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 Post subject: 2012: North Carolina
PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:37 am 
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Obama at a high in North Carolina ...

Obama now leads Romney by 5 points in North Carolina, 49-44. That's the largest lead we've found for him in monthly polling dating back to November of 2010. Obama has a 51-38 advantage with independents and is particularly strong with women (54-39), African Americans (90-7), voters under 30 (61-33), and folks in the Triangle (60-33).

The Republican nomination process has taken a huge toll on Romney's image in North Carolina. In February of 2011 voters in the state were almost evenly divided on him with 37% rating him favorably to 39% who had a negative opinion of him. Now that spread is a dreadful 29/58. His numbers with GOP voters are about where they've been, but he's seen a considerable drop in his appeal to Democrats and independents.

He was actually popular with independents at 45/36 last winter, now he is incredibly unpopular at 25/62. And what was once a decent amount of crossover appeal to Democrats with 23% seeing him favorably to 52% with a negative opinion is now a 12/77 spread. Romney may see some improvement in his numbers as conservative leaning voters start to unify around him, but for now they're pretty dreadful.
Obama's rise isn't completely because of Romney's unpopularity though. He's becoming stronger in his own right. 49% of North Carolinians say they approve of the job he's doing to 48% who disapprove. This is the first time since last June that he's been on positive ground in the state. Obama's numbers with Democrats and Republicans are about where they always are, but with independents he has majority approval at 52/42.

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 Post subject: 2012: North Carolina
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 Post subject: 2012: North Carolina
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North Carolina remains competitive for both candidates. Many Republicans probably believe 2008 was an aberration for NC, just like Virginia. The last three Democratic presidential candidates to win NC were Obama (2008), Carter (1976) and Johnson (1964). Pres Obama appears to have a better chance of winning VA in 2012 than NC though both are possible.
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 Post subject: 2012: North Carolina
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PPP is accurate, mostly.

My state voted in an anti-gay-marriage amendment, 61% to 39%.


Shameful. ?( :|

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 Post subject: 2012: North Carolina
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Anomalies From the North Carolina Presidential Primary:

No Preference won the Libertarian nomination by a landslide, crushing the opposition by earning more votes than all six of the actual Earthlings in the race put together. I got a feelin' these were Ron Paul fans who were registered Libertarian and couldn't vote in the Republican primary.

No Preference also did extremely well on the Democratic ticket, scoring 20.8% of the vote.
One in five Democrats refused to vote for the president. :shock: ?(
It's almost as bad as votes for Keith Judd.

The Republicans
Rmoney also crushed his opposition with more votes than all others put together.

100,661 voted for Senator Frothy Mix. He quit already. Good to stick to your principles, though ... :-
73,859 voted for Newtie. He quit already, too.
50,318 voted for No Preference. The spineless jello people.
224,838 total wasted votes. Almost one in four votes.

634,718 voted for Rmoney.
107,087 voted for Ron Paul.
741,805 voted for one of the two actual remaining candidates.
966,643 total votes for Republican candidates.

Of the votes for actual remaining candidates, Ron Paul got 14.4%. Of the total vote, he got 11%.

Of the total votes for Republicans, only 65.7% could bring themselves to vote for Rmoney. This is an indicator that turnout could be low in November.

Total Republican votes: 966,643
Total Democratic votes: 958,418 ◄-- Good showing with no presidential race to spur turnout, but 20.8% anti-Obama is scary
Total Libertarian votes: 8,225 ◄-- :oops: ?(

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 Post subject: 2012: North Carolina
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Foggy wrote:
PPP is accurate, mostly.

My state voted in an anti-gay-marriage amendment, 61% to 39%.


Shameful. ?( :|


Yeabut you can still marry your first cousin in NC, so all is not lost.

But ya can't marry your "double cousin", whatever that is.

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 Post subject: 2012: North Carolina
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Yeabut you can still marry your first cousin in NC, so all is not lost.

But ya can't marry your "double cousin", whatever that is.
That's her twin sister. If your cousins are twins, you gotta marry the right one, 'cuz you can't marry the double too also. ;;)

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 Post subject: 2012: North Carolina
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Foggy wrote:
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Yeabut you can still marry your first cousin in NC, so all is not lost.

But ya can't marry your "double cousin", whatever that is.
That's her twin sister. If your cousins are twins, you gotta marry the right one, 'cuz you can't marry the double too also. ;;)


We gots some double cousins in my fambly tree. Don't need to be twins. 2 siblings marry 2 siblings from another family. Makes holidays easier to figure out.

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 Post subject: 2012: North Carolina
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Marrying your double first cousin would mean you would have the set of grandparents as your spouse. You spouse is your first cousin on your mother's side and your father's side.

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 Post subject: 2012: North Carolina
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Where I live is an enclave of sophisticated, highly educated upper middle class suburban snotnose weenies. About 35 homes on my cul-de-sac, one guy was born in North Carolina. The rest are all transplanted Yankees. Nobody marries their cousin around here. I think that happens in the more, umm ... rural areas of the state. [-( :^o



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 Post subject: 2012: North Carolina
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Once a bright spot for President Barack Obama, North Carolina is now more like a political migraine less than four months before Democrats open the party's national convention in Charlotte.

The causes are plenty.

Labor unions, a core Democratic constituency, are up in arms. Democratic Gov. Bev Perdue isn't running for re-election; Democrats say she was likely to lose. The state Democratic Party is in disarray over an explosive sexual harassment scandal. Voters recently approved amending the state constitution to ban gay marriage, a position that runs counter to Obama's. And unemployment in the state remains persistently high.

