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It is time to put aside Pope Benedict and the news of his resignation. This is a new thread for discussion of the new Pope, his background and beliefs, his accomplishments and failures, and his potential to change his church.

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He already has a renamed Wiki: Pope Francis

I've never actually been on a Wiki when a name was changed. Them folks are quick.


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Nice for the Americas =D>

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He already has a renamed Wiki: Pope Francis

I've never actually been on a Wiki when a name was changed. Them folks are quick.

Per Vatican Radio, the name is after Francis Xavier, co-founder of the Jesuits.

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DaveMuckey wrote:
He already has a renamed Wiki: Pope Francis

I've never actually been on a Wiki when a name was changed. Them folks are quick.


I've certainly been there to see a death date added. The only time I was able to add one myself it was someone I knew.

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He already has a renamed Wiki: Pope Francis

I've never actually been on a Wiki when a name was changed. Them folks are quick.

Per Vatican Radio, the name is after Francis Xavier, co-founder of the Jesuits.


Then we don't have anything in common ...

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Well if this is anything to go by

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Bergoglio has supported the social justice ethos of Latin American Catholicism, including a robust defense of the poor. “We live in the most unequal part of the world, which has grown the most yet reduced misery the least,” Bergoglio said during a gathering of Latin American bishops in 2007. “The unjust distribution of goods persists, creating a situation of social sin that cries out to Heaven and limits the possibilities of a fuller life for so many of our brothers.”


His first order of business should be ex-communicating Paul Ryan.

Via Sully here

http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2013/03/ ... um=twitter

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Remember when Michele Bachmann was the Papal front runner after winning be Iowa Conclave?

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If his papacy is devoted towards the social justice ministry of the church, he will have done a great thing. Until there is evidence to the contrary, I am going to assume that he also has a trained mind and is superb at argumentation and critical thinking. And maybe he'll think once in a while of that earlier Francis.

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The new pope, Jorge Mario Bergoglio, now Francis I, was runner-up in 2005 conclave. The National Catholic Reporter profiled Bergoglio at the start of the month:

After the dust settled from the election of Benedict XVI, various reports identified the Argentine Jesuit as the main challenger to then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger. One cardinal later said the conclave had been "something of a horse race" between Ratzinger and Bergoglio, and an anonymous conclave diary splashed across the Italian media in September 2005 claimed that Bergoglio received 40 votes on the third ballot, just before Ratzinger crossed the two-thirds threshold and became pope.

Though it's hard to say how seriously one should take the specifics, the general consensus is that Bergoglio was indeed the "runner-up" last time around. He appealed to conservatives in the College of Cardinals as a man who had held the line against liberalizing currents among the Jesuits, and to moderates as a symbol of the church's commitment to the developing world.

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npr profile:

http://ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-today/pa ... be-pope-13

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"We live in the most unequal part of the world, which has grown the most yet reduced misery the least," Bergoglio said during a gathering of Latin American bishops in 2007. "The unjust distribution of goods persists, creating a situation of social sin that cries out to Heaven and limits the possibilities of a fuller life for so many of our brothers."

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That other link said he was in favor of contraception to avoid disease. the npr profile doesn't indicate that.

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Bergoglio is seen an unwaveringly orthodox on matters of sexual morality, staunchly opposing abortion, same-sex marriage, and contraception. In 2010 he asserted that gay adoption is a form of discrimination against children, earning a public rebuke from Argentina's President, Cristina Fernández de Kirchner.

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My initial feeling is that the choice is about as good as could reasonably be hoped for, but not nearly as good as many people have hoped for, or might be needed.

I would be surprised if there's not a greater focus on social justice in a broad sense. I'm not hopeful as far as change on issues related to women or to the LGBT community.

At the same time, it's probably important to keep in mind the Jesuit tendency toward ruthless pragmatism.

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In 2008 the Roman Catholic Church identified seven new "mortal sins."

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Environmental pollution
Genetic manipulation
Accumulating excessive wealth
Inflicting poverty
Drug trafficking and consumption
Morally debatable experiments
Violation of fundamental rights of human nature


If Francis I works on just two or three of these, it will be fine by me.

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My initial feeling is that the choice is about as good as could reasonably be hoped for, but not nearly as good as many people have hoped for, or might be needed.

I would be surprised if there's not a greater focus on social justice in a broad sense. I'm not hopeful as far as change on issues related to women or to the LGBT community.

At the same time, it's probably important to keep in mind the Jesuit tendency toward ruthless pragmatism.


Me, too. I am not displeased.

