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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 3:14 am 
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From the Maddowblog:

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In a nutshell, the story is that the Michigan Constitution requires that bills wait until the end of the session -- essentially, the end of the calendar year -- plus 90 days before becoming law. You can, however, put a bill into effect immediately, provided you have a two-thirds majority in both chambers. Republicans have that super-majority in the Senate, but not in the House. Yet they appear to have given nearly every bill since they took over in January 2010 immediate effect.

Michigan Republicans have applied immediate effect even to legislation Democrats have opposed in a block, from taking away domestic partner benefits to blocking the expansion of union rights to the souped-up emergency manager law that lets the state replace elected officials with managers who have unilateral control. As you can see in the clip above, the Republican speaker calls for a rising vote, waits a blink, and then gavels in his party's super-majority.

Michigan Democrats have begun using their numbers to demand a record roll call vote, as a means of trying to make Republicans prove they have the super-majorities they claim to have. They say Republicans are denying them roll call votes, and last week, they sued the House (and specifically Republican House leadership) over it. On Monday, a county judge ruled for the Democrats. Issuing a temporary injunction, he ordered the House leadership to grant the roll call votes; he also put on hold several recent bills passed improperly.


(Maddowblog also has links to the court documents.)

From NPR:

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The Michigan Court of Appeals may rule today in a dispute about how State House Republicans are passing bills...

Ari Adler is a spokesman for State House Speaker Jase Bolger. He says it’s the judge who’s overstepping his constitutional authority by interfering with the internal rules of the legislature.

“It is not a question of constitutionality of what we’ve done because the (Michigan) constitution clearly says you need two/thirds…it does not indicate how the House will operate day-to-day…that falls to House rules," Adler says, noting also that Democrats have often used the same legislative maneuver when they’ve been in the majority.


On the one hand, I'm shocked and appalled. On the other, I'm intrigued. When the legislature ignores the Constitution, what's the proper recourse? The rules can't negate the Constitution, but the Republican leadership is saying the Court doesn't have jurisdiction. Of course they say that -- do they believe it?

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 3:25 am 
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Hmm, without really diving into this I'd have to say that the Michigan courts might not have jurisdiction to order the legislature to follow or amend its own rules of procedure.

That would depend on what the Michigan Constitution says I suppose.

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Hmm, without really diving into this I'd have to say that the Michigan courts might not have jurisdiction to order the legislature to follow or amend its own rules of procedure.

That would depend on what the Michigan Constitution says I suppose.


Apparently, the Constitution says 2/3 majority is need to implement the law immediately, but the rules say immediate effect motions are to be made orally, and votes on those motions are to be made by rising votes (standing up) rather than roll call votes. The journal only records that a 2/3 majority was achieved, not the actual number of members who rose. From the example video, the Presiding Officer doesn't even have time to count. The Democrats are claiming that they vote as a block thus 2/3 majority isn't possible. (Most votes are 63ish to 47ish, 2/3 is 74.)

Seems they've always done it this way in Michigan, but Republicans can't count.

Hypothetically, if one party refuses to count the votes of the other party at all, is there any recourse? What about the US Congress?

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I can't see how the operations of the Michigan legislature would invoke any provision of the US Constitution, at least not in this case.

If they weren't counting votes of the black representatives only, then maybe there's a civil rights claim. But screwing with the rules to shut out the other team is what legislatures do. That's politics.

The Dems can take this to the Michigan Supremes, but I don't see the Federal question. But then again, I've been lazy and haven't worked to hard at lookin'.

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Whatever4 wrote:
On the one hand, I'm shocked and appalled. On the other, I'm intrigued. When the legislature ignores the Constitution, what's the proper recourse? The rules can't negate the Constitution, but the Republican leadership is saying the Court doesn't have jurisdiction. Of course they say that -- do they believe it?


The Republican majority is essentially making a separation of powers argument. Incidentally, such an argument would almost certainly prevail at the federal level. I am not sure of how it works in Michigan, but I would be surprised if this does not raise separation of powers issues in any jurisdiction for a court to attempt to enforce a state legislature's own rules.

The proponent of a separation of powers argument like this (i.e. that a court lacks the constitutional authority under the Michigan Constitution to enforce the rules of the legislative branch) would argue that the proper remedy is available at the ballot box, that is, throw the bums out.

I also have to wonder whether the Democratic minority truly has doubts about the super-majority or if they are just using procedural rules to slow things down. The higher appeals courts may take account of the prudence of interfering in legislative business, even if they have the power to do so, especially if to do so would not actually change any outcomes.

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