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However, with a fraudulent long-form birth certificate, Selective Service registration form, questionable “short-form” birth certificate, conflicting life narratives, and nothing proving who his parents are or were, the jury remains out on that question.
And therein lies the problem with the Zullo believer. None of those things exist except in the fevered minds of ignorant people who just are still unwilling to accept that we had a Black President. There is zero, zip, nada credible evidence, much less proof, of their asinine assertions, regardless what their ridiculous “investigation “ appears to them to show. It does not. Never has. Never will. Simply because it’s all conspiracy theory Bullshit.

Why do they not question every other candidate’s document authenticity. Such as Trump, or any of the other candidates. I wonder what the difference is. Hmmm

And contrary to Zullo’s statement, during anti-birther investigations there has been several times where people admitted they were wrong, based on additional information. It is Zullo and the rest of the birther idiots who have never and will never admit they’re wrong. Fractally wrong.


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P&E comment:
ELmo wrote: “Judge” Pirro needs to be held accountable (among others at Fox) for letting Obama off the hook. In this case the judge “laughed off” Goodfriends” “are you serious” answer instead of holding his feet to the fire and demanding (like Dan Bongino) that Goodfriend answer the question – “Did you ever see a long form”? Instead she just laughed – Shameful (IMO).


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Post by Orlylicious » Tue Jan 09, 2018 6:32 pm

That's what makes it so funny! It's like denying gravity, you'd think after slamming to the ground for eight years they'd learn. But then they wouldn't be birthers. :lol:
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Tue Jan 09, 2018 6:18 pm
However, with a fraudulent long-form birth certificate, Selective Service registration form, questionable “short-form” birth certificate, conflicting life narratives, and nothing proving who his parents are or were, the jury remains out on that question.
And therein lies the problem with the Zullo believer. None of those things exist except in the fevered minds of ignorant people who just are still unwilling to accept that we had a Black President. There is zero, zip, nada credible evidence, much less proof, of their asinine assertions, regardless what their ridiculous “investigation “ appears to them to show. It does not. Never has. Never will. Simply because it’s all conspiracy theory Bullshit.

Why do they not question every other candidate’s document authenticity. Such as Trump, or any of the other candidates. I wonder what the difference is. Hmmm

And contrary to Zullo’s statement, during anti-birther investigations there has been several times where people admitted they were wrong, based on additional information. It is Zullo and the rest of the birther idiots who have never and will never admit they’re wrong. Fractally wrong.


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Post by Notorial Dissent » Tue Jan 09, 2018 6:40 pm

Whatever4 wrote:
Tue Jan 09, 2018 5:52 am
So in the 8 or 9 years this nonsense has been grinding on, why haven’t any of the Birthers taken the necessary courses to actually qualify as forensic experts instead of insisting they are? Zullo could have become a certified expert. I mean, MikeDunford went to law school and then some in that time.
Most of them would have to get through High School, or maybe even Jr High, first, then there's the whole college thing and specialized studies and then actually learning something to begin with, pretty much NOT a part of the birfer skill set.


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Post by Foggy » Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:21 pm

I'm just glad they're suffering. Let them whine and cry forever. Human garbage.



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Post by Mr Brolin » Wed Jan 10, 2018 1:43 am

Alas and alack, it appears my presence and occasional bon-mot are no longer acceptable at Ye Olde Tyme Pravda. It appears my last post, polite but firm, in response to an individual who labels themselves as "thinkwell" (as trenchant example of falsity in advertising as ever I saw) was too painful for the tender feelings of the readership.

A shame really as said troubled and challenged individuals latest drivel de jour is chock full of materiel ripe for correction and possibly not so gentle mocking

https://www.thepostemail.com/2018/01/09 ... ent-240500

Oh, how will this poor individual sustain themselves after being so harshly cast from the convivial, collegiate and coddling community of crashing and crushing cretins..... :crying:

Still, onwards and upwards, a few ripening accounts at locales such as Free Republic need some careful care and attention.... :boxing: The rich stench of hurt and betrayal when a previously and seemingly close fellow traveller turns into a polite skewerer is as the fine aroma of a well aged singe malt.



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P&E: Fox News Channel Calls Birth Certificate Investigation “Birther Campaign”:
DESPITE “COMPUTER-GENERATED FORGERY” FINDING REINFORCED BY FORENSIC EXPERTS

On Wednesday morning, former Maricopa County, AZ Sheriff Joseph M. Arpaio appeared on “Fox & Friends” to discuss his recent decision to seek a seat in the U.S. Senate.

