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Post by Sam the Centipede » Tue Feb 14, 2017 9:10 am

RoadScholar wrote: Crap; that statement is garbage. I myself and others I know have been helped immensely by chiropractic care. My doctor has been the team chiropractor for the Orioles baseball team for some twenty years. He is an excellent practitioner.
No, chiropractic is complete horseshit from top to bottom; general illnesses are not caused by subluxations of the vertebrae or other spinal issues that has absolutely no basis in reality or in science. Many chiropractors also dabble in other crap like homeopathy or acupressure as part of the alternative medicine bumper bucket of bollox. Please do not try to excuse this nonsense. To claim it has any basis is to tell a lie.

There are decent medical practitioners who dabble in alternative medicine, but they are decent in spite of their adherence to anti-scientific, irrational, unethical nonsense, not because of it.

You might think you have been helped by it, but the mechanisms that alternative medicine uses to achieve apparent success are well-known and have absolutely nothing to do with the ridiculous rationale of the actual treatment applied. In particular, suggestible, and even not-so-suggestible, people like the care and attention. You clearly know a lot of suggestible or gullible people! The fact that your practitioner provides some care to a baseball team is wholly irrelevant, why should that count in its favor? The English royal family is apparently keen on homeopathy, but that doesn't make water a good medicine.

In general, we are against "alternative facts" here - that's what you are spreading. If you believe otherwise, start a thread somewhere and explain in detail how the horseshit of chiropractic meets any rational criteria for effectiveness and ethicalness. References to sports teams are not required!



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Post by RoadScholar » Tue Feb 14, 2017 9:18 am

I have two vulnerabilities in my back from years of abuse and neck problems from a car accident. Chiropractic adjustments helped me tremendously. Your "facts" that there is never any benefit to such care are horseshit, plain and simple. In making such statements you risk being seen as exactly as much of a zealot as those who claim chiropractic can cure anything.

This is an extremely straightforward and fair article on the subject:

http://time.com/4282617/chiropractor-lower-back-pain/

Thus endeth the threadjack.


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Post by noblepa » Tue Feb 14, 2017 10:54 am

JohnPCapitalist wrote:
bob wrote:P&E: Report: Two Whitehouse.gov Petition Signers Fail to Receive Confirmation Link:
Although the petition asking the White House to pardon former Lt. Col. Terry Lakin has gained several hundred signatures today, would-be signers continue to report that after multiple attempts both early on and over this weekend, they have not received a confirmation email so that their signatures can be registered.
Today's power vocabulary word for the SovCit crowd is "spam filter."

Bet there would be a few red faces if these nitwits would stop blaming endless eeebil gummint tranny for a few minutes and actually learn some useful things about how e-mail works.
Furthermore, why would the ebil gubbmint interfere with the Lakin petition while allowing the one demanding that Trump release his tax returns to accumulate several hundred thousand signatures?

Personally, I don't believe for a moment that the Trump WH has any intention of responding to any of the petitions on Whitehouse.gov. I suspect they aren't even aware that it is there.



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Post by noblepa » Tue Feb 14, 2017 11:05 am

Plutodog wrote:
Suranis wrote:Well, I really feel I should point out that if that pic were being honest, there would be lots of bits missing in the word "evolution" that scientists assume are there... :-D
There are lots of missing dots in the picture. Most deaths don't end in fossilization. But plenty do to connect up and see the big picture. Then throw in DNA and genes and genome matching and the ability to make predictions based upon the theory fills it out.

http://www.asktheatheists.com/questions ... -testable/
Also, micro-evolution is an observable, undeniable fact. Ask any farmer who has had to change pesticides, because the one they were using is no longer effective. Ask any epidemiologist who used to have seven or eight antibiotics that were effective against certain bacterial infections, but now only have two. Hell, ask any dog or cat breeder who has created a new breed of pet through selective breeding. All of this proves, without a doubt that natural selection works on short, observable time frames. Stretch this out over millions of years and it is pretty clear that major changes can occur.

