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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 12:13 pm 
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WTF is going on in AZ. These people are fucking nutz!

Legislation to make it illegal to use “offensive” language online

And what is "offensive"? Pretty much whatever some nut in AZ decides it is.

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The state legislature of Arizona has passed a bill that vastly broadens telephone harassment laws and applies them to the Internet and other means of electronic communication.

The law, which is being pushed under the guise of an anti-bullying campaign, would mean that anything communicated or published online that was deemed to be “offensive” by the state, including editorials, illustrations, and even satire could be criminally punished.

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“H.B. 2549 would make it a crime to use any electronic or digital device to communicate using obscene, lewd or profane language or to suggest a lewd or lascivious act if done with intent to ‘annoy,’ ‘offend,’ ‘harass’ or ‘terrify,’” the letter notes. … ‘Lewd’ and ‘profane’ are not defined in the statute or by reference. ‘Lewd’ is generally understood to mean lusty or sexual in nature and ‘profane’ is generally defined as disrespectful or irreverent about religion or religious practices.”

“H.B. 2549 is not limited to a one to one conversation between two specific people. The communication does not need to be repetitive or even unwanted. There is no requirement that the recipient or subject of the speech actually feel offended, annoyed or scared. Nor does the legislation make clear that the communication must be intended to offend or annoy the reader, the subject or even any specific person.” the letter continues.


Much more at the link.

Hopefully, Gov. Brewer would never sign such a bill into law, but this is pretty scary stuff first, that anyone would propose it, and even more so that anyone would approve it.

I've not yet read the bill, but if the article is even close to accurate, it's unbelievable.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 12:31 pm 
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The bill is here. The measure seems to have cross-party support (30-0 vote in the Senate) and the key part is :

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13-2916. Use of an electronic or digital device to terrify,
5 intimidate, threaten, harass, annoy or offend;
6 classification; definition
7 A. It is unlawful for any person, with intent to terrify, intimidate,
8 threaten, harass, annoy or offend, to usea telephone ANY ELECTRONIC OR
9 DIGITAL DEVICE and use any obscene, lewd or profane language or suggest any
10 lewd or lascivious act, or threaten to inflict physical harm to the person or
11 property of any person. It is also unlawful to otherwise disturb by repeated
12 anonymous telephone calls ELECTRONIC OR DIGITAL COMMUNICATIONS the peace,
13 quiet or right of privacy of any person at the place where the telephone call
14 or calls COMMUNICATIONS were received.
15 B. Any offense committed by use of a telephone AN ELECTRONIC OR
16 DIGITAL DEVICE as set forth in this section is deemed to have been committed
17 at either the place where the telephone call or callsCOMMUNICATIONS
18 originated or at the place where the telephone call or callsCOMMUNICATIONS
19 were received.
20 C. Any person who violates this section is guilty of a class 1
21 misdemeanor.


Note - I've had to insert the strikethroughs manually since they didn't copy & paste.

IMO That's a lot milder than the article suggests and although I can still see valid constitutional concerns they don't seem much worse than the existing law.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 12:43 pm 
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Whoever voted for this shit can suck my motherfucking dick.

I hope someone reads this in Arizona and is offended.

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If you think that's wacky, try this on:

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'Tea party'-backed bill to halt green programs

Arizona "tea party" members are pushing through legislation to quash government-funded efforts to reduce pollution and improve energy efficiency in cities, counties and the state.

Opponents of Senate Bill 1507, sponsored by Sen. Judy Burges, R-Sun City West, say the bill would shut down any government-led environmental initiative, such as Energize Phoenix, a $25 million, stimulus-funded project to improve energy efficiency in homes and businesses along the light-rail corridors in central Phoenix.

Critics also say the bill is based on a tea-party conspiracy theory about a 1992 United Nations declaration.

"This is the most ludicrous bill I've ever seen in six years in the Legislature," House Minority Leader Chad Campbell, D-Phoenix, said.


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It's unfortunate in Arizona that so many people are so anti-American.

Before I moved here in '02, I knew it was a red state. (But there was a goddamned Democratic governor at the time)! I had never anticipated that Arizona - besides being extremely fundamentalist Christian - also was basically the Second State of Mormon. I'd see fundamentalist polygamists openly living their lives like the John Smith-adoring, gun-toting patriarch I met at the gas station with five of his wives in frontier dresses and bonnets riding in the back of this scumbag's pickup truck. But I found that about 1/3 of the acreage in the Phoenix metro (east side - Mesa, Gilbert, Higley) is considered "heavily LDS."

I do think it's the snowbird contingent that keeps Arpaio, Seel, Burges, and other like-minded scum in office, on top of all the other fundamentalists here. Who's to say who's a legal AZ resident, when it comes time to vote? Can the Canadians (and there's a huge population of them here, half the year) get away with registering?

Do Arizona's election results really reflect the will of its people?

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Anonymous Advocates Sending "Butthurt Report Form" to Jan Brewer, Legislators
By Matthew Hendley Mon., Apr. 2 2012 at 4:27 PM

If your butt hurts, Anonymous would like you to let your legislators and governor know about it.

​Way to go, Arizona legislators, you officially pissed off the Internet.

One of the most popular Twitter accounts associated with the Anonymous community, "YourAnonNews," got wind of Arizona's House Bill 2549, which was labeled by one critic as a "bill to censor electronic speech."

The response -- repeated multiple times to the account's 562,000-plus followers -- is to fax a "butthurt report form" to Governor Jan Brewer and state legislators.

