I probably speak to more Marines a day than dumbfuck Hunter does in a year. It is certainly NOT an opinion shared by the majority of Marines. :evil:

mimi · **Posted:** Wed Apr 04, 2012 7:40 pm

I hope a bunch of them write about it.

wavey davey · **Posted:** Wed Apr 04, 2012 8:54 pm

mimi wrote:

Can't be the same Duncan Hunter.

I believe that there is a Duncan Hunter Sr. and a Duncan Hunter Jr.

mimi · **Posted:** Wed Apr 04, 2012 9:00 pm

wavey davey wrote:

I believe that there is a Duncan Hunter Sr. and a Duncan Hunter Jr.

ahhhh... that makes sense.

Chilidog · **Joined:** Mon Jan 09, 2012 12:36 pm **Posts:** 1963

but there can be only one Duncan McLeod.

A Legal Lohengrin · **Joined:** Tue Oct 26, 2010 9:56 pm **Posts:** 9315

wavey davey wrote:

mimi wrote:

Can't be the same Duncan Hunter.

I believe that there is a Duncan Hunter Sr. and a Duncan Hunter Jr.

Duncan Hunter has been in office since 1981.

Falsehoods unchallenged only fester and grow.

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