Then too, I've read that scientists have discovered that some of the "junk DNA" or seemingly unused positions on the strand, are in reality, "switches" that can turn other genes on and off in a single generation. I saw one experiment, where they turned a certain gene on in a fish. That fishes offspring had pectoral fins that were not fins at all, but rudimentary legs.

We know that all dogs are descended from wolves. Compare a Timber Wolf to a Chihuahua or a Great Dane to a Lhasa Apso. That diversity happened in only a few thousand years.



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Post by bob » Tue Feb 14, 2017 11:55 am

noblepa wrote:Furthermore, why would the ebil gubbmint interfere with the Lakin petition while allowing the one demanding that Trump release his tax returns to accumulate several hundred thousand signatures?
Kerchner on WOBC "explained" that the WTP site is actually run by contractors, and it is quite possible that the contracting company has Obama moles in it. And they secretly mess with the petitions' counters. :roll:

Kerchner's paranoia is impressive. But not as impressive as his confidence in which he passes off his pure speculation as fact, or his ability to imagine such a vast enterprise for such petty results. Or his inability to see the obvious: maybe the counter is so low because so few care.


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Post by Notorial Dissent » Tue Feb 14, 2017 12:24 pm

The combination of paranoia, delusion, apparent inability to actually process data independent of his beliefs, or think even remotely rationally makes me very nervous that this man once held a position of relative authority in the Navy. He and Fitzfundfilcher both for that matter.


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Post by bob » Tue Feb 14, 2017 12:37 pm

Notorial Dissent wrote:He and Fitzfundfilcher both for that matter.
And the three (retired) generals who publicly backed Lakin. Too also.


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Post by bob » Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:25 pm

P&E: Lakin Petition Tops 5,000 Signatures:
Since the petition appeared on whitehouse.gov, Obama supporters, colloquially referred to by some as “Obots,” have attempted to make the case that Lakin remains guilty of disobeying military orders regardless of Obama’s eligibility.
Hi, Rondeau! :wave: You know who else thinks Lakin is guilty? LAKIN: He pleaded guilty to disobeying orders, and then dismissed his appeal.

Bonus:
At the time of this writing, the Trump administration has not responded to Ciavolino’s request, although in an interview approximately two weeks ago with Sean Hannity, Trump mentioned that there were “several” pardons he was considering involving members of the military.
:roll:
Other developments in the Lakin case are expected today.
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Post by Orlylicious » Tue Feb 14, 2017 9:15 pm

I like how T. F. Bow thinks! :lol:



Meanwhile Rharon is tweeting about the 80k signatures on a protecting horses change.org petition, proving she knows what a #fail this bogus Lakin petition is.
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Post by mighty dawg » Wed Feb 15, 2017 7:54 am

The Lakin Petition now stands at 5,331 signatures. That's an increase in only 252 signatures over the past 24 hours at time when they need to be earning over fifty times that rate each and every remaining day. Now, to get to 100,000 by the 2/20 deadline they'll need to secure nearly 700 signatures an hour.

Hey....miracles do happen from time to time. :point:


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Post by bob » Wed Feb 15, 2017 12:56 pm

P&E: Terry Lakin Websites Under Attack:
“IT’S CLEAR THAT SOMEONE IS GOING AFTER THEM”

On Tuesday morning, Terry Lakin Action Fund Trustee and owner of Enktesis.com Marco Ciavolino sent out an email to several parties relating that the server on which he manages more than 250 websites has come under increased cyber-attacks over the last few days.

Ciavolino has a background in general marketing communications which has included designing billboards, assembling trade show displays, and building websites from the “very simple” to the “very complex.” He now provides hosting, security and website management through two companies he owns. He has produced videos for numerous political campaigns as well as a video in which then-Lt. Col. Terry Lakin appeared in July 2010 asking that Barack Hussein Obama prove that he is a “natural born Citizen,” as is required by Article II, Section 1, clause 5 of the U.S. Constitution.

