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Postby Addie » Thu Jul 31, 2014 12:12 pm

[link]Reuters,http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/31/us-usa-immigration-idUSKBN0G01UE20140731[/link]





House, Senate poised to pass rival border security bills





(Reuters) - The Congress on Thursday is set to debate "emergency" border security legislation that lawmakers acknowledge will not be enacted but will enable them to campaign for re-election by arguing they worked to address a humanitarian crisis.





Republicans and Democrats have been sparring over President Barack Obama's request for $3.7 billion to respond to the crisis in which tens of thousands of Central American children have tried to enter the United States illegally.





With Congress on the verge of beginning its five-week summer recess, the votes in the Republican-controlled House of Representatives and Democratic-held Senate on Thursday will mark a holding pattern.





When lawmakers return in September, they will be focused on legislation to keep the government running in the fiscal year that begins on Oct. 1.

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Postby Addie » Thu Jul 31, 2014 3:11 pm

[link]HuffPo,http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/31/house-border-vote_n_5638449.html[/link]





House Scraps Vote On Bill To Address Border Crisis





WASHINGTON -- The House abruptly removed a bill from its schedule that would provide $659 million in funding to address the ongoing border crisis, after initially planning to vote on the measure Thursday afternoon.





The bill had significant opposition from Democrats, but GOP leadership decided to add a separate vote, if the first were to pass, on a measure meant to bring on conservative support: ending a key Obama policy that allows undocumented young people in the U.S. for years to remain in the country.





That move wasn't enough to get to 218 votes. The GOP leadership -- House Speaker John Boehner (Ohio), Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy (Calif.), Majority Whip Steve Scalise (La.), and Conference Chairwoman Cathy McMorris Rodgers (Wash.) -- issued a statement saying the House "will continue to work on solutions to the border crisis and other challenges facing our country."





"This situation shows the intense concern within our conference -- and among the American people -- about the need to ensure the security of our borders and the president's refusal to faithfully execute our laws," they said. "There are numerous steps the president can and should be taking right now, without the need for congressional action, to secure our borders and ensure these children are returned swiftly and safely to their countries."





That House Republicans said the president should act alone to deal with the crisis is significant given their opposition to many of his previous executive actions. The House GOP voted on Wednesday to authorize a lawsuit against Obama for his actions to enforce Obamacare. Obama has said he needs additional funding from Congress to address the influx of unaccompanied minors.

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Postby Kriselda Gray » Thu Jul 31, 2014 3:32 pm

[link]HuffPo,http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/31/house-border-vote_n_5638449.html[/link]That House Republicans said the president should act alone to deal with the crisis is significant given their opposition to many of his previous executive actions. The House GOP voted on Wednesday to authorize a lawsuit against Obama for his actions to enforce Obamacare. Obama has said he needs additional funding from Congress to address the influx of unaccompanied minors.

And despite such blatant hypocrisy people are still voting for them

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Postby Addie » Thu Jul 31, 2014 4:19 pm

They keep taking these comic pratfalls, somebody's gonna get hurt. :dontwanttolook:
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Postby Piffle » Thu Jul 31, 2014 5:07 pm

[link]HuffPo,http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/31/house-border-vote_n_5638449.html[/link]





House Scraps Vote On Bill To Address Border Crisis





WASHINGTON -- The House abruptly removed a bill from its schedule that would provide $659 million in funding to address the ongoing border crisis, after initially planning to vote on the measure Thursday afternoon.





The bill had significant opposition from Democrats, but GOP leadership decided to add a separate vote, if the first were to pass, on a measure meant to bring on conservative support: ending a key Obama policy that allows undocumented young people in the U.S. for years to remain in the country.





That move wasn't enough to get to 218 votes. The GOP leadership -- [highlight]House Speaker John Boehner[/highlight] (Ohio), Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy (Calif.), Majority Whip Steve Scalise (La.), and Conference Chairwoman Cathy McMorris Rodgers (Wash.) -- issued a statement saying the House "will continue to work on solutions to the border crisis and other challenges facing our country."





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Nuh uh! [-X The way I heard it, the House bill was killed by Speaker Cruz.

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Postby mimi » Thu Jul 31, 2014 5:26 pm

Fox News guy... so who knows?