If you're at the Capitol with a "butthurt report form" in your fax machine, now you know why.
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If anyone doubts the efficacy of the decades-long plan of fundies of any stripe, Mormon, Talibangeicals, even anarchists, running for office in order to make the US look like the darker corners of the fundie mind, look no further than AZ. Are there enough rational people left in the lege and courts to turn back this tide?

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If you think that's wacky, try this on:

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'Tea party'-backed bill to halt green programs

Arizona "tea party" members are pushing through legislation to quash government-funded efforts to reduce pollution and improve energy efficiency in cities, counties and the state.

Opponents of Senate Bill 1507, sponsored by Sen. Judy Burges, R-Sun City West, say the bill would shut down any government-led environmental initiative, such as Energize Phoenix, a $25 million, stimulus-funded project to improve energy efficiency in homes and businesses along the light-rail corridors in central Phoenix.

Critics also say the bill is based on a tea-party conspiracy theory about a 1992 United Nations declaration.

"This is the most ludicrous bill I've ever seen in six years in the Legislature," House Minority Leader Chad Campbell, D-Phoenix, said.


Does this woman do anything sane?


And they're just getting warmed up.. Any chance we can pull all of Shurff Joe's Facebook pages under the censorship law??

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 2:55 pm 
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The bill is here. The measure seems to have cross-party support (30-0 vote in the Senate) and the key part is :

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13-2916. Use of an electronic or digital device to terrify,
5 intimidate, threaten, harass, annoy or offend;
6 classification; definition
7 A. It is unlawful for any person, with intent to terrify, intimidate,
8 threaten, harass, annoy or offend, to usea telephone ANY ELECTRONIC OR
9 DIGITAL DEVICE and use any obscene, lewd or profane language or suggest any
10 lewd or lascivious act, or threaten to inflict physical harm to the person or
11 property of any person. It is also unlawful to otherwise disturb by repeated
12 anonymous telephone calls ELECTRONIC OR DIGITAL COMMUNICATIONS the peace,
13 quiet or right of privacy of any person at the place where the telephone call
14 or calls COMMUNICATIONS were received.
15 B. Any offense committed by use of a telephone AN ELECTRONIC OR
16 DIGITAL DEVICE as set forth in this section is deemed to have been committed
17 at either the place where the telephone call or callsCOMMUNICATIONS
18 originated or at the place where the telephone call or callsCOMMUNICATIONS
19 were received.
20 C. Any person who violates this section is guilty of a class 1
21 misdemeanor.


Note - I've had to insert the strikethroughs manually since they didn't copy & paste.

IMO That's a lot milder than the article suggests and although I can still see valid constitutional concerns they don't seem much worse than the existing law.


IANL, but my reading of the bill still gives me cause for concern.

Hypothetical 1:
The bill becomes law. I know that Jerome Corsi reads the Fogbow. I refer to Corsi as, "the motherfucking bastard offspring of a one night stand involving the pilsbury doughboy and a pufferfish." Corsi happens to be in Phoenix, and reads the post while freshening up between delivering rimjobs to Sheriff Joe.

Hypothetical 2:
The bill becomes law. In a fit of pique, I inform our latest anonymous birther troll that he or she is "a real fucking idiot". Unbeknownst to me, the birther troll is actually Mike Zullo.

Hypothetical 3:
The bill becomes law. I refer to Mike Zullo as "a goddamn opportunist who would suck the sweat off a dead man's balls for thirty seconds of camera time." Unbeknownst to me, Zullo, although not a Fogbow member, reads every thread religiously.

Hypothetical 4:
The bill becomes law. I write, "It's a shame Joe Arpaio doesn't read the Fogbow, because I'd love to be able to tell the motherfucker that he is lower than whale shit on the bottom of the ocean." Corsi, in Flagstaff for a Maricopa CCCP circle-jerk, shows Arpaio the post.

In all four of those hypotheticals, I have arguably committed a misdemeanor in Joe Arpaio's jurisdiction. In the first two cases, I've probably committed the misdemeanor - the intent to offend and the obscene or profane language are difficult to contest, and there is nothing that would require me to know or expect that the recipient is in Arizona. The second two are less certain, but argument can be made that I have the intent - and, again, we're in Joe Arpaio's jurisdiction.

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How about the fact that orly has posted Arpaio's e-mail address and has told all her FMs to inundate the Shuurf with e-mail, would that be against this law?


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But wait. They don't want the gummint telling us what to do! I don't get it. Oh...only if the gummint is THEM telling us what to do! Got it. I guess everyone I grew up its was wrong about "You can't legislate morality".

Mikedunford, you have to start using IANALY.

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Mikedunford, you have to start using IANALY.


Not after a post like that last one. Could be read as a preference. :shock:

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I wonder if it's dawned on the Keyboard Commandos down in Arizona that this law prohibits them from writing batshit things about the President, First Lady, etc. on the internet? If they actually enforce this law, I bet there will be a dramatic drop in nutbag comments posted on the net.

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This proposal met an early death:

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Internet Trolls Can Breathe Easy for a Minute -- HB 2549 Has Been Stopped
By Matthew Hendley Tue., Apr. 3 2012 at 2:37 PM

Arizona's House Bill 2549, which was labeled by one critic as a "bill to censor electronic speech," has been stopped, according to one of the bill's sponsors.

As we've already mentioned twice before, the bill was never transferred to the governor, contrary to the numerous media reports saying it has. The bill was amended before it passed the Senate, meaning it was returned to the House -- where it's apparently been stopped.

State Representative Vic Williams tells New Times that legislators have received quite a bit of "legitimate concerns" -- and illegitimate concerns -- about the bill, and Representative Ted Vogt has stopped the bill from moving forward so everyone can figure it out.
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This proposal met an early death:


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