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IIRC, the report said he had one small (1 inch?) laceration on the back of his head. Apparently not bad enough to alarm the paramedics, but bad enough for two large bandages the next day. (those look like the type used on jointed areas anyway)


Those bandages were on the advice of counsel.


Seems as though he didn't expect he would need to specifically instruct Zimmerman to choose bandages appropriate to the location and actual size of the wound.

Nor does it seem defense counsel thought he would need to advise his client to shave around the wound(s) before trying to apply the fake bandages. What fucking idiots.

I lacerated my leg a few years ago and treated it at home. In the process, I shaved the area around the wound before applying the final dressing (hair is not sterile).

Zimmerman, and his attorney, were fucking idiots for thinking everyone else are idiots.

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I think his call and the 911 calls are the most damning evidence when compared to his statements to the police. I am at a complete loss why so many opinion pieces are claiming this latest record dump proves Zimmerman innocent.


This is the part I'm having trouble with as well.

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In the taped interview at the police station, Zimmerman said he was suspicious of Trayvon because he knew all the kids and all the adults in the complex. However, it was clear in the interview he did not know the people who came out of their houses when the incident took place and it was obvious he didn't know about the people that Trayvon was visiting. It was also very strange that he would not know the name of the streets in the area where he was frequently reporting things to the police. His mind was so far over in being suspicious and territorial that it never occurred to him that Trayvon might be someone who was innocent and was behaving normally.

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I am at a complete loss why so many opinion pieces are claiming this latest record dump proves Zimmerman innocent.
Because they accept everything Zimmerman says at face value. You can't see on the walkthrough where the body actually was -- and (fortunately) the cops do not make any attempt to clue Zimmerman in on that dicrepency-- so if you just watched the video and knew nothing else, you might believe the guy.

It is viewing the video, listening to the dispatch tape, and looking at a crime scene map that makes it so apparent that he is lying.

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I'm even more amazed that his own attorney released this stuff.


I think that under the Florida open records law and a court order these videos & statements were about to be released to the media anyway. There was a court order about a week ago specifying what could/could not be released & when. So it's just a case of the lawyer trying to get ahead of the media.

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But something else I found interesting. In the final phone interview with Serino, Zimmerman is told he's to meet with state detectives in Jacksonville; his attorney didn't release those interviews.


We don't know that the Jacksonville interview ever took place. Sometimes people make appointments to talk to the cops, and then on the day of the scheduled interview call up and say that on the advice of counsel they've changed their mind.


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I finally got around to watching the walk-through video of Zimmerman and the police.

Sorry, but I'm LMAO. =)) WTF is with those bandages on his head? They are just sitting on top his buzzcut hair and not in contact with his scalp. His wounds were not bad enough to require bandages on the night he killed executed Trayvon. This was a little theatrical show. This fucking guy is guilty as sin and knows it.


What's more, the police knew it and did everything within their power to cover it up. They knew Trayvon was an innocent kid and despite that, tried to coach his murderer (who was apparently too stupid to pick up on it) into giving an exculpatory statement. Then, when he gave a statement that made it clear he was guilty as sin, they still couldn't bring themselves to arrest the murdering POS.


I think Detective Serino was ready to charge him after the 3rd interview on 2/29. At the very end of the tape, the other Detective mentions something about letting him go and Serino says "he's not going anywhere". He was overruled by the Chief of Police and the Prosecutor. He's also the one who was with GZ when he tells him he wasn't a "fucking punk" but a good kid from a loving, caring family with a future in front of him and yet there was zero reaction from GZ. Nothing! Serino said in one of the tapes that most people can't function after taking an innocent life. GZ again has no reaction. Something is really off with this guy, he killed a 17 year old kid who was doing nothing wrong!

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Emma wrote:
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IIRC, the report said he had one small (1 inch?) laceration on the back of his head. Apparently not bad enough to alarm the paramedics, but bad enough for two large bandages the next day. (those look like the type used on jointed areas anyway)


Those bandages were on the advice of counsel.


Seems as though he didn't expect he would need to specifically instruct Zimmerman to choose bandages appropriate to the location and actual size of the wound.


And they're not even the same kind -- like he dug through the medicine chest and found the two odd ones that looked big enough to signal a substantial injury. One is a butterfly bandage, and one is a fingertip bandage (shaped like an H). It looks absolutely ridiculous, especially perched on top of his hair! It looks even more so because the in the video on the night of the shooting, there are no bandages, and all bleeding has stopped.