Chad Pergram @ChadPergram · 2h#BREAKING Source says Cruz influence didn't blowup border bill. It was Sen Sessions. "Sessions cost us the entire AL & MS delegations."

Chad Pergram @ChadPergram · 26m1 of Scalise's new deputy whips Rep Kristi Noem on assertion some mbrs made that Scalise was partly to blame for bill blowup: "That's bull"

Chad Pergram @ChadPergram · 4mHse Rules Cmte to meet at 5:30 pm et. So-called "martial law" will run thru end of Aug recess. To be limited to border & immigration bills.


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Postby bob » Thu Jul 31, 2014 5:28 pm

Ob.:


A victory for Tea Party, House withdraws a bad immigration bill, which did not have provisions to defund DACA. Demand immediate rescission of illegal DACA

:twisted: [/break1]orlytaitzesq.com/a-victory-for-tea-party-house-withdraws-a-bad-immigration-bill-which-did-not-have-provisions-to-defund-daca-demand-immediate-rescission-of-illegal-daca/]http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/a-victory-f ... egal-daca/ :twisted:

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Postby Addie » Fri Aug 01, 2014 4:15 pm

[link]LA Times,http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/politicsnow/la-pn-obama-border-20140801-story.html[/link]





Obama: House GOP border plan is 'extreme' and 'going nowhere'





President Obama blasted House Republicans for focusing on "extreme" and "partisan message bills," rather than solving problems, highlighting how little lawmakers have accomplished before leaving town for a summer recess.





Speaking to reporters at the White House on Friday, Obama noted signs of economic progress, but argued that "we could be much further along" if the GOP had agreed to "even basic" elements of his agenda.





Obama pointed to Congress' failure to deal with the surge of young Central American immigrants arriving at the southern border. Lawmakers left this week without passing legislation to address the problem, although both Democrats and Republicans had declared it a top priority. ...





"They can't even pass their own version of the bill," Obama said. "That's not a disagreement between me and the House Republicans. That's a disagreement between the House Republicans and the House Republicans."





The president noted a particularly awkward moment for Republicans, when leaders issued a statement Thursday calling on Obama to use his executive authority to address the issue. A day earlier, the House had voted to sue the president for executive overreach.

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Postby esseff44 » Fri Aug 01, 2014 6:38 pm

I am watching the House (C-Span) consider some bills about border security and response to immigrant crisis. It is mostly theater and is very sad to watch. The RWNJ wants to add more funding for National Guard troops to go to the border and to keep the president from aiding the dreamers.....or anyone else.Even if they pass something, the Senate will not vote on it. The G'OPer's did not like the President call them 'dysfunctional' since they were still in session and 'working.' Voting now.The President said earlier that they leave him no choice but to act on his own.

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Postby Addie » Fri Aug 01, 2014 9:12 pm

[link]HuffPo,http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/01/house-border-hill_n_5643259.html[/link]





House Passes Dead-On-Arrival Bill To Address Border Crisis





WASHINGTON -- The House approved a funding bill Friday evening to address a crisis of unaccompanied minors crossing the U.S. border illegally, sending the legislation to a Senate that is out of town and wouldn't consider it anyway -- and a president who has already promised a veto.





The bill passed 223 to 189.





The legislation is meant to address an influx of 57,500 unaccompanied minors who have been apprehended since October crossing the U.S.-Mexico border. President Barack Obama requested $3.7 billion in funds, which House members quickly ruled out. They first considered a $1.5 billion package, which shrunk to less than $1 billion, then to $659 million.





It almost didn't get a vote at all. Republican House leaders pulled the bill from the schedule on Thursday, the last planned day before the August recess, because it didn't have the votes to pass. On Friday, the leadership returned with a reworked bill containing stricter provisions and $35 million in funding for states that send National Guard troops to the border on their own, putting the final price tag at $694 million.





The bill received significant opposition from Democrats, who criticized provisions such as changing a 2008 law so unaccompanied minors from countries other than Mexico or Canada could be deported more quickly. Democrats also said sending the National Guard to the border was unnecessary, and the funding was far too little to address the crisis. Democratic opposition was strong even before the GOP made changes to toughen the bill, and was nearly unanimous by Friday evening.

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Postby Sterngard Friegen » Fri Aug 01, 2014 9:13 pm

President Obama should call Congress back into session next week.Period.

