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So, now the right is saying that the rights of corporations to locate wherever they want trump the rights of towns and cities to decide their own tax base? Good one.

If a town doesn't want a particular franchise, for whatever reason, they must be Nazis? I can think of dozens of towns off the top of my head who refused to let McDonald's or Taco Bell or Starbucks or any number for franchises in, because they didn't want to. I don't remember anyone saying You have to let them in or else.


two syllables --- WalMart - Many towns have lost lots of cash after they tried to '86 the big box stores from building and opening in town. WalMart has very good lawyers for an ugly American Company.

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So, now the right is saying that the right of corporations to locate wherever they want trumps the rights of towns and cities to decide their own tax base? Good one.

If a town doesn't want a particular franchise, for whatever reason, they must be Nazis? I can think of dozens of towns off the top of my head who refused to let McDonald's or Taco Bell or Starbucks or any number for franchises in, because they didn't want to. I don't remember anyone saying You have to let them in or else.

Hasn't Walmart aready fought, and lost, that battle several times?



Walmart fought and won. There are 2 stores in the area now.

Edit: one opened next door to Costco :o :shock:

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Chicago Ald. Moreno said on MSNBC he wanted to investigate whether or not CFA has actively discriminated against hiring or serving minorities and gays. If it has, then it has been breaking IL laws, he said.

He doesn't mention that CFA already has outlets throughout the state. A new one will open next week in Crystal Lake. I don't think he can make the case.

I don't think Chicago has a legal leg here. I say let CFA open. And let the residents decide. If the company meets the zoning and board of health requirements, the city can't refuse to let it open. Chicago would leave itself open to a huge multi-million-dollar lawsuit.


Edit: Also WalMart fought Chicago for years. Now there are several stores in the city. Hopefully Chicago learned an expensive lesson there.YUCK>

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kate520 wrote:
So, now the right is saying that the right of corporations to locate wherever they want trumps the rights of towns and cities to decide their own tax base? Good one.

If a town doesn't want a particular franchise, for whatever reason, they must be Nazis? I can think of dozens of towns off the top of my head who refused to let McDonald's or Taco Bell or Starbucks or any number for franchises in, because they didn't want to. I don't remember anyone saying You have to let them in or else.

Hasn't Walmart aready fought, and lost, that battle several times?



Walmart fought and won. There are 2 stores in the area now.

Edit: one opened next door to Costco :o :shock:

I don't know where your "area" is, but Walmart has been banned in several cities. Anti-big box laws have been passed to specifically keep them out, and it's worked. I think they are either already in a lawsuit or on the verge of one with New York City to force approval.


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Western Washington - The state laws do not permit town/cities from discriminating against big box businesses. The two are less than 10 miles apart with another 20 minutes south in Chehalis.

It is discrimination. You do realize that. That my be the type of discrimination that is acceptable to society???

What is the difference between a WalMart, KMart, Costco??? Not much - they are all big box stores who have opened in the area.

How can you let one (say K-Mart) in and then say Walmart is not welcome?

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It's not discrimination if it applies across the board. Restrictive signage and facade laws are passed and enforced too. We don't have K-Marts or Costcos here, just Walmarts and Sam's Clubs. Walmart spent several years and a lot of money fighting restrictive sign and facade ordinances before building in the next county. They have (or did at the time of construction) the only red brick Walmart in the country now, with a simple sign on the front of the building that matches every other buiding in the town. And it's not even in the trademark Walmart colors.


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It's not discrimination if it applies across the board. Restrictive signage and facade laws are passed and enforced too. We don't have K-Marts or Costcos here, just Walmarts and Sam's Clubs. Walmart spent several years and a lot of money fighting restrictive sign and facade ordinances before building in the next county. They have (or did at the time of construction) the only red brick Walmart in the country now, with a simple sign on the front of the building that matches every other buiding in the town. And it's not even in the trademark Walmart colors.


Also communities have been known to downsize future big box retail stores from 70,000 SF to 25,000 SF and increase ADA parking, building setback and storm pond detention requirements.

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Sugar Magnolia wrote:
It's not discrimination if it applies across the board. Restrictive signage and facade laws are passed and enforced too. We don't have K-Marts or Costcos here, just Walmarts and Sam's Clubs. Walmart spent several years and a lot of money fighting restrictive sign and facade ordinances before building in the next county. They have (or did at the time of construction) the only red brick Walmart in the country now, with a simple sign on the front of the building that matches every other buiding in the town. And it's not even in the trademark Walmart colors.