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I just watched this re-enactment that compares the video with GZ's non-emergency call. There are a great number of discrepancies seen here in the video and it doesn't do GZ any good. He looks to be the liar I thought he was. I'm looking forward to the day when he is sentenced to a few decades in prison.

http://globalgrind.com/news/george-zimm ... call-video

Also noted is that Trayvon Martin did not have any of GZ's DNA on his hands. Considering the back of his head had blood running down it, not a large amount, but enough that if you had his head in your hands banging it against the sidewalk, it would have been nearly impossible not to get any blood on you. GZ said his nose was also bloody after the fight, if TM had punched him in the nose, causing it to bleed, but also held his hand over his nose and mouth, why is there no DNA from blood or saliva on his hands. If GZ was screaming as he said he was, TM would have saliva from GZ on his hands when he covered GZ's mouth. The more research I do into this, the more reason I see for the 2nd degree murder charge. It's common sense to question these things and I can't come up with a reasonable explanation as to why this happened.

On a personal note, I think of my biracial grandson and how he would be perceived by racist assholes like GZ for simply being in a neighborhood where they think he doesn't belong. I hope by the time he reaches adulthood, things will be far different but after the way our President has been maligned, his character assassinated, I'm not as hopeful as I used to be.

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I just watched this re-enactment that compares the video with GZ's non-emergency call. There are a great number of discrepancies seen here in the video and it doesn't do GZ any good. He looks to be the liar I thought he was. I'm looking forward to the day when he is sentenced to a few decades in prison.

http://globalgrind.com/news/george-zimm ... call-video

Also noted is that Trayvon Martin did not have any of GZ's DNA on his hands. Considering the back of his head had blood running down it, not a large amount, but enough that if you had his head in your hands banging it against the sidewalk, it would have been nearly impossible not to get any blood on you. GZ said his nose was also bloody after the fight, if TM had punched him in the nose, causing it to bleed, but also held his hand over his nose and mouth, why is there no DNA from blood or saliva on his hands. If GZ was screaming as he said he was, TM would have saliva from GZ on his hands when he covered GZ's mouth. The more research I do into this, the more reason I see for the 2nd degree murder charge. It's common sense to question these things and I can't come up with a reasonable explanation as to why this happened.

On a personal note, I think of my biracial grandson and how he would be perceived by racist assholes like GZ for simply being in a neighborhood where they think he doesn't belong. I hope by the time he reaches adulthood, things will be far different but after the way our President has been maligned, his character assassinated, I'm not as hopeful as I used to be.


The DNA and other evidence proves Zimmerman to be a liar. A compulsive one, at that.


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I had a small cyst removed from my scalp last summer. It required a 1-inch incision that took a couple of stitches to close. They did not shave any of my hair around the incision and they placed the bandage right on top of my hair. When I changed the bandage at home at home over the next couple of day, I used several different kinds of bandages including the kind that Zimmerman used because that was all I had.

There are a lot of suspicious things about Zimmerman, his behavior the night he killed Trayvon Martin, and his recounting of his story but I honestly don't see anything particularly strange about his bandages in that video. I had the same bandages for the same type of wound and I most certainly was not trying to cover up a crime.


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I had a small cyst removed from my scalp last summer. It required a 1-inch incision that took a couple of stitches to close. They did not shave any of my hair around the incision and they placed the bandage right on top of my hair. When I changed the bandage at home at home over the next couple of day, I used several different kinds of bandages including the kind that Zimmerman used because that was all I had.

There are a lot of suspicious things about Zimmerman, his behavior the night he killed Trayvon Martin, and his recounting of his story but I honestly don't see anything particularly strange about his bandages in that video. I had the same bandages for the same type of wound and I most certainly was not trying to cover up a crime.


I would agree with you that a bandage is not necessarily unusual. I would think that the dressing on your head was covering the sutures to help prevent infection since in order to remove the cyst, the physician would be incising an area deeper than what we see on GZ's head. In this case, he was treated by EMT's at the scene and the bleeding had ceased by the time he reached the Sanford Police station as we can clearly see on the video. If the EMT's had no need to use any type of dressing the previous evening, there's zero cause for GZ to use them the next day, especially the second one on his head considering the injuries were described as being 1" in length for one of them and the other only 1/4" long. They were for show, along with the ridiculous butterfly bandage on his nose. As a Registered Nurse Practitioner, I've found that if there's the option to go without a dressing of any type or bandage, that is what 99% of all patients prefer. In GZ's case, they were for the theatrical re-enactment, complete with all his lies and inconsistencies.

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I just watched this re-enactment that compares the video with GZ's non-emergency call. There are a great number of discrepancies seen here in the video and it doesn't do GZ any good. He looks to be the liar I thought he was. I'm looking forward to the day when he is sentenced to a few decades in prison.

http://globalgrind.com/news/george-zimm ... call-video


I spotted another lie he told. In the video at about the 4:40 mark GZ says he backed his car out of the spot by the clubhouse and drove to the corner, made a right and then a left and claims he parked by where he says a truck is parked in the video. Jump to the 12:20 mark in the video and he says he told the dispatcher; “Just tell him (the officer) to meet me at my truck next to the clubhouse. Go straight into the clubhouse and make a left. A silver Honda Ridgeline is parked right there, I’ll meet him right there.