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Arpaio’s commissioning of a 5+-year criminal investigation into the alleged, and later confirmed, forgery of the PDF image posted at whitehouse.gov said to represent Barack Hussein Obama’s “long-form” birth certificate received but one passing mention in the article:
While Arpaio is known for his controversial takes on many issues, including his “birther” campaign against former President Barack Obama and for housing inmates in desert tent camps, he’s best known for his approach to combat illegal immigration.

Early in Obama’s first term, anyone doubting his constitutional eligibility, an issue which arose during the 2008 campaign, was deemed a “birther” who was likely “racist” or otherwise objected to “America’s First Black President.” In 2011, Trump himself was described as the “leader” of “the birthers” or “the birther movement” by virtue of his repeated public calls for the White House to release Obama’s long-form, or more detailed, birth record allegedly held by the Hawaii Department of Health (HDOH).

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As with all U.S. mainstream media outlets, Fox was loathe to raise the results of Zullo’s probe, which on March 1, 2012 were reported at a press conference as having identified probable cause to believe that the long-form birth certificate image is a “computer-generated forgery.”

Zullo has stated publicly as well as in interviews with The Post & Email and others that he was told by Arpaio’s Public Relations personnel following the presser that he had been booked to appear as a guest on “Hannity” with host Sean Hannity that evening to discuss the investigational findings. However, shortly beforehand, he was told by the same individuals that Hannity’s producer had canceled the booking.

Throughout Obama’s eight years in office, FNC refused to allow its guests to raise the serious question of Obama’s eligibility for the office of president given that:
•He claims a father who was never a U.S. citizen, causing many to believe he is not a “natural born Citizen,” as the Constitution requires of the chief executive;
•He lived outside of the U.S. and may have been adopted as a child by a foreign national, his mother’s second husband, Lolo Soetoro;
•At the same time, he attended Indonesian schools, which may have required documentation of Indonesian citizenship;
•No hospital in Hawaii or any other state has claimed to be his birthplace;
•Conflicting narratives of his early years and childhood have been in existence dating back to at least 1990 by credible U.S. and overseas news sources;
•His short-form and long-form birth certificates have been declared to be fraudulent;
•The Arpaio/Zullo investigation found his Selective Service registration form to be a “hard-copy forgery;”
•In 2010, members of the Kenyan Parliament noted on the record that Obama was born in Kenya.

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In recent weeks, Zullo has made a number of appearances on the “Freedom Friday” and WOBC radio shows in addition to granting interviews to this publication. In commentary provided on Sunday to our article titled, “Obama Sycophants Desperately Try to Infiltrate The Post & Email’s Comments Section,” Zullo appeared to suggest that the revelation of new evidence will be “advancing.”

As he has on a number of occasions, Hannity said on his Monday night show that Obama was “never vetted.”


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Oh, the irony hypocrisy.


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Post by Orlylicious » Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:02 am

The all-powerful Post and Email with 596 Twitter followers :lol:
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Rharon should be THRILLED, Joe brought it up and the MAINSTREAM MEDIA is covering it! RUPERT MURDOCH'S New York Post:
Sheriff Joe Arpaio revives Obama ‘birther’ conspiracy
By David K. Li January 10, 2018 | 11:00pm

Disgraced Arizona lawman Joe Arpaio on Wednesday renewed crazy claims that former President Obama’s birth certificate “is a forgery” – and wants Congress to investigate that conspiracy theory instead of Russia.

The former Maricopa County sheriff, running for the seat of retiring US Sen. Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.), told WABC radio hosts Rita Cosby and Curtis Sliwa that Russian interference in the 2016 election should take a backseat to his baseless claim about Obama’s birth.

“They’re (Congress) too busy talking about Russia,” said Arpaio, who insisted he has proof that Obama wasn’t born in the United States. “We came up with some more, new information, not that we need it, but you’ll hear more about it.”