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Postby esseff44 » Fri Aug 01, 2014 10:17 pm

It was clear from the speeches that the votes or bills had little to do with the border crisis and were meant as measure to put handcuffs on Obama. Michele Bachmann made very clear and graphic gestures as well as language that illustrated those desires. Every GOPer that spoke blamed Obama and the Dreamers as the reason for the children coming across the border and blamed them for putting those children in harm's way.It was a shameful display of ill-will and mean-spiritedness on the part of the Republicans. The second bill that was passed tonight was aimed directly at the president to keep him from using any executive powers to aid the Dreamers or any other undocumented person. I was supprised that 11 R's voted against the bill and also that 4 D's voted for it.I was concerned when DACA was issued which allowed the Dreamers to come forth and apply for the benefits under the deferred deportation policy (which was to serve until Congress could pass reform). I was worried what would happened if the policy were reversed and they would be exposed and ripe for deportation because they had trusted the government and the policy. The actions of the Republicans today showed how low they will go to hurt large numbers of vulnerable people just to make points trying to hurt our president in any way they can.Just before adjournment, a member asked for Bachmann's comment about handcuffing the president be stricken from the record but he didn't get anywhere. It was truly disgraceful and I hope there will be a stink about. Watch it if you get a chance.

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Postby gupwalla » Fri Aug 01, 2014 10:20 pm

This bill is DOA in the Senate - and everyone involved knows it.





The silver lining, such as it is, is that the GOP is destroying any hopes of building inroads amongst non-white* segments of the population. That's a generation of electoral doom, and the band-aid of state redistricting will not stave the tide for long.





It is becoming increasingly hard to - as the Chief Justice admonished us not to - paint the right with the broad brush of bigotry. G.O.P. Über Alles.





* and white folks like me - while generally lib/progressive, I used to sit down and evaluate candidates on a per-election basis and I've voted for some Republicans because the Democrat in the race was an idiot. But I can't justify that any more. Since Delay's iron fist, any vote for a Republican is a vote for their agenda, and their agenda is repulsive.





Gosh, that's the mother of all split infinitives.

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Postby Foggy » Sat Aug 02, 2014 5:51 am

President Obama should call Congress back into session next week.Period.

I'm going to disagree with :sterngard: this time, a rare occurrence.If he did, I think that:[*:ag49cp0x]It would accomplish nothing. If anything, the GOP RWNJs would be even more intransigent; and,[*:ag49cp0x]It would fire up the GOP base in advance of the election in November. I can just see the outrage on Fox News.I think he's better off mocking and dissing them. YMMV.
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Postby kate520 » Sat Aug 02, 2014 12:59 pm

That's a generation of electoral doom, and the band-aid of state redistricting will not stave the tide for long.

Gupwalla is, of course, correct. But I worry about their death throes. The thrashing and gnashing of shark's teeth can do a lot of damage before the death rattle.

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Postby June bug » Sat Aug 02, 2014 1:32 pm

That's a generation of electoral doom, and the band-aid of state redistricting will not stave the tide for long.

Gupwalla is, of course, correct. But I worry about their death throes. The thrashing and gnashing of shark's teeth can do a lot of damage before the death rattle.

:yeah: I worry about how far down the road toward a corporate theocracy we'll go before those death throes are over...and how much of our country and our world will have been ruined by then.

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Postby SueDB » Sat Aug 02, 2014 1:36 pm

How do we mitigate the effects in the meantime???
You can follow the action, which gets you good pictures.
You can follow your instincts, which'll probably get you in trouble.
Or... you can follow the money - The Two Jakes -

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Postby TexasFilly » Sat Aug 02, 2014 1:52 pm

The DNC should be running ads right now and hammering the Goopers.