"Nobody can sugarcoat the fact that we got problems here," said Gary Pearce, a former Democratic consultant who was an adviser to former Democratic Gov. Jim Hunt. Pearce was referring specifically to state party woes but could have been talking about any of the troubles here for Democrats.

But, he added: "I think the greatest strength that the party has is President Obama. And he's the thing that people will rally around."


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Thought I don't live in NC anymore, from what I'm reading, I think the backlash wave of 2010 hasn't run its course and the state Democrats are going to get pounded again.

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 Post subject: 2012: North Carolina
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I wish I could say you were wrong, MGV. I think Obama will barely carry the state, but without so-called coattails.

Do you read BlueNC?

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 Post subject: 2012: North Carolina
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Pres Obama has several pathways to 270EVs that don't include North Carolina. Rmoney has very few. I suspect the President's campaign team considers carrying NC an easier path to 270EVs. I also suspect Rmoney's campaign team considers NC damned near critical.

Should Obama carry NC, Rmoney gets close to needing every remaining "Toss Up" state go his way. Those odds sound like betting all-in on an inside straight draw.

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 Post subject: 2012: North Carolina
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Foggy wrote:
I wish I could say you were wrong, MGV. I think Obama will barely carry the state, but without so-called coattails.

Do you read BlueNC?


No I don't read BlueNC. Will check it out.

I think the bigger issue to me would be the governor's race because the Republicans have the legislature. A Democratic governor is pretty much the only thing standing between North Carolina and what other Republican dominated governments have done with regards to gutting education spending and so on.

Obama carrying NC isn't critical to his winning re-election.

It'd only really be critical with regards to the media narrative about what type of endorsement he has to carry out his policies in his second term.


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 Post subject: 2012: North Carolina
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Egads, the attack ads have started already. Based on things not even remotely related to reality.

It's gonna be a long, vomit-inducing six months.


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 Post subject: 2012: North Carolina
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OMFG, DONALD TRUMP IS HEADLINING THE N.C. GOP CONVENTION THIS COMING FRIDAY, JUNE 1!!

Woot!

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 Post subject: 2012: North Carolina
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North Carolina appears to be a red state that went for Obama in 2008. Just like Indiana it could happen again, it's just not looking probable at present.
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 Post subject: 2012: North Carolina
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Foggy wrote:
PPP is accurate, mostly.

My state voted in an anti-gay-marriage amendment, 61% to 39%.

Shameful. ?( :|

It's a shame North Carolina is not more like that liberal state out west on this issue.
Public Policy Polling wrote:
President Obama won’t be seeing any backlash in [redacted] for his recent declaration of support for gay marriage. 77% of [redacted] voters believe gay couples should either be allowed to marry or form civil unions. And support isn’t just limited to liberal voters—in addition to 94% support from Democrats, 63% of Republicans and 83% of independents back gay marriages or civil unions.

79% of Hispanics support either gay marriages or civil unions, putting to rest theories suggesting Obama would lose support from the mostly Catholic demographic for his new stance on gay marriage. In addition, 85% of the other racial minorities which make up about 11% of the electorate support either marriage rights or civil unions for gay couples.

Think you know what state PPP is referring to?

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 Post subject: 2012: North Carolina
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Joseph Robidoux III wrote:

If you take out the Rasmussen poll, which is far different from the other polls, Rmoney's lead shrinks to being within the margin of error. If RCP did not include Rasmussen polls I would take it far more seriously.

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 Post subject: 2012: North Carolina
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My comment about North Carolina possibly slipping away from Pres Obama was not based primarily on the Real Clear Politics poll. I see March and April polls that except for Rasmussen all showed Obama with a lead, a slight lead but a lead none the less. All the May polls except for PPP show Rmoney with a lead, a slight lead but a lead none the less.

Future polls may show if NC voters are coalescing on a single issue. The recent NC Amendment 1 vote is not encouraging.

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 Post subject: 2012: North Carolina
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Rmoney still leads (barely) in all but one recent poll published on RCP but the good news is that Pres Obama may have weathered the anti-gay marriage storm. I expect Republicans to attempt to make gay marriage a major reason for NC voters to support Rmoney over Obama this fall (Missouri Republicans have acted similar for 30+ years). The Amendment 1 results have to appear very inviting for the Rmoney campaign.

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North Carolina gets moved back from Leans Rmoney to Toss Up.


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 Post subject: Re: 2012: North Carolina
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Joseph Robidoux III, I know we haven't agreed a lot but I'd just like to thank you for keeping an eye on these polls for us. Its really useful to be tracking all of these. Many thanks.

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You're welcome Suranis.

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Joseph Robidoux III wrote:
I expect Republicans to attempt to make gay marriage a major reason for NC voters to support Rmoney over Obama this fall ... The Amendment 1 results have to appear very inviting for the Rmoney campaign.
I think the Amendment One results are misleading. I think they'll be making a mistake to bank on them. We'll see.

The Republicans I know here are much more upset by the Supreme Court ruling on ACA. The real homophobes feel safe now: It's a constitutional amendment, and they're convinced NC will never have gay marriage (I attended a gay wedding commitment ceremony here in '08, but whatever). It's going to be hard to get anyone excited about the possibility that a federal law might overturn Amendment One. Can they scare people into thinking Obama will pass a federal gay marriage law? Doubtful.

But the Republicans I know here are far out of the mainstream.

I like our chances. It's still only the end of June. Four months to go.

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 Post subject: 2012: North Carolina
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I must be in a down cycle, 'cause after the A1 vote and disgustingly pitiful turn out of people who understand how rights work, I see a patty in the governor's office and a legislature so loaded with world-class stupid that it may be time to move. To Belize.


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