Arpaio, 85, said he doesn’t care what blowback he suffers from propping up the long-discredited “birther” movement. “I’m not gonna back down on this. I don’t care if I lose elections or anything,” said Arpaio. “I’m going to tell you again that that document is a forgery.”
https://nypost.com/2018/01/10/sheriff-j ... onspiracy/

New York Daily News:
Sheriff Joe Arpaio doubles down on ‘birther’ claims against Obama as he launches Senate bid
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Cuomo, who asked whether America’s self-styled “toughest sheriff” had any regrets, honed in on Arpaio’s role in delegitimizing Obama by claiming he was not born in the United States.

Arpaio said, “I started this because of a fake government document. I didn't care where the President came from ... We had the evidence, nobody will talk about or a look at it. Anytime you want to come down, we'll be glad to show you the evidence.”

In another earlier interview Wednesday with WABC radio hosts Rita Cosby and Curtis Sliwa, Arpaio went so far as to say, "I want to get it to Congress so they can pass some type of law, regulation, that when somebody runs for President, you oughta check their background, so this won't happen again."
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politic ... -1.3750418

Washington Examiner:
Senate candidate Joe Arpaio: Feds should focus on Obama's birth certificate instead of Russia
by Katie Leach | Jan 10, 2018, 9:22 PM

Republican U.S. Senate candidate Joe Arpaio, R-Ariz., says the federal Russia investigation should be scrapped in favor of an inquiry into the highly controversial claim that former President Barack Obama’s birth certificate is fraudulent.

After confirming that he still believes Obama’s birth certificate was forged, the Trump surrogate said that he has evidence from forensic experts backing his claim and therefore he won’t back down from it.
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“You know, you got that situation with [former national security adviser Michael] Flynn and all these guys in Washington they’re going after, because they didn’t check a box in a government report? OK, they didn’t check a box. Why don’t they check another government report? A forged document,” he argued, referencing the federal probe looking into Russian interference in the 2016 election.

“I’m not gonna back down on this. I don’t care if I lose elections or anything,” Arpaio said. “You gotta do what you feel is right, and not have these cover-ups and people not willing to look at everything we got. Why won’t they look at it? We sent it to the FBI two years ago. With a lot of other information. Where is it? They’re too busy talking about Russia.
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Buzzfeed:
Joe Arpaio Still Thinks Obama's Birth Certificate Was Fake

As he launches a second political life as a candidate for US Senate, Joe Arpaio — the former Arizona sheriff pardoned by President Trump after a criminal contempt conviction — is holding fast to his repeatedly debunked theories about Barack Obama's birth certificate.

Appearing on CNN Wednesday night, just one day after launching a campaign for Arizona's open Senate seat, Arpaio clung to the myth of "fake documents" surrounding the former president's birth. "We have the evidence," he told host Chris Cuomo. "No one will talk about it. Nobody will look at it."
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Asked Wednesday about Trump's change in position, Arpaio interjected to say that his political benefactor had only addressed the issue of where Obama was born, not the legitimacy of his birth certificate.

"He never said about a fake birth certificate," Arpaio said. "That's the only thing I was trying to prove."


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Happy now Rharon?
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Chilidog wrote:
Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:28 pm
Hey look who's out

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Susan Daniels! (for those who couldn't be bothered.)

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P&E: Media Clings to “Born in Hawaii” When Faced with Forgery Claim:
OR “BORN IN THE U.S.”

As has occurred since 2012, mainstream media outlets continue to conflate the distinct issues of the forgery of Barack Hussein Obama’s “long-form” birth certificate and where the subject of the forgery might have taken his first breath.

Since his declaration on Tuesday that he will seek the U.S. Senate seat to be vacated by junior Arizona Sen. Jeff Flake early next year, media interviews of former Maricopa County Sheriff Joseph M. Arpaio and accompanying print articles invariably stress that “Obama was born in Hawaii” as a result of Arpaio’s five-year investigation into Obama’s “long-form” birth certificate posted on the White House website on April 27, 2011.

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Penalties for forgery of a government document vary widely. While some instances of forgery are misdemeanors, others are felonies.

The forgery of a U.S. passport brings with it a sentence of 10-15 years in prison if terrorism or drug trafficking are not involved.

The crime of “uttering a forged instrument” involves proffering the forgery as genuine with the knowledge that it is not, according to U.S. Legal. The actual creation of the forgery can be considered a separate crime, as it is in the state of New Jersey.

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“The good news is we know he [Obama] was [born in the U.S.],” CNN’s Chris Cuomo had told Arpaio during the interview.

