Man. This was soooooo upside down and backwards and "timey wimey" that I could hardly keep up. I had to watch it once last night and then twice this morning on DVD (no adverts!).

The bottom line, the Doctor changed River from "the woman who killed the Doctor" to "the woman who married the Doctor" that was the most important thing for me in the entire show. That is what he was doing for her, she said "there are various stories for us, I am either the woman who kills the doctor or the woman who marries the doctor" at the end of the show he obviously tells her "you are now the woman who marries the doctor" so she is obviously not the woman who kills the doctor in history.

I thought the entire episode was brilliant.

What a lovely, twisted, time-defying episode. Man I love these new Dr stories..

Agreed. I need to watch the episode one more time; I was sorting financial paperwork and trying to follow "timey wimey" stuff at the same time. I think that only a Time Lord could do both at the same time. (Calling all Doctor Who fans from the 60s-80s: What are female Time Lords called?)

Obviously, River has known all along (well, as we have seen her) that Amy and Rory are her parents. I really hope that the show keeps Alex Kingston around next season. She is the Doctor's wife now, and and Amy and Rory are the in-laws.

So, when was the Doctor a robot and when was he the real Doctor?? I got mixed up with that. I'm sure watching the show again will help.

Or not!

I was surprised that it was the adult River in the astronaut suit rather than the child version. I hope that next season River's story is more fully explained; where was Melody until she met up with Amy? We saw her briefly as a white 7-8 year old. I love that River escapes from prison to be with the Doctor each night!!

But, if the Doctor didn't die, why is she in prison?

I think Alex likes being on the show, and she has good chem with the Doctor and with Amy and Rory. I hope she sticks around for season 7.

Agreed; I wasn't as happy with episodes 8-12 as I was with all the rest of the episodes, but I'm going to watch all 13 episodes together starting this week or next weekend.

The episode where Amy was in an accelerated time stream freaked me out!

I wish we could all watch an episode together!!!

Oh, that would be the Coolest. Thing. Ever.

That should be a key part of the next FB gathering.

I need the rewatch the ep because there's just too much to take in with just one viewing. I'm glad that we weren't left hanging to the degree possible by the storyline, considering the next season won't begin airing until next FALL. *shakes fist at Stephen Moffat*

My understanding, however weak, is that the Doctor was inside the Tesselect version of himself when River "killed" him - there was some mention of barely getting singed when the body was burned, I recall. And as for why River is in jail - if the Doctor really did go underground far enough, then the assumption would be he was dead since he wasn't swanning about the universe very publicly saving galaxies. Maybe?

The questions that have stuck with me so far are: 1) is this goodbye for Amy and Rory? We've seen them comfortably ensconced in a nice home, and have had a glimpse of Amy's post-Doctor life as a model, so does this mean their adventures with the Doctor are over? and 2) is the next season going to be focused on the Doctor's origin story? If we're looking for the answer to the question "doctor WHO?" does that mean we'll learn more about the young Doctor's life on Gallifrey or at least pre-2005 reboot Doctor?

While I don't expect any announcement that Matt is leaving, this did have an "ending" feeling to it that makes me uncomfortable. But then, I long ago gave up trying to figure out what Moffat and BBC marketing are up to...

I read some place that Matt is signed for season seven.

Karen Gillan is returning as Amy for Season 7!



Rory will return as well:



I can't find anything confirmatory about Alex Kingston, but she does say that she would like to continue as River into season 7.

An interview with Alex Kingston.

The BBC and FB have teamed up to offer Doctor Who classic episodes.



An interview with Matt Smith, in which he claims that the doctor is asexual.

I don't agree with Matt Smith on this one. The Doctor's love for Rose was passionate (in a children's tv show kind of way). David Tennet's Doctor told Rose that he had been a father (it is assumed that they died in the Time War). The first episode of Doctor Who had the Doctor's granddaughter traveling with him. Obviously, the Doctor isn't asexual. At least, LMK really hopes he isn't.

On a side note, My family and I went to GeekGirlCon in Seattle last weekend. And my almost ten year old daughter wanted to wear her chosen Halloween costume.

Captain Jack Harkness. (She's only seen him in Doctor Who, we DON'T let her watch Torchwood!) Alas, we don't have the coat done yet, but she wore the rest of it.

Well, she met up with another (female) cosplayer who was doing the Eleventh Doctor......



Oh, and one more.



My (not so little) Geek Girl.....

It took me a while to realize that Torchwood is an anagram for Doctor Who.
Who would have thunk...

Pat your daughter is adorable! You really have her hooked huh?

There is going to be a Con here at the end of October and I am seriously thinking of going. It is the First Annual so it should be interesting to see what they have.

As for the Asexual thing I think that Matt was probably referring to the fact that Time Lords can regenerate into either sex (a la The Corsair "she was a bad girl")

It appears to me that we have seen the end for both the Doctor and for Riversong (in their time streams, remember River is going backwards) evidenced by the "don't you dare" admonition. Of course now we know that the Doctor is not really dead (duh) and River's "soul" was downloaded in the library but we have seen the bookends of the Story, River dies "but time can be rewritten" "don't you dare" to the Doctor dies "time can be rewritten" "don't you dare". It is obvious that both of them enjoyed their time with the other to the extent that they would be willing to "die" rather than lose those memories.