Also communities have been known to downsize future big box retail stores from 70,000 SF to 25,000 SF and increase ADA parking, building setback and storm pond detention requirements.


They are still building them....

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SueDB wrote:
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It's not discrimination if it applies across the board. Restrictive signage and facade laws are passed and enforced too. We don't have K-Marts or Costcos here, just Walmarts and Sam's Clubs. Walmart spent several years and a lot of money fighting restrictive sign and facade ordinances before building in the next county. They have (or did at the time of construction) the only red brick Walmart in the country now, with a simple sign on the front of the building that matches every other buiding in the town. And it's not even in the trademark Walmart colors.


Also communities have been known to downsize future big box retail stores from 70,000 SF to 25,000 SF and increase ADA parking, building setback and storm pond detention requirements.


They are still building them....



This be true. Walmart always molds itself to the community.

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There is a reason that the Environmental Regulations were passed.

It is like titty bars, you can't ban them - but you can put them all out at the airport.

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Rep. Joe Walsh is Muslim bashing again. And so soon after a white supremacist mistook Sikhs for Muslims? What an insane buffoon he is!
http://www.salon.com/2012/08/09/walsh_muslims_are_trying_to_kill_americans/

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Rep. Joe Walsh is Muslim bashing again. And so soon after a white supremacist mistook Sikhs for Muslims? What an insane buffoon he is!
http://www.salon.com/2012/08/09/walsh_muslims_are_trying_to_kill_americans/


He tried to walk that back a bit.

http://www.nbcchicago.com/blogs/ward-ro ... 17536.html

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Walsh is still a bigoted deadbeat buffoon.

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borealis wrote:
Walsh is still a bigoted deadbeat buffoon.


Case in point:


Joe Walsh Accused Of Racial Insensitivity For Referring To Obama As ‘Son’

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At a campaign barbecue in his district Sunday, Walsh was explaining what he hopes will be the tea party’s role in the election:

“There’s something different on the ground, and I think it’s going to overtake us all again, think it’s going to overtake the political class. I think it’s going to respectfully pick this president up and pat him on the head and say, son, son, son, Mr. President, you were never ready to be president, now go home and work for somebody and find out how the real world works.”

Color of Change, a progressive advocacy group said the Walsh line was “racially inflammatory.”

“Once again, Rep. Joe Walsh has decided to stoke racial fears about President Barack Obama in order to leverage support for his own campaign,” Color Of Change Executive Director Rashad Robinson said in a statement. “His comments not only demonstrate the lack of respect for President Obama’s position, but also for the millions of American voters who elected him into office in 2008.”


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All of the above results in him being Marooni's dream boy. :evil:

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Michigan Councilman Paul Smith has been asked by his colleagues to resign from office after he was seen depicting signs of President Barack Obama's head on a spike.

A video from 2009 shows Smith holding graphic signs condemning Obama and Michigan Governor Jennifer Granholm. An additional video from 2011, taken before his election to council, shows him doing the same to Nancy Pelosi, the Minority Leader of the House of Representatives.


more, including the video here:
http://globalgrind.com/news/michigan-co ... sign-video

and here:

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/08/10/m ... n-a-spike/

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A little dated (May of this year), but obnoxious nonetheless:

Mississippi Conservative Politician Calls For Putting Gay People To Death (addictinginfo.org, Stephen D. Foster Jr.)

Later on in the thread, Gipson posts a comment about how homosexuality is “unnatural” and causes “disease.”

According to Leviticus 20:13, “If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.”

By referring to this Bible verse on his Facebook page, Gipson is in fact, calling for killing homosexuals. And he isn’t apologizing for it either.


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Ohio Limits Early Voting Hours In Democratic Counties, Expands In Republican Counties

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Ohio has introduced a new tactic in their broader attempts to make it even harder for Democratic voters to get to the polls this year. Early voting stations in Ohio’s heavily Democratic counties will only be open between 8 am and 5 pm, while Republican counties have expanded their hours to allow voting on nights and weekends.

This rule is the latest in a broader attack on voting rights in Ohio, which often comes down to a tiny margin of votes. Ohio Republicans are currently ensconced in a legal battle with the Obama campaign over another new rule that would limit early voting in the three day period before the election exclusively to military families. Mitt Romney falsely claims Obama’s lawsuit is meant to take away voting rights from military families, when in fact he is simply trying to restore voting rights to all Ohio residents. Early voting was introduced to mitigate Ohio’s notoriously chaotic elections, in which thousands of votes are tossed due to clerical errors and bureaucratic confusion.