On Wednesday, reporting on the Cuomo interview, Arizona’s ABC15’s closing statement was that “Obama was born in Hawaii.”

On Thursday, Circa.com reported that “the notion that Obama has a fake birth certificate and was born outside the U.S. has been widely debunked by media reports,” citing no such reports or the Arpaio/Zullo investigation.

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A congressional resolution dated July 27, 2009 states, without proof, that “Obama was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961.” The measure was sponsored by former U.S. Congressman and former Hawaii Gov. Neil Abercrombie, who Zullo has identified as being a key player in promoting the narrative connecting Obama to the Aloha State by birth.

“They had to manufacture a long-form,” Zullo told The Post & Email in an interview last month.

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Arpaio has stressed in virtually every media interview in which he has appeared that he “doesn’t care” where Obama was born because the investigation focused on “a phony document.”


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Post by Orlylicious » Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:14 am

Now she's saying that it's just the electronic document posted but not the underlying information? Moving the goalposts, Rharon? :lol:


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Does she realize it could be on a cocktail napkin as long as it's authenticatable? Too funny.


Perhaps, like the iguanas in Florida, when it gets below 40 degrees Rharon's brain and vitals shut down. But she'll be back when it's warm.
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Post by bob » Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:56 am

P&E: Media Cant — or Won’t — Report Accurately on Obama Birth Certificate Forgery:
WHATEVER HAPPENED TO FACT-CHECKING?

An article published on Thursday by The Daily Caller misreports that former Maricopa County Sheriff Joseph M. Arpaio accused Barack Hussein Obama of creating a forgery of his own long-form birth certificate.

Arpaio has never made such a claim.

After Arpaio announced on Tuesday that he would seek the U.S. Senate seat currently occupied by the retiring Jeff Flake, mainstream media outlets requested interviews of the former six-term sheriff of the fourth-largest county in the United States.

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While Zullo stated early in the investigation that he believed he had identified the individual(s) who had committed the forgery, neither he nor Arpaio ever stated that it was Obama himself.

As with many other mainstream outlets, The DC article describes Obama as “Hawaiian-born” utilizing the common media technique of focusing on Obama’s purported birthplace rather than the document forgery posted on an official government website.

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The fourth paragraph of The DC article inaccurately states that Arpaio was given a pardon by Trump “after he was imprisoned.” Although convicted by U.S. District Court Judge Susan R. Bolton on July 31, 2017 of misdemeanor criminal contempt of court arising from a civil suit, Arpaio was never imprisoned. He faced the possibility of up to six months in jail, but a sentencing hearing for October 4, 2017 was vacated after Trump issued the pardon on August 25.
The only thing dumber than saying Obama forged his birth certificate to prove his Hawaiian birth is saying an unspecified person forged a digital image for unfathomable reasons.


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Post by Sterngard Friegen » Fri Jan 12, 2018 12:36 pm

How does Rondeau deal with Hawaii’s certifications of the legitimacy of President Obama’s birth certificate?



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Sterngard Friegen wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2018 12:36 pm
How does Rondeau deal with Hawaii’s certifications if the legitimacy of President Obama’s birth certificate?
1. If Zullo said, that settles it!
2. Bane any questioning of Zullo, his "facts," or his "analysis."


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Post by Suranis » Fri Jan 12, 2018 12:44 pm

Ah but what they say is that it confirms to whats in their records. so when the paper records were hacked by the Impossible Mission Force they changed the records. Just like they changed the Newspaper. And the name of the hospital on every long form that has come to light. AND RONDY IS THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN SEE IT!


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Post by Sterngard Friegen » Fri Jan 12, 2018 12:49 pm

bob wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2018 12:42 pm
Sterngard Friegen wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2018 12:36 pm
How does Rondeau deal with Hawaii’s certifications if the legitimacy of President Obama’s birth certificate?
1. If Zullo said, that settles it!
2. Bane any questioning of Zullo, his "facts," or his "analysis."
So when will I be seeing the inside of a courtroom on this?



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Sterngard Friegen wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2018 12:49 pm
So when will I be seeing the inside of a courtroom on this?
Once Trussell clears his bizzy schedule and indicts you, of course.


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Giving up? Warming up!: P&E: Reporters Miss Point of Birth Certificate Probe:
PURPOSELY OR NOT?