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I'm somewhat encouraged that he's from South America where the liberation theology movement is popular. Even if he's very conservative he would still have had to make some moves towards addressing economic inequality and social injustice.


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At the same time, it's probably important to keep in mind the Jesuit tendency toward ruthless pragmatism.


That's why I like them.

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Has Strunck: in esse filed suit against Francis I yet?

The banning of the Jesuits is a matter of process that must start based upon existing law.

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Today the first pope from the Americas, Cardinal Juan Bergoglio of Argentina was elected by the conclave of the cardinals to be the next pope. He is the first non-European pope in the history of Catholicism and the first pope from the Western Hemisphere.
Aside from being a remarkable person in his own right, Bergoglio, who will go by Francis the 1st, in memory of St. Francis of Asissi, will be a formidable force standing in the way of the proliferation of the Socialism and Communism.
If you recall, Pope John Paul the second, who came from the Communist Poland, was the lifeline, the breathe of fresh air and a strong force for reforms, towards democratization and freedoms in the Eastern Europe.
Today we are seeing an attack of the Socialist regimes. Castro and Chavez regimes made a mockery of the civil rights and free press and any sensible economy in Cuba nad Venezuela. Under Dilma Rousseff in Brazil and Christina Fernandez Kirchner in Argentina, both of the most populated South American countries are going towards the socialism. Obama, of course is preaching the distribution of wealth, ransacked the treasury and softening and prepping the U.S. economy to the complete bankruptcy through insane spending and to subsequent socialist or communist takeover. the press in the U.S. is as free as Stalinist Pravda.
Bergoglio, who is known as the people’s cardinal, who gave up his private automobile for public transportation, who cooks his own meals, is known as a people’s cardinal and has a huge following.
It will be an interesting time, to see possible realignment of forces in the aftermath of passing of Chavez and election of Bergoglio, Francis the 1st, as the next pope.
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First Holy Tweet from Pope Francis:

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Quizás peco de humildad al decir que soy un simple representante de Dios en La Tierra al igual que Dios lo es de mí en El Cielo.

— Jorge M Bergoglio (@JMBergoglio) March 13, 2013


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The tweet, vis Google Translate, reads:

“Maybe sin of humility to say I’m just a representative of God on earth as God is with me in Heaven.”


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Today the first pope from the Americas, Cardinal Juan Bergoglio of Argentina was elected by the conclave of the cardinals to be the next pope. He is the first non-European pope in the history of Catholicism and the first pope from the Western Hemisphere.
Aside from being a remarkable person in his own right, Bergoglio, who will go by Francis the 1st, in memory of St. Francis of Asissi, will be a formidable force standing in the way of the proliferation of the Socialism and Communism.
If you recall, Pope John Paul the second, who came from the Communist Poland, was the lifeline, the breathe of fresh air and a strong force for reforms, towards democratization and freedoms in the Eastern Europe.
Today we are seeing an attack of the Socialist regimes. Castro and Chavez regimes made a mockery of the civil rights and free press and any sensible economy in Cuba nad Venezuela. Under Dilma Rousseff in Brazil and Christina Fernandez Kirchner in Argentina, both of the most populated South American countries are going towards the socialism. Obama, of course is preaching the distribution of wealth, ransacked the treasury and softening and prepping the U.S. economy to the complete bankruptcy through insane spending and to subsequent socialist or communist takeover. the press in the U.S. is as free as Stalinist Pravda.
Bergoglio, who is known as the people’s cardinal, who gave up his private automobile for public transportation, who cooks his own meals, is known as a people’s cardinal and has a huge following.
It will be an interesting time, to see possible realignment of forces in the aftermath of passing of Chavez and election of Bergoglio, Francis the 1st, as the next pope.
by Dr. Orly Taitz


She really doesn't understand the liberation theology and social justice movements does she? I'd think that someone who grew up in Soviet Russia would understand what is meant by someone being called "the people's cardinal". It's likely that racist Moldovan millionaires who are using their money and influence to try overturn the people's choice for president aren't among his top ten most favorite things.


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Taitz gets just a few things wrong, Sternsigging a post about Pope Francis, I, S.J.

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I think her tiny little brain will asplode when one of the first things he does is meet with Obama.

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...Bergoglio, who will go by Francis the 1st, in memory of St. Francis of Asissi,...


She didn't even bother with basic research. A few seconds reading shows Bergoglio is a Jesuit. Why would one think he took the name Francis to honor Francis of Assisi, who started the Franciscan order, when Francis Xavier was one of the first Jesuits, and its first missionary? She is a moron!

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