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Postby June bug » Sat Aug 02, 2014 2:33 pm

The Democrats need a unified message and they need the discipline to pound away at it as their hammer, Filly. In the almost 6 years since Obama was elected, they've never managed to have both at the same time; in fact, I don't think they've ever managed to have either. Democrats don't define what they're doing or what they want to do; they let the other side do that. Democrats don't hammer anything home consistently; they let the other side do that. Say what you will, the Republicans have message discipline that we can't seem to get anywhere near. Make fun of their obsessions all you want to but, like water on stone, eventually it's effective at least in firing up their base and apparently depressing ours. Read: Obamacare, Benghazi, IRS, Obamacare, Border Control, Benghazi, IRS, Obamacare, etc., etc., etc. Whereas the Democrats seem to have an issue-attention span shorter than that of a flea. Why haven't they been out there everywhere and constantly with ads showing Republican obstructionism that began before Day 1 and continued through and beyond the government shutdown? Why haven't they hammered home a really strong and factual economic message - that Democratic action saved us from falling off a cliff and Republican tactics have hurt the recovery?And I have to say I place a fair amount of blame on President Obama. He has a responsibility to the country and the party to get the message out, and keep people on message, whatever that takes. Yet, temperamentally he appears to be cool to the point of indifference toward "mixing it up", and he's never developed much of a relationship with Congressional Democrats as a whole, so he has little or no influence in shaping any messaging effort other than his own.

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Postby Addie » Sat Aug 02, 2014 2:39 pm

[link]New York Times,http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/02/opinion/congress-unhinged-on-immigration.html[/link] Editorial: Congress, Unhinged on Immigration
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Postby pjhimself » Sat Aug 02, 2014 2:41 pm

President Obama should call Congress back into session next week.Period.

Of course, the time has passed for him to do such a thing, if he were so inclined.He should have called out both houses (and "leaders") before the "vacation".He should have set a meeting of the "leaders" to develop a plan for legislation to be rendered by a date certain.Of course, that's not the way our partisan world works these day - BOTH SIDES.......Ah we'll....

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Postby Skip Intro » Sat Aug 02, 2014 2:42 pm

The DNC should be running ads right now and hammering the Goopers.

It really makes you wonder who's running things at the DNC these days. Apparently no one. I guess we'll have a long time to speculate over what the DNC should have done after the GOP takes over the Senate this Fall.

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Postby realist » Sat Aug 02, 2014 3:01 pm

The Democrats need a unified message and they need the discipline to pound away at it as their hammer, Filly. In the almost 6 years since Obama was elected, they've never managed to have both at the same time; in fact, I don't think they've ever managed to have either. Democrats don't define what they're doing or what they want to do; they let the other side do that. Democrats don't hammer anything home consistently; they let the other side do that. Say what you will, the Republicans have message discipline that we can't seem to get anywhere near. Make fun of their obsessions all you want to but, like water on stone, eventually it's effective at least in firing up their base and apparently depressing ours. Read: Obamacare, Benghazi, IRS, Obamacare, Border Control, Benghazi, IRS, Obamacare, etc., etc., etc. Whereas the Democrats seem to have an issue-attention span shorter than that of a flea. Why haven't they been out there everywhere and constantly with ads showing Republican obstructionism that began before Day 1 and continued through and beyond the government shutdown? Why haven't they hammered home a really strong and factual economic message - that Democratic action saved us from falling off a cliff and Republican tactics have hurt the recovery?And I have to say I place a fair amount of blame on President Obama. He has a responsibility to the country and the party to get the message out, and keep people on message, whatever that takes. Yet, temperamentally he appears to be cool to the point of indifference toward "mixing it up", and he's never developed much of a relationship with Congressional Democrats as a whole, so he has little or no influence in shaping any messaging effort other than his own.

Well said, June Bug.

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Postby Chilidog » Sat Aug 02, 2014 3:17 pm

President Obama should call Congress back into session next week.Period.

Of course, the time has passed for him to do such a thing, if he were so inclined.He should have called out both houses (and "leaders") before the "vacation".He should have set a meeting of the "leaders" to develop a plan for legislation to be rendered by a date certain.Of course, that's not the way our partisan world works these day - BOTH SIDES.......Ah we'll....

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Postby Sterngard Friegen » Sat Aug 02, 2014 4:30 pm

The only time Congress gets anything done is when its members are taken away from their first responsibilities -- vacations, raising money and getting re-elected.President Obama should call them back in a week and demand they pass legislation to deal with the humanitarian disaster at our borders. (And maybe throw in the highway bill and something else as well.) Let Congress refuse to do so.Let's hope Congress acts responsibly. If not, it gives the President cover to do it himself. And, coincidentally, it's a perfect campaign issue.But he and his party are just too wimpy to do that.Truman made a do-nothing Congress his campaign theme when he defeated Dewey in 1948. (I remember it well.)


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