From DailyKos,



More at the link, including a statement by The American Congress of Obstetricians and Gynecologists and the full text of the bill.

What a complete load of crap. Oklahoma citizens (hell all citizens) should be ashamed of this nonsense.



Of course, after birth, these so-called pro-lifers don't give a damn what happens to that same child.

THIS. As far as they are concerned once the child is born they couldn't give a shit if it starves on a bare floor, or freezes to death, or gets beaten to death, or is homeless, uneducated and eventually jobless. Could not give a shit. They are evil human beings.

Virginia House of Delegates did the same thing today. I'll start a thread, maybe, or we can broaden this one, if the Senate passes it. They're saying our Republican governor would sign it.

They will burn this country to the ground in pursuit of their personal sense of righteousness, as informed by voices from invisible bearded men in the clouds. Sigh.

I wonder what this will do to malpractice insurance rates for oh/gysns?

Like so many others, it will head right straight to court and almost certainly struck down. The last time I checked, abortion was still legal.

Rachel did a segment last night on these bills. Virginia also is about to pass one requiring an intrusive procedure to do a sonogram before a woman can be permitted access to an abortion. I don't see how that meets the test.

The GOP are staking themselves to some mighty radical positions and I think it's going to give a majority of the women and possibly men, the cold shivers to think what it would mean to have these laws enforced.

As Shannon Moore said on Twitter "State Rape"

Texas already requires teh vaginal sonogram. and it was upheld. I'll see if I can find the court case.

Yes, here it is. But it will be appealed. First, the pro-choice groups are asking for an
[i]en banc[/i] hearing by the Fifth Circuit. So, there's a long way to go.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities ... z04UrR5OcI

http://reproductiverights.org/en/press- ... block-stat

Also, I am not sure this is the same kind of sonogram requirement. I don't recall it being an invasive type. I don't see how a legislature can make rape with an object legal.

In the early stages of pregnancy, a conventional, external sonogram (the wand on the belly) cannot see the embryo. At that point, they have to use the internal sonograms. And most women who are seeking an abortion would be in a stage that is too early to be detected by an external. So yes, these bills are state-condoned rape by an object.

Oklahoma only recently outlawed cock fighting. This was a sorry change for me after 30 + years in California.

Here's the bill itself. It doesn't specify, but I will take it you know the difference. At what stage is an external allowable? It seems like that would be a part of the 'informed consent' that the legislators are so avid for the woman to have.

http://www.legis.state.tx.us/tlodocs/82 ... navpanes=0

The law says that the woman has to be provided with a list of agencies that provide sonograms for free, but I really wonder how many there are that fit the list. It still will not effectively meet the Supreme Court test if the law is putting effective barriers in the path of a woman exercising her rights. And that is what it is. They are using the notion of 'informed consent' as a cover for putting as many obstacles as they can in the way.

From everything I have read, an external sonogram can detect a gestational sac at around 6 weeks or so. But it won't be a very clear picture. The clearest 1st Trimester sonogram pictures are done with the internal sonograms.

Of course, Old Grunt, or another MD, would be better at answering this question.

I'm sure some will spring up. You know, sponsored by churches and whatnot. They will provide helpful counseling hectoring, berate the patient if she is reluctant to look at the sonogram, provide literature about exercising her choice the horrors of abortion, ensure the father rapist is consulted (especially if he's the patient's own father), etc., etc. It'll be trouble-free, and soon women throughout Oklahoma will have no excuse to engage in thought crime.

I may have misread this, so please check. The law says the list of sonogram providers cannot include those that provide abortion services. Of course the object is to channel them into oppressive situations where they can be pressured, guilt-tripped and propagandized. The whole point of these laws is to do and end run around the current law as set out by the SCOUTUS. They are like birthers. They never give up and they do next to nothing for the children that are already born into unfortunate situations.

What is the charming quote from some vile bagger as to how to treat people without insurance? "Let them die." These toads don't care in the least about babies. It's all about enslaving women.

The Handmaiden's Tale is too liberal a setting for these idiots. They would rather have this nation become Gor.