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Three of the websites Ciavolino manages which are under attack are connected to Lakin, who was ultimately convicted at court-martial of “missing movement,” subsequently spending five months in Fort Leavenworth. In addition, he forfeited all pay, benefits, and his Army service with a dishonorable discharge.

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In an interview on Tuesday afternoon regarding the recent attempted website breaches, Ciavolino told The Post & Email, “Just today alone, there have been 400-some attacks to hack into the admin of my WordPress sites all over the world. It goes on continuously.”

Ciavolino said that he took special precautions to protect the websites associated with Lakin’s name.

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Ciavolino wrote:The reason they’re going after these sites is not that they care about the content, but they want access to the server. They will typically bury really hard-to-find directories in your site that have thousands of files and use them as either relays or distribution points for launching certain types of attacks. Many times you would not even know your site has been exploited. The second motive is purely malicious: they want to take your site down. The third type of exploit is what you’ve seen in the news: for government and corporate sites, they want to change the site and put their own message there. . . .
“Do you think it’s anyone from the government?” we asked, to which he responded, “I doubt it.”
Rando hackers attempting to hijack a server; I've never heard of that before. :roll:

Bonus:
On Tuesday, an advertisement was published[*] in The Washington Times asking readers to sign the Lakin petition.



As of press time on Wednesday morning (9:21 EST), the petition shows 5,334 signatures, with a total of 100,000 required by February 20 for the White House to be obligated to provide a response.
* What's with the passive voice, Rondeau? We all know it is Kerchner.


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Post by bob » Wed Feb 15, 2017 5:03 pm

P&E: Tea Party Group Born by Fighting for Lt. Col. Terry Lakin.

Executive summary: Litcher :yankyank: 'ing. :sick:


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Post by JohnPCapitalist » Wed Feb 15, 2017 5:39 pm

bob wrote:P&E: Terry Lakin Websites Under Attack:
“IT’S CLEAR THAT SOMEONE IS GOING AFTER THEM”

On Tuesday morning, Terry Lakin Action Fund Trustee and owner of Enktesis.com Marco Ciavolino sent out an email to several parties relating that the server on which he manages more than 250 websites has come under increased cyber-attacks over the last few days.

Three of the websites Ciavolino manages which are under attack are connected to Lakin, who was ultimately convicted at court-martial of “missing movement,” subsequently spending five months in Fort Leavenworth. In addition, he forfeited all pay, benefits, and his Army service with a dishonorable discharge.

In an interview on Tuesday afternoon regarding the recent attempted website breaches, Ciavolino told The Post & Email, “Just today alone, there have been 400-some attacks to hack into the admin of my WordPress sites all over the world. It goes on continuously.”
First, 247 of his 250 web sites are not connected to Terry Lakin and they are under attack as well. So how he manages to see a conspiracy to suppress the truth about Terry Lakin is beyond me, unless he's about to launch a Kickstarter campaign so he can go to some Caribbean island to attend many weeks of beachfront computer security training.

Second, I run a couple of WordPress sites and there are always daily attempts to hack into the admin area. It's just what script kiddies do. Protip to Marco Ciavolino: use hard-to-guess passwords that will defeat rainbow table attacks and then ignore these distractions, as the security tools on WordPress are able to handle things. I've never had a site hacked successfully in all the years I've run WordPress.



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Post by mighty dawg » Thu Feb 16, 2017 7:58 am

The end is nigh. Over the past 24 hours only 153 people signed the Lakin Petition, despite the full page ad in the Washington Times. At 5,484 signatures, our birther friends will need to earn 844 signatures an hour to succeed. That's effectively better than 20,250 signatures a day.

Hope springs eternal. :pray:


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Post by JohnPCapitalist » Thu Feb 16, 2017 8:11 am

mighty dawg wrote:The end is nigh. Over the past 24 hours only 153 people signed the Lakin Petition, despite the full page ad in the Washington Times.
So a couple of Terry's supporters dropped $5,000 or more on an ad and the response rate yesterday was half the response rate of the day before the ad ran? In other words, the ad could be seen as having had a negative effect on petition signups (probably not what actually happened; all the people who cared about Terry signed already and the ad merely had zero effect).