A January 11, 2018 article published in the International Business Times (IBT) erroneously reports that former Maricopa County, AZ Sheriff Joseph Arpaio “said he had proof that Obama was not born in Hawaii, as stated by the former president’s birth certificate.”

However, Arpaio’s 5+-year investigation, which he assigned to his “Cold Case Posse” in August 2011, never centered on Barack Hussein Obama’s birthplace, as Arpaio has himself said. Rather, it found that the long-form birth certificate image posted at whitehouse.gov in April 2011 is a “computer-generated forgery.”

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Without explaining that Arpaio had commissioned an investigation into the birth certificate image, IBT wrote, “Arpaio seems to be latching onto the conspiracy that propelled President Donald Trump into national politics in 2011 a day after he announced he was running for the Senate seat currently occupied by Sen. Jeff Flake, who is retiring from Congress at the end of his term.”


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“In an interview with CNN on Wednesday, Arpaio, who recently announced his [sic][*] running for a Senate seat in Arizona, said he had proof that Obama was not born in Hawaii, as stated by the former president’s birth certificate,” IBT reported of the exchange between host Chris Cuomo and the former Maricopa County, AZ lawman.

A flurry of mainstream news reports has resulted from Arpaio’s Tuesday announcement that he is running for the U.S. Senate to replace the retiring junior senator from Arizona, Jeff Flake. Most of the reportage has inaccurately quoted Arpaio about the birth certificate probe, which was carried out by former New Jersey detective Mike Zullo as lead investigator of Arpaio’s “Cold Case Posse.”

When Cuomo raised Arpaio’s alleged “birtherism,” Arpaio responded that the investigation gathered “evidence” showing that the long-form birth certificate is fraudulent. Cuomo then argued that “either the man was born in this country or he wasn’t. Fortunately, we know the answer,” an apparent dodge of the question of who, and why, a fraudulent image was presented to the American people instead of a scan of a genuine birth certificate of a then-sitting president.

Arpaio has stated repeatedly that he does not “care where he’s [Obama] from.” On Wednesday, he told Cuomo, “No doubt about it, we have the evidence, I’m not going to go into all the details, yeah, it’s a phony document.”

“A huge proponent of Trump’s immigration policies, Arpaio now appears to be taking up the cause to unmask the conspiracy of Obama’s birth’ while he embarks on a campaign for the Arizona Senate seat,” IBT additionally falsely reported.

Since Tuesday, The Post & Email has pointed out significant media inaccuracies, misleading statements and reporters’ stubborn insistence that Obama was “born in Hawaii” while ostensibly covering Arpaio’s nascent campaign and his characterization of the birth certificate investigation.
Rondeau's :yankyank: is newsworthy.


* I have no idea why Rondeau inserted a "[sic]": a possessive proceeding a gerund is grammatically correct.


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She probably thought it should have been "he's running".


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A flurry of mainstream news reports has resulted from Arpaio’s Tuesday announcement
So Rharon has lost her yuge "this doesn't get mainstream news coverage" meme, right? 8-)


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Post by Sterngard Friegen » Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:32 pm

Reality Check wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:56 pm
She probably thought it should have been "he's running".
Exactly. She's pretty much illiterate unless it is written in the passive voice.



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Orlylicious wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:30 pm
A flurry of mainstream news reports has resulted from Arpaio’s Tuesday announcement
So Rharon has lost her yuge "this doesn't get mainstream news coverage" meme, right?
I'm sure she'll return to it once her knickers are untwisted.

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She's pretty much illiterate unless even -- especially -- if it is written in the passive voice.
FIFY.


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Chilidog wrote:
Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:28 pm
Hey look who's out

https://disqus.com/home/discussion/thed ... 3703749502
Hey, that was fun! It’s been so long since I’ve played on a Birthers thread. But — what a morass of deplorables
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Post by bob » Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:57 pm

Whatever4 wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:29 pm
Hey, that was fun! It’s been so long since I’ve played on a Birthers thread. But — what a morass of deplorables.
Givemeliberty also appeared!

"For research," I started poking various commenters, to gauge their reactions. Pointless comments-section wars being what they are, the commenters just state beliefs as facts, i.e., "Obama's birth certificate is a fraud." When pressed for evidence, it devolve to insults and bans.

To state the obvious: no one has open mind. But it was kind of interesting to see how the birther memes evolve. For example, did you know that Tim Adams was the head of Hawaii's records, and is now a professor?


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