Where was his truck actually parked when the cops arrived? Was that even taken notice of?

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Also noted is that Trayvon Martin did not have any of GZ's DNA on his hands. Considering the back of his head had blood running down it, not a large amount, but enough that if you had his head in your hands banging it against the sidewalk, it would have been nearly impossible not to get any blood on you. GZ said his nose was also bloody after the fight, if TM had punched him in the nose, causing it to bleed, but also held his hand over his nose and mouth, why is there no DNA from blood or saliva on his hands. If GZ was screaming as he said he was, TM would have saliva from GZ on his hands when he covered GZ's mouth. The more research I do into this, the more reason I see for the 2nd degree murder charge. It's common sense to question these things and I can't come up with a reasonable explanation as to why this happened.


That is true but the blood didn't run "down" the back of his head, it ran to the side to his ear.
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Now if he was on his back on the ground how the hell did it do that? Even in the photo after he was at the police station you can see from the side which way the blood went.
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GZ may have busted the back of his head, but as it bled he had to be the one on top with his head bent over forward in order for the blood to have run the way it did.


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He's totally arrogant, believing that the police will take his word for it in spite of hard evidence to the contrary. Even when confronted with all of these inconsistencies, he digs in and continues to lie.


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More Trayvon Martin Killing Evidence Expected Today

Florida prosecutors announced this morning they expect at about 1 p.m. today to release more evidence in the case against George Zimmerman, who is charged with second-degree murder in the killing of unarmed Florida teenager Trayvon Martin.

A spokeswoman for special prosecutor Angela Corey’s office said the evidence is expected to include audio and video recordings as well as written statements from Zimmerman and the police.

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With all these releases of evidence by the defense, the prosecution, and the police, are they going to be able to seat a jury anyplace but Nunavut?

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He's totally arrogant, believing that the police will take his word for it in spite of hard evidence to the contrary. Even when confronted with all of these inconsistencies, he digs in and continues to lie.


He was so arrogant that, in an Orly-like fashion, he didn't even recognize when he was being thrown a lifeline. The cops wanted to give him a chance to establish a credible story, the exact opposite of how they conduct an interview when they want to get a suspect to confess.

Despite the best attempt of the police to bungle the investigation and save the son of someone apparently well-placed politically, Zimmerman managed to dig himself a deep hole.

I hope it's deep beyond reasonable doubt, but I think the prosecution has a hard row to hoe.

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With all these releases of evidence by the defense, the prosecution, and the police, are they going to be able to seat a jury anyplace but Nunavut?


Yes. They managed to seat a jury in the Casey Anthony case. Whether they should have been able to do that is another question, but imagine that a criminal could escape trial simply by committing a crime so heinous that it rightly outrages the public. At best, they move it somewhere out of the area. The prosecution itself may have a claim that the area is prejudiced against the victim.

In any event, it would probably be best to move the case to as neutral a venue as possible, but that wouldn't necessarily make it reversible error not to do so.

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In any event, it would probably be best to move the case to as neutral a venue as possible, but that wouldn't necessarily make it reversible error not to do so.


What's the usual standard of appeal for a denial of a venue change? Abuse of discretion?

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In any event, it would probably be best to move the case to as neutral a venue as possible, but that wouldn't necessarily make it reversible error not to do so.


What's the usual standard of appeal for a denial of a venue change? Abuse of discretion?


Apparently so.

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Apparently, that remains the case, although the issue of pretrial publicity might have received more attention since then.

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http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/06/george_zimmerman_lie_detector_trayvon_martin.php?ref=fpnewsfeed

Passed 2 lie detector tests. Still think he's guilty, considering the evidence and discrepencies mentioned above.

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On the issue of the state (prosecution) releasing evidence, please remember that Florida has Sunshine Laws which compels the release of a lot of information.

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I've come to believe GZ is a sociopath. That might explain how he passed the lie detector tests.

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I've come to believe GZ is a sociopath. That might explain how he passed the lie detector tests.


This.


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One of the questions asked was, "Have you ever driven over the posted speed limit" and he answers, "No".


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One of the questions asked was, "Have you ever driven over the posted speed limit" and he answers, "No".


I was curious about that as well. It really stretches credulity that he could answer 'no' truthfully. That voice stress test was not very impressive.

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One of the questions asked was, "Have you ever driven over the posted speed limit" and he answers, "No".


I was curious about that as well. It really stretches credulity that he could answer 'no' truthfully. That voice stress test was not very impressive.

I don't have faith in those tests, either, but if you look at the graphs for each of his answers, you'll see the audio graph for #8 looks much different from his other "No" answers. Being it was a Control question, I don't see how his lying on it matters. Since the police know the answer to that is Yes for 99.9% of the population, whichever way he answers helps with the test.

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