Starting October 1st, voters in Democrat-leaning urban centers including Cleveland, Columbus, Akron and Toledo will now only be allowed to vote between 8 am and 5 pm on weekdays, when the majority of people are at work. The board of elections in these counties, which are split evenly between Democrats and Republicans, was gridlocked over a Democratic effort to expand hours. The Republican Secretary of State Jon Husted stepped in to deny expanded hours in these counties. But Republican-heavy counties have actually expanded early voting hours on nights and weekends, when most people have time to go to the polls. The Nation reports:

According to the Board of Elections, 82% of early voters in Franklin County voted early on nights or weekends, which Republicans have curtailed. The number who voted on nights or weekends was nearly 50% in Cuyahoga County.

“I cannot create unequal access from one county board to another, and I must also keep in mind resources available to each county,” Husted said in explaining his decision to deny expanded early voting hours in heavily Democratic counties. Yet in solidly Republican counties like Warren and Butler, GOP election commissioners have approved expanded early voting hours on nights and weekends.


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How do these assholes get away with crap like this... and in FL. :evil:

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This is outrageous! What a Bush league trick!

Surely someone can get a preliminary injunction to stop it before November? It's antithetical to everything democracy stands for.

Wow, Kimba. I thought Ohioans were more sophisticated than that.

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It looks like Husted is changing his mind. In an article today about early voting in Ohio, Husted is reconsidering allowing the local boards of elections to set their own early voting hours:

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The growing outcry from Democrats and black leaders is causing Secretary of State Jon Husted to reconsider whether he should impose a statewide standard on early voting hours.

“Given the controversy that has seemed to envelop this and the lack of facts out there, I will be forced to consider issuing a standard directive for hours of operation,” he told The Dispatch.


The county commissioners can also order the boards of elections to extend voting hours. The county commissioners in Franklin and Cuyahoga counties are all Democrats.

Husted has committed to sending every registered voter in Ohio an application for voting by mail. This was in response to complaints from the rural boards of election that they can't afford to send out applications for every election after the Repub-controlled Ohio legislature passed a law that says voters have to apply each election for vote-by-mail instead of applying just once and having a standing vote-by-mail option.

He also launched a statewide website yesterday that allows registered voters to change their address online. His aim was to reduce the number of provisional ballots that have to be handled separately.

The Republicans are pretty pissed off at Husted because he seems to want to do what it takes to make voting access consistent statewide. And like I said to my very good friend yesterday, everyone knows the only people who don't reserve election day to be at their precinct station and want to vote by mail, or move between elections, are the thumb-sucking libruls.


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We can hope that it will create a large enough backlash to make a difference. It means those voters in the blue districts are going to have to make an extra effort to get to the polls and vote out the GOP who are doing their best to keep them from voting.

Rachel has been on this for a few days and it is just a part of the overall plan to win this election by tactics such as these and all the other voter suppression schemes we have seen in swing states. Ohio and Florida are the most critical and where the voter suppression efforts will be the strongest. We can expect longer lines in the cities and greater shortages of polling places and ballots along with mailers with misinformation to confuse votes. This latest Ohio tactic was to interfere with the black churches that have been getting their congregations to the polls on the Sunday before Election Day. I expect an organized effort to defeat this tactic and the DoJ may have to step in. There's no question that it is intended to keep minorities from voting and to make it easier for the conservative rural voters to vote. Yes, it is both American (red-state-of-mind) and un-American to do this kind of thing. The question is which side of America is going to fight the hardest this time around. The 99% have an awful lot to lose if they don't get off their duffs and protect their interests.

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Wow, Kimba. I thought Ohioans were more sophisticated than that.

=)) The reason Republicans in Ohio keep getting caught at this kind of trickery is they are not at all clever or sophisticated about it. It's in-your-face, gloves-off partisan politics all the time, led by Gov. In-Your-Face-Gloves-Off Kasich. Heh, Ken Blackwood got away with it in 2004. Guess who he's working for these days


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Early voting, absentee rules, etc need to be uniform thought an entire state, hell I think they should be uniform nationwide, but that'll never happen

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Is there an army of dem lawyers in place for election day? Are there trained volunteers to transport and intervene in disputes?

Edit: X50 states
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