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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 3:44 pm 
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Oakland police said there were "multiple fatalities" after a gunman opened fire at an Oakland religious nursing college.

Officials at a news conference said the gunman came into the college and fired multiple shots just after 10 a.m. They did not say how many people were hit.

Officials said they don't know if the gunman is inside the campus or fled the scene. SWAT officials were still evacuating students, according to Officer Joanna Watson.

Oakland police announced that the suspect is an Asian man with a heavy build and wearing khaki clothing. Officials also urged the public to avoid the area.

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elsewhere I read five dead.

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Is the LATimes behind a paywall now?

Edit: Yes. 1st month is .99. After that it's $3.99/week. That paper hasn't been right since Otis left.


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It seems they have arrested a suspect.

Cue the "If students and faculty could carry guns" chatter in three, two, one...


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The guy is in custody


Officials: 6 dead in Christian school shooting

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Pastor Jong Kim, who founded the school about 10 years ago, told the Oakland Tribune that the shooter was a nursing student who was no longer enrolled. He did not know if the shooter was expelled or dropped out.


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Kim said he heard about 30 rapid-fire gunshots in the building.


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The injured woman said the shooter was a man in her nursing class who got up and shot one person at point-blank range in the chest before spraying the room with bullets, Johnson said.

"She said he looked crazy all the time," she said the victim told her, "but they never knew how far he would go."


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Updated to 7 dead.

Oikos is a pretty odd school, IMO. Nursing, theology, music and language.

Edit: In Korean.


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DaveMuckey wrote:
Is the LATimes behind a paywall now?

Edit: Yes. 1st month is .99. After that it's $3.99/week. That paper hasn't been right since Otis left.


It's not under a paywall for me, and I haven't been a subscriber since they let my Dad go in the DriveBy Reorganization right after the HerEx went bust sometime in the late 80's. Wonder if it's geographic proximity?

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It's not your regular University is for sure. It looks like it's in an office building/ office park near the Oakland Coliseum and Oakland Airport. Located close to BART?


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DaveMuckey wrote:
Is the LATimes behind a paywall now?

Edit: Yes. 1st month is .99. After that it's $3.99/week. That paper hasn't been right since Otis left.


It's not under a paywall for me, and I haven't been a subscriber since they let my Dad go in the DriveBy Reorganization right after the HerEx went bust sometime in the late 80's. Wonder if it's geographic proximity?


It's not paywalled for me, either, way out here in Virginia.

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kate520 wrote:
DaveMuckey wrote:
Is the LATimes behind a paywall now?
Edit: Yes. 1st month is .99. After that it's $3.99/week. That paper hasn't been right since Otis left.

It's not under a paywall for me, and I haven't been a subscriber since they let my Dad go in the DriveBy Reorganization right after the HerEx went bust sometime in the late 80's. Wonder if it's geographic proximity?

It's not paywalled for me, either, way out here in Virginia.

It's not paywalled for me either.

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Muck,you need to have a little chat with the Times, it seems. :-?

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Muck,you need to have a little chat with the Times, it seems. :-?


Boy, I guess.


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kate520 wrote:
DaveMuckey wrote:
Is the LATimes behind a paywall now?
Edit: Yes. 1st month is .99. After that it's $3.99/week. That paper hasn't been right since Otis left.

It's not under a paywall for me, and I haven't been a subscriber since they let my Dad go in the DriveBy Reorganization right after the HerEx went bust sometime in the late 80's. Wonder if it's geographic proximity?

It's not paywalled for me, either, way out here in Virginia.


It's not completely paywalled - there is a monthly limit of (I believe) 15 stories.

I couldn't identify the cookie it uses to enforce the limit, but if you use for example Firefox and "Start Private Browsing" you can get in. But that would be wrong.


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:D thanks. :-$

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The Boston Globe has an accounting of college and university multiple murders since 1990. It does not include murders in K-12 schools or the Oakland murders.