This could be very interesting in the future.

I just finished Season 4 of Torchwood. I, like several other TFB Torchwood fans, gave up on Season 4 after the 2nd episode. The series seemed so different and boring in the first 2 episodes. I am very, very glad that I gave the show another try (Season 4 can be streamed on Netflix now). I plan to watch Season 4 again very soon.

I didn't think this possible, but the story line in Season 4 is even more disturbing than that of Season 3. The moral message in Season 4 is powerful.

So, those who gave up on Season 4, try the season again. It got better and better and better. I watched 5 episodes in a row tonight! The ending was a stunner. I wish I could share it ... but I don't want to give spoilers! I will share this though; an incident from Jack's history was horrifying (not scary scary, but OMG ... who the hell does that to someone! ). I would never have guessed that he experienced what he did. I (and I am sure others) gained new insight into Jack's character and just how much of a curse immortality can be.

I started a Torchwood thread. Please, someone watch Season 4 so I can discuss it with someone!!! None of my non-TFB friends like Torchwood!

Please?!!

It's possible this may be good.....or blow serious amounts of dead penguins.

IDW's TNG/Doctor Who Crossover Comic Due In May

That is going to be, uh, interesting.

Among the things I learned today, I just discovered that you can watch a number of the very first episodes of Doctor Who ever shown on BBC. I'm talking those from way back when -- 1964. If you're an Amazon Prime member, you can watch them for free. They have shows with the very first actor who played the Doctor -- William Hartnell as well as other Doctors like Tom Baker. I don't know how long these have been available on Amazon Instant Video. Several months ago, I went through Amazon's Instant Videos to see what was available. I don't recall seeing the Doctor Who videos then -- but then again that was long before yesterday and who knows what I forgot once I fell asleep.

I love old time movies -- especially late 40's and early 50's. Amazon Instant Video has a number and it seems that more are being added all the time. Something you may not know, IMDB also has free movies at their site. I discovered that when I was looking for a favorite movie from the 40's "I Married a Witch." You can check out IMDB's selection at:IMDB Free Full-length Movies

I have only vaguely heard of Dr Who, but it does seem like something all the cool, smart kids like. Maybe I will give it a try

But you have the really important things covered -- like shoes. I think you'll enjoy the Feb 20 Argyle Sweater Comic Strip. Shoe - Themed Comic Strip

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Are any of our Whovians familiar with her? Is this a good choice? I think the chemistry between Matt, Arthur and Karen has been wonderful and will be difficult to replace.

***SPOILER ALERT***
[link]Further revelationshttp://popculturezoo.com/201 ... to-return/[/link] on the departure of the Ponds and the arc of Season Seven.

Re-post to correct links

Former Emmerdale actor Jenna-Louise Coleman is to replace Karen Gillan as the Time Lord's companion in BBC1 drama Doctor Who.

Are any of you familiar with her work? Is this a good choice?

***SPOILER ALERT***

Further revelations about the fate of the Ponds and the arc of Season 7 can be found here

And now, David Tennant kissing John Barrowman..

New Who news:
Diana Rigg will guest star in an episode written by Mark Gatiss.

Can't wait!

Doctor Who, Season 7 begins on Sept 1st!

And DirecTV just added BBCA in HD - finally.

Okay. So this is supposed to buy me some brownie points here -- or so boos. I share my little cul de sac in Palm Springs with 9 other houses, one of which has a John & Scott who have a house at the end. That would be John Barrowman. So I go to the UK once a year for 2-3 weeks and see We Will Rock You every time, but otherwise pretty much zone out about UK culture.

So last May, when his dad who stays the winter in the house told me that John was an actor, I naturally assumed John was a waiter somewhere in L.A. since every other waiter here is an actor-wanna-be looking for the big part any day now. So, John comes to my house to pick up extra beer I had left over from a party cuz I don't drink beer, and he's visiting with me, the cats and the evil demon dog, very friendly like. To make conversation, I asked him if he'd had a part in anything I'd recognize. He said Dr. Who and Torchwood. (I'd never even heard of the latter which was shot not three blocks from my studio office.) It went downhill from there, but then he mentioned that maybe my Scottish friend in London (who is gay) would know who he is, because he's done more in the UK, especially stage work. Okay, I did mention it to my friend when I talked to him, just in passing, on the phone. There was a veritable explosion you could hear all the way from London, no need for the telephone at all. I haven't heard the end of it since I mentioned it to my friend who has now bombarded me with youtubes of John Barrowman for the last four months.

I am the onliest straight person and only one of 3 houses of 10 that is weekend only. In the 3 years I've had the place, I've met everyone and several are real hotties. It's a very friend street. He was just another gay hottie to me, what do I know?

So, before the PS season starts again in October, how do I watch Dr. Who and Torchwood? I got all seasons of Torchwood on Blueray. Can I start there? Or do I have to watch Dr. Who first?

btw, he is cuter in person even. And so nice. I feel kind of bad.