The ad sounds like a very expensive lesson in the idea that aside from a few cranks and flakes and their immediate families, nobody actually cares about Terry Lakin even to the point of investing a handful of minutes in filling out the petition.



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JohnPCapitalist wrote:The ad sounds like a very expensive lesson in the idea that aside from a few cranks and flakes and their immediate families, nobody actually cares about Terry Lakin even to the point of investing a handful of minutes in filling out the petition.
The ad was almost certainly bought by birther-for-life Charles Kerchner. Over the years, he placed dozens of similar ads regarding Obama's eligibility. He recently revealed that cost of placing all those ads was around $100,000. :shock:

Kerchner also bankrolled fabricating and mailing Volin's "sheriff kit" to every single sheriff (over 3000), every member of Congress, every Attorney General, and others. IIRC, that was around $5000. And, IIRC, Kerchner sponsored the first strike of the birther coins, a proposition that likely lost money.

Kerchner has repeatedly said that doing anything is better than doing nothing; this would include, it would appear, repeating failed actions with the hope of better results. Kerchner exemplifies the birthers' inability to understand that no one agrees with them, or even cares anymore.


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Post by mighty dawg » Fri Feb 17, 2017 8:39 am

The Lakin Petition is hearing its death knell. Just 107 signatures since my last post 24 hours ago. At 5,591, Gary Wilmott needs 1,073 an hour to break 100,000.

Am wondering how Sharon Rondeau will announce the demise of the petition. Does the P&E run obituaries?

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Post by JohnPCapitalist » Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:20 am

mighty dawg wrote:Am wondering how Sharon Rondeau will announce the demise of the petition. Does the P&E run obituaries?
I don't need to tell anyone here that she'll struggle mightily to spin abject defeat as some sort of victory. The fun for us is in predicting what she'll try to salvage from yet another poot flop. Not quite on the order of 2014's "Operation American Spring" (30 million expected, 100 actually showed up), but another unambiguous reminder of just how little support these whack jobs actually have.

My bet on how she spins it: "Obama rigged change.org petition to suppress hundreds of thousands of Lakin supporters by not recording their vote." Never mind that the Trump administration owns the web site for most of the life of the petition.



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Post by Maybenaut » Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:28 am

To paraphrase Diane Chambers, let me start by saying that I hate Terry Lakin with the white hot intensity of 1000 suns.

But I think there is a real possibility that he might eventually get pardoned. It's certainly not going to happen as a result of this petition, and I doubt it would happen any time soon. But Trump was a birther, and Lakin, a fellow birther, paid the highest price any birther ever paid. So I think Trump might pardon Lakin on his way out the door. I don't think he would do it because of some ideological empathy, but I think he might do it as a fuck you to Obama.



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Post by ZekeB » Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:44 am

A Lakin pardon will not take away the high price Lakin paid. He won't be serving in the military again. IMO a pardon would be a kick in the face to the military.


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Post by Piffle » Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:56 am

Maybenaut wrote:...So I think Trump might pardon Lakin on his way out the door. I don't think he would do it because of some ideological empathy, but I think he might do it as a fuck you to Obama.
I don't disagree in the least. In fact, I'll take "over" in the over/under line.

But how would this work? What if Trump sent out a tweet retroactively restoring all lost benefits and appointing Lakin an ad hoc member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff? Would that be legal?



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Post by Maybenaut » Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:01 am

Piffle wrote:
Maybenaut wrote:...So I think Trump might pardon Lakin on his way out the door. I don't think he would do it because of some ideological empathy, but I think he might do it as a fuck you to Obama.
I don't disagree in the least. In fact, I'll take "over" in the over/under line.

But how would this work? What if Trump sent out a tweet retroactively restoring all lost benefits and appointing Lakin an ad hoc member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff? Would that be legal?
No. All he can do is pardon him. Lakin could then take that pardon to the army board for correction of military records and try to get reinstated to active duty plus back pay or whatever. I'd put the chances of a successful application to the BCMR at zero.



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