CA Campus Shooting: Rare event, common pattern by James Alan Fox. He is an eminent scholar in this field, The Lipman Family Professor of Criminology, Law and Public Policy at Northeastern University, Boston.

His observation is that many of the cases involve graduate or professional students or ex-students. The number of such murders is disproportionate: undergraduates are the vast majority of college and university students.
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Unlike undergraduates, students in graduate and professional programs often lack balance in their personal lives, narrowly focusing on academic work and training to the exclusion of other interests and other people in their lives. They often spend long hours in the library or lab, while ignoring or abandoning their marriages, friendships and hobbies.

Many of these advanced students, who had been at the top of their class in high school and college, come to find themselves struggling to get by with just passing grades. At a point in life where they are longer supported financially by parents, many experience great pressure to juggle employment with coursework and thesis research, with little time left over for attending to social networks. At some point, their entire lifestyle and sense of worth may revolve around academic achievement. Moreover, their personal investment in reaching a successful outcome can be viewed as a virtual life-or-death matter.

This do-or-die perception can be intensified for foreign graduate students from certain cultures where failure is seen as shame on the entire family. Foreign students also experience additional pressures because the academic visas allowing them to remain in this country are often dependent upon their continued student status.

Even if emerging facts confirm that today's shooter at Oakland's Oikos University does indeed fit the mold, this does not mean that such behavior would have been foreseeable. One fact is indisputable, rare events can never be anticipated, not matter how ominous the circumstances. The best we can do is to continue efforts to keep concealed weapons as far away from college campuses as possible.

Some undergraduate colleges cultivate the same highly achievement-driven climate that Fox cites in tertiary schools. However, none of the schools known for that undergraduate climate appears in Fox's history.

It may be that exclusion is a more important factor than is the "do-or-die" mentality. Indeed, Fox begins by noting the constrained lives that tertiary students often live. I cannot speak to anything but graduate schools (not professional schools), but in my experience graduate students tend to be helpful to each other, just as do many undergraduate students. However, some students always are left out, perhaps because of their own choice or perhaps because other students want nothing to do with them. It is possible that we could better monitor that situation.

It would be interesting for Fox to extend his chart to include all mass murders committed by students, whether or not on the campus. It would be a much larger list with many more deaths. Jared Loughner's murders would be in the chart. For social action, it may matter less whether the student murdered other students or whether the student fits the pattern of isolation that I suspect is there.

I wish that I thought that preventing the concealed carry of weapons on college campuses would make the difference. I doubt that it would. In fact, I am not sure that any of the murders in his chart were committed using concealed carry weapons. It's not the best that we can do. The best is to attend to our students more carefully and care-fully than we do today.

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but in my experience graduate students tend to be helpful to each other, just as do many undergraduate students

You've never been in organic chemistry lab with pre-meds!


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You've never been in organic chemistry lab with pre-meds!

Actually, I have been there. Also the old course Quantitative Chemical Analysis. Both in chemistry and in the ancient but once-required course Comparative Vertebrate Anatomy, I saw much cheating and deliberate interference with samples or specimens. The "practical" exams in the biology course involved answering a question based upon visual inspection of a portion of a specimen, usually demarcated by a pin stuck in the relevant place. It was more than a habit for pre-med students to move the pin once they had answered the question. Several times I asked the teaching assistant to determine if the specimen had been tampered with. A lot of the time anybody who had learned enough could see what was being asked about without benefit of the pin.

Those were the days when money-grubbing students thought that medicine was their path to wealth. Few of them had any interest in medicine, much less in patients. Although I graduated with a pre-med degree and with offers from medical schools of scholarships, I decided that I did not want to spend my life among such people.

I have no idea if such cheating occurs in pre-med labs and practicals today. My impression is that the money-grubbers have gone elsewhere than medicine. I also suspect that the worst of the cheaters in my cohort did not make it into medicine. My impression is that they were not very good students and were unlikely to do well on such tests as the MCAT. If they got in, I bet that their clinical rounds, internships and residencies were hell for